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Walk-Ons... MAKE IT STOP!

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According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
 
According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
I think there’s arguments to be made all around, but see the RB room right now (or WR at times in recent history) decimated with injury. Minus a solid group of walk-ons the team isn’t even practicing.

I don’t know how everything is managed, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the walk-ons are getting in the way of much. NCAA also caps numbers during certain times of year I think as far as official participation.
Without knowing exactly which walk-ons may emerge, throw more at the wall and see what sticks.
 
who do you think is the "best" walk-on?

Henery? Tomich? Mackovicka? Shanle? Nelson? Redwine?
 
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who do you think is the "best" walk-on?

Henery? Tomich? Mackovicka? Shanle? Nelson? Redwine?

Time for another Top 10 list!! Winking

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Yeah, I'm not gonna jump off a cliff about it, but I think our roster is too big. It's only my opinion, but I think to manage a roster this huge effectively your staff has to be 100% on point and organized. Maybe they're getting there but we haven't seen it yet.
 
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I don’t have any problem with large roster as long as we can develop it.
According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
 
I wonder how many reps they take away from the guys who are actually going to play
I have said this repeatedly. You can only have so many coaches on the field. Divide the players and reps however you want. Do you want a lot of players to get fewer reps or fewer players to get more reps? Can you imagine walking in and seeing that many guys, in shear numbers, ahead of you? I just don't think it does justice to all players, walk-on or scholarship. JMHO
 
Neb has the highest ratio of players per coach of any power 5 school

something I’d be quite concerned about if I were offered a scholarship - am I going to get the same 1:1 or small group teaching and development at Neb as other schools with a third less players competing for reps/drills or individual coaching
 
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who do you think is the "best" walk-on?

Henery? Tomich? Mackovicka? Shanle? Nelson? Redwine?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Tomich was prop 48, not a walk on. Edit:. Google is my friend. Prop 48 and walk on.
 
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I suspect this time next week we will hear of a number of walkons as well as lower level reserves have entered the transfer portal. MSU had 6 players enter the portal on the 26th, 2 days after their spring game. The roster numbers will come down, hang on.
GBR!
 
According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
This does make me chuckle a bit... you are assuming 3 or 4 scholarship transfers but no walk on transfers. You are also assuming no scholarship transfers in from other schools. I guess if it helps you make you point that we have more walk ins than scholarship players, why not present it in the way that beat makes your point.

On the other hand, you could just as easily have gone with current numbers and made the same point without having to fudge numbers. And you would be right. We do have a ton of walk ons, more than we need.

For future reference, no need to unnecessarily inflate the numbers to make your argument. Either wait for the transfers to hit, or use the current numbers on the roster.
 
I wouldn’t run a program with that many players. I also wouldn’t take an approach where a kid like Matt O’Hanlon is schlepping with a bunch of guys from Shramm Hall in a tryout.
 
Lots of good ones:
I.M. Hipp
Jarvis Redwine
Jeff Mackovicka
Jared Tomich
Jimmy Williams
John Parella
Toby Williams
Clete Pillen
Barron Miles
Alex Henery
Kyle Larson
Wow, never knew Redwine was a walk on. These guys all from yester year, except the kickers, and kickers are usually walkons across the country.

I would hope we have some non official coaches running the practices for the walkons seperately, and weed them out to identify which ones could potentially make it. For the official staff coaches to do this is insane and can explain why this staff underperforms.
 
According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
I'm curious to know what the rational is for having such a big roster. You're going to get a handful of guys that will break through, but is it worth the overall bloat? It seems that there are more downsides to having so many players on the team versus having a more selective number. If 166 is good, why not shoot for 200? Surely they know who has a legitimate shot of being on the team. If you're the fourth stringer and a walk-on, you are practice squad chum. That's a high price to pay.
 
Covid is why its so high.
We will always have a lot of walkons.
Look up TO's thoughts on walkons.
Disagree with TO if you must.
 
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I'm curious to know what the rational is for having such a big roster. You're going to get a handful of guys that will break through, but is it worth the overall bloat? It seems that there are more downsides to having so many players on the team versus having a more selective number. If 166 is good, why not shoot for 200? Surely they know who has a legitimate shot of being on the team. If you're the fourth stringer and a walk-on, you are practice squad chum. That's a high price to pay.
Here’s my thought. I suspect you need approximately 50 players for the scout team and in this time of the transfer portal it’s highly unlikely a true freshman or redshirt freshman or sophomore, on scholarship, is part of that group. So after a year or two a lot of these guys move on, thus the need to replenish. The % of this group that ever see game action let alone meaningful snaps is ridiculously small. They walkon to stay part of the game at the highest level with the slight chance that their friends/family might see them in action on the field in Memorial Stadium.
GBR!
 
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Covid is why its so high.
We will always have a lot of walkons.
Look up TO's thoughts on walkons.
Disagree with TO if you must.
That was when he was allowed to have a different set of coaches overseeing the Freshman team and the walkons. Now it's a drain on the staff to focus and be efficient and effective during limited practice time.
 
This does make me chuckle a bit... you are assuming 3 or 4 scholarship transfers but no walk on transfers. You are also assuming no scholarship transfers in from other schools. I guess if it helps you make you point that we have more walk ins than scholarship players, why not present it in the way that beat makes your point.

On the other hand, you could just as easily have gone with current numbers and made the same point without having to fudge numbers. And you would be right. We do have a ton of walk ons, more than we need.

For future reference, no need to unnecessarily inflate the numbers to make your argument. Either wait for the transfers to hit, or use the current numbers on the roster.
Or for future reference you can go to huskers.com and count the players on the roster your own damn self. 166 isn't an inflated figure.
 
According to huskers.com, the football team currently shows 166 players. If you subtract the 80 or so scholarship guys [wait for more transfers after the spring game] it leaves roughly 86 walk-ons. What in the holy living hell is going on? Is that number accurate? 86? Seriously? Can someone explain to me how having more walk-ons than scholarship players helps a football team?
So I guess you're advocating for many transfers out?
 
Neb has the highest ratio of players per coach of any power 5 school

something I’d be quite concerned about if I were offered a scholarship - am I going to get the same 1:1 or small group teaching and development at Neb as other schools with a third of the players competing for reps/drills or individual coaching

This is dumb.

If you don't think the front line, 3-deep, is NOT getting the bulk of the reps and attention from the coaches, then I have some Alpine Property to sell you in Iowa.
 
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I have said this repeatedly. You can only have so many coaches on the field. Divide the players and reps however you want. Do you want a lot of players to get fewer reps or fewer players to get more reps? Can you imagine walking in and seeing that many guys, in shear numbers, ahead of you? I just don't think it does justice to all players, walk-on or scholarship. JMHO
How did they do this in the past? Was there more “assistant coaches” because this is not the first time Nebraska has had this many football players on the team to go through spring and summer training. Before title IX back in the 80’s and 90’s we had many, many more, right, or am I wrong?
 
How did they do this in the past? Was there more “assistant coaches” because this is not the first time Nebraska has had this many football players on the team to go through spring and summer training. Before title IX back in the 80’s and 90’s we had many, many more, right, or am I wrong?
I wonder why it quoted me as saying that when it wasn't?
 
How did they do this in the past? Was there more “assistant coaches” because this is not the first time Nebraska has had this many football players on the team to go through spring and summer training. Before title IX back in the 80’s and 90’s we had many, many more, right, or am I wrong?
Yes, way more assistant coaches, they even had a bunch of recruiters doing nothing but recruiting.
 
Or for future reference you can go to huskers.com and count the players on the roster your own damn self. 166 isn't an inflated figure.
You are claiming that scholarship players are “80 or so.” Is it 80? Or 82? 83? You claim 80 or so. You also claim some will be transferring to get us down to what... 78? 76? But you make no mention of any walk ons that will transfer. I think the current scholarship number is 83, not “80 or so.” Even with transfers out, we will almost surely be getting a few transfers in. Our scholarship numbers will be pretty close to 85, if not exactly 85. Don’t be mad at me for your waffling on the numbers.

Your argument is there are more walk ons than scholarship players. Fine. Make that your argument. But to make up in your mind that we only have 80 or so (with transfers out after spring, leaving us below the 80 mark) is disingenuous.

Let your argument be “we have too many walk ons.” That’s a solid argument in and of itself.
 
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you just went back 30+ years with those 9 guys. I don't want 86 walk-ons limiting how much time a coach spends with the 2 deep.
I have a friend who has finished the second year as a walk-on. He says they don't get much coaching. How can they? Frost wants to limit practice time and hold in the morning. TO worked with the walkons. Old Charlie told a story about working with the lower units and they were not getting it done correctly. TO kept making them for it over and over. Charlie said coach the only people you are punishing is the coaching staff. TO told Charlie that was part of the job.
 
This is dumb.

If you don't think the front line, 3-deep, is NOT getting the bulk of the reps and attention from the coaches, then I have some Alpine Property to sell you in Iowa.
What is dumb is that IF the 3 deep is getting the bulk of the reps, (approx 70 players). Why do you need 96 players to split the rest? Couldn't you get it down to say 140 or better yet, 120 and split the leftover reps between 50 and not 96?
 
What is dumb is that IF the 3 deep is getting the bulk of the reps, (approx 70 players). Why do you need 96 players to split the rest? Couldn't you get it down to say 140 or better yet, 120 and split the leftover reps between 50 and not 96?

Stop @ing me.
 
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