Vaccine Progress

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  1. HuskerBlueDevil

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    Not entirely true. In 1905 the US Supreme Court decided Jacobson v Massachusetts, which found that the states have the Constitutional right to establish compulsory vaccination laws in times of health emergencies. In Jacobson, the respondent challenged a law that required everyone in a community or county where there was a smallpox outbreak to be vaccinated. The SCt held that the states' powers to protect public health outweigh the individual right to refuse vaccination. Jacobson has not been significantly challenged and remains good law to this date. So it seems likely that if a state mandated that everyone in the state, or at least everyone in a covid hotspot, be vaccinated, there would be no real legal recourse.
     
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    Well maybe they're lying, I don't know, but more than one vaccine candidate claims they will have a substantial number of doses ready before the end of the year. Might have to throw them all away if the vaccine bombs but they say they'll be ready to go if it works.

    In part, I think it also depends on the situation toward the end of the year. Should the virus be really raging at the time, I could see pressure for emergency approval of vaccine for those who want it on a voluntary basis. After all they're already vaccinating actual people for the trials. This Coronavirus situation is unprecedented in our lifetime. Never has the global economy been shut down like this before so I don't think the recent historical situations necessarily apply.
     
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    Some companies are already starting to mass produce now just in case it works out, they can hit the ground running. Normally you don’t do that because of the financial risk. But part of operation Warp Speed is that the US government would cover a good chunk of those losses.
     
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  4. dinglefritz

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    exactly correct. One company alone will supposedly have over 100 million doses ready early in January. The logistics of distribution and administration could be interesting to say the least.
     
  5. dinglefritz

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    We're in a situation where you use the first to market NOW and worry about using something better IF it comes along. Make no mistake, multinational Merck is more worried about their bottom line than American citizens. I don't believe his statements are altruistic.

    Generally speaking if you're trying to make a vaccine such that you can give one dose for initial immunization, you're using stronger adjuvants to do that. That's not necessarily a good thing and can lead to more unfavorable reactions. Personally, I would feel pretty comfortable with a subunit Corona virus vaccine protecting me with just one dose.
     
  6. jlb321

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    When it is private enterprise driving this process there are no incentives - in fact there are disincentives - for different teams to collaborate by sharing advances and setbacks with the goal of getting things right in the quickest amount of time.
     
  7. dinglefritz

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    The likelihood of a vaccinated person becoming infected, not becoming ill, then being able to shed virus to others is extremely low. So far the vaccine trials look very good with 100% of the trial subjects producing blocking antibodies. It's much harder to measure cell mediated immunity (T cells). Now as with any vaccine that may not be enough to completely protect you months later from an overwhelming exposure or IF you're for some reason immunosuppressed at the time of your exposure. No vaccine is 100%. A vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent you from getting infected. It's supposed to help prevent you from becoming viremic.
     
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    On the other hand group think might end up meaning nobody arrives at the correct conclusion.
     
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  9. Nebraska_Reality

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    You should yell your kook neighbors that if they're so concerned, they should also dump their cell phones, end all of their social media accounts, and pay cash for everything.
     
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  10. Nebraska_Reality

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    So you've never taken a vaccine?
     
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    i feel bad for quasi-outing them...its unappealing.
     
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    they've already reported small number of hyper immune responses with the moderna v
    what does multinational have to do with anything? every drug company is multinational. why would you accept the statements from any drug company if you dont accept the statements from Merck? you can think whatever you want about which vaccine strategy is the best for efficacy and safety but you will not know until all the studies are done. maybe the first one will work fantastic with little or no side effects. that would be great. but a vaccine with that technology has never been approved. doesn't mean it won't work. but it does mean we know less about it.
     
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    not in 12 years.
     
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    You didn't....I don't know where you live, or what their names are. You're good...
     
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    So, you have had vaccines that not only worked (just more than 12 years ago), and from which you had no adverse reactions then, correct?
     
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    96 jlb321, Jul 15, 2020
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    no. I've tracked my vaccination dates and they all coincide with adverse reactions shortly thereafter. I didn't realize that until the last one I got as an adult.
     
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    What if the Thought Police monitor your Telescreen and decide you need to be re-educated?
     
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    If it's "safe" and such a coveted vaccine, you would think Moderna's CEO and other executives would stop dumping shares of their company at such a prodigious rate. With the vaccine industry being so lucrative and all.
     
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    fast food/soda is worse than smoking these days
     
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    Ha, China already is first IF you count them vaccinating their military with their first vaccine candidate as they have claimed. NOT saying how good it is or if they're even telling the truth but they claimed their tests were good enough to deploy in to military personnel.
     
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    The idea that some are advocating for more lockdowns after the absolute catastrophe they were is unconscionable.

    You're willing to trade lives that lockdowns kill - kill those who would otherwise live, and then act like you're some morally superior elite. Disgusting.

    The answer has always been protect the elderly and ill and let the rest of America go about their lives. Anything else is nefariously authoritarian and un-American.
     
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    C'mon! You didn't have a bad reaction to those previous vaccines or the last one you took either. All just a coincidence as are the hundreds of thousands of other people who have reported such reactions. Regardless, take one for the team. Yes, you may have adverse effects such as the ones that are printed on the warning labels of vaccines (including death) but that's no reason not to get with the program! Quit being so selfish.

    On that topic, vaccine immunity usually lasts 10 years at best. Some much shorter than that. Therefore those of you who are part of the 95% of the adult population who have not gotten their measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, et. al. vaccines since you were a kid need to get your selfish butts into your doctor and get re-immunized! The drug comp.....I mean your fellow citizens will love you for it!
     
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    Dude has been dumping for a while now. There is no vaccine. Anything you stick yourself with in the next 12 months is pure foolishness.
     
  27. bingo65

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    the economy is trashed either way bro. the lockdowns did not do the damage. the virus did the damage. people's purchasing habits would be the same either way. the virus as it is now will wreak havoc on the economy whether or not we are in lockdown. you are very ill informed if you think everything would just go back to where it was if we would just want to. the virus is the problem. not our reaction. until it goes away the economy will suffer. neither parties response would have saved the economy
    and you called the lockdowns a catastrophe without knowing what kind of catastrophe not locking down would have been. it might have been MUCH worse. so quit with your omnipotent attitude. you know nothing because its never happened before. no one could have known the right answer and no one knows the right answer now either.
     
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    what were your adverse reactions? were they worse than getting an infectious disease several times? maybe a little side effect in the short term is well worth protection from something much more significant long term
     
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    So close. The virus didn't do the damage, over-leveraging and derivatives did the damage. The virus just pushed everything off of the tightrope. It could have been a nuclear bomb in Manhattan or another terrorist attack, but the outcome was inevitable.
     
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    i disagree. over leverage/derivatives you can come up with whatever you didn't like or come up with nothing at all and the virus would have wrecked the economy with or without those factors. and it will continue to do so until it is gone
     
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    Sweden called, they say hi. Herd immunity works. Without lockdowns.
     
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    I'd say you're both wrong. It was the panic and fear. Videos of a scary virus from China with hospitals full of people. A pandemic that comes with it's own slogans, how calming while the NY Governor screams for ventilators he doesn't need on TV every day.
     
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    This may surprise you, but places that are open are doing fine economically. You should get out more and see it for yourself.
     
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    Damage to the economy is way overstated... checked the Dow today and it looks solid... saying the economy is trashed is just fear mongering... crafted to fit a political narrative...
     
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    I saw people eating at a Chick-fil-A today which means the economy has no problems...
     
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    The spicy chicken sandwich is soooo good.
     
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    I believe you lose the antibodies relatively quick, but the T-cells remember the sickness and send them out when it recognizes similar or same virus. That is why a ton of people have little or no symptoms. They have been exposed and sick with many other Covid/SARS virus over the years. The T-cells remember and adjust accordingly. It just makes more antibodies to go kill this new guy. Thats how I understand it. I ain't a doctor so I am probably way off.
     
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    I was bed bound for a year with inflammation ravaging my entire body. Joints the size of cantaloupes, muscle pain, raynaud's, fatigue, anxiety, depression, skin issues, nightmares, digestive issues.

    Fun stuff. I had to drop out of my college program, couldn't work and every day was hell.

    I'll take my chances with Covid.
     
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    Do you think a vaccine would matter?

    Tweet!
     
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