Tucker Carlson, the Daily Beast, and deaths from the COVID vaccine.

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.
 

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.
He's just doing what Rush Limpdick taught him, spout propaganda and bullshit your listeners love and fvck anything that resembles the truth.
 

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.
Also great post, did you switch to trolling the conservatives now?
 

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.
I second this post!

My only addition is that our problem with the media is that it's all about making money off of outrage, these days. Really, the death of print media can probably be mostly attributed to Craigslist. Newspapers used to make money off of classified ad revenue. Now, to make money, they need to get clicks. And to get clicks, they need to be sensational. Kind of the old local TV news axiom, "If it bleeds, it leads." The best way to get clicks is outrage. So, much, but not all, of the media is all about outrage.

I suggest looking for media sources that get most of their revenue from subscriptions and donations. They are not as prone to promoting outrage for clicks.
 

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Congrats to rgrachek on his best post in 17 years. If there is a way to add an in-thread poll that I don't know of, someone please start a poll about how many people saw this thread and came here to argue, but then didn't have much to argue about.
I second this post!

My only addition is that our problem with the media is that it's all about making money off of outrage, these days. Really, the death of print media can probably be mostly attributed to Craigslist. Newspapers used to make money off of classified ad revenue. Now, to make money, they need to get clicks. And to get clicks, they need to be sensational. Kind of the old local TV news axiom, "If it bleeds, it leads." The best way to get clicks is outrage. So, much, but not all, of the media is all about outrage.

I suggest looking for media sources that get most of their revenue from subscriptions and donations. They are not as prone to promoting outrage for clicks.

This isn't really a response to your post, but rather an extrapolation from yours and @rgrachek's.

Somehow, my eastern south dakota town of 25k still has a weekly classified ad business that just celebrated their 50th anniversary. They don't do articles, only classifieds (Town and Country Shopper.) Weirdly, the 4K population town 30 minutes south has the same thing, all while craigslist is very popular and well-known here. I think my thesis is that advertising is what sells and brings revenue, just like @stevehammer opined.

Another issue that OP's beautiful (not sarcasm, I enjoyed and agreed) post missed is the size of the audience between Tucker and Daily Beast, as well as the way their audiences find their content. Tucker and Hannity have a nightly audience in the millions (I'm not researching the actual numbers, tbh), while the daily beast has a subscriber base that is at least an order of magnitude smaller. The beast gets a few more non-subscriber eyes from news aggregators, but so does Fox with Tuck/Han.

I have more thoughts, but I'll end it here and let all of the open scrolls geniuses parse it all down to something that makes me stupider for having read it.
 
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And please let us know who you think is a truthful broadcaster or newspaperman.

Definitely not the guy who Fox’s lawyers argued in courts that “The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " (Judges comments).
 

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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.

Great post. The only difference I see between the two is that a lot of people follow/watch Tucker. I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know anyone who religiously reads the Daily Beast every night for an hour. But I know 6 or 7 people in my immediate family who watch Tucker every night, no matter what.
 
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This is pure evidence that the far left and the far right are just at this point putting on a propaganda blitz for the low information masses who already have a predisposition to a certain world view. How freaking Orwellian can you get? And it's coming from both sides.

While I like how Carlson frames and waxes poetic with the hypocrisy of the left, he's completely full of shit regarding the vaccine and the dangers of taking the vaccine. He went on last night about the reporting system's accuracy and how over 3,000 people who have taken the vaccine have died. It's a compete bullshit analysis.

Over 160 million people have taken the vaccine (at least one dose) in the USA. That's 1/2 of the population. During this time, over 1 million people have died in the USA (about 1 million every 4 months). Since 50% of the people in the USA have taken the vaccine and 1 million have died, it stands to reason that at LEAST 1/2 of the people who died in the last 4 months got the shot. If you adjust up for the fact that the vaccine was pushed on the older generation initially, and then adjust down for the fact that they all didn't get the vaccine at once (i.e. some got it 4 months ago and some got it yesterday), it's probably not 3,500, but more like 500,000 people have died who have been vaccinated. No information regarding causation, just raw numbers. Where is this mystical around 3,500 number coming from? Did they die of the vaccine? Did they die of other causes after taking the vaccine. No info on that from Carlson or his guest, who essentially said that the database used is bullshit.

Then on the other side, the Daily Beast wrote a slam piece where they basically repeated everything Carlson said last night with basically each Carlson quote stated after words like baseless, unfounded, bla bla bla... The problem is that they were so busy bashing Carlson, they never get around to stating any scientific data or logic that proves him wrong! Just, a bunch of stuff about him fueling vaccine hesitancy and the like. At least if you're going to bash something, you should probably be astute enough to have a reason why you're doing it.

The fact is that there is no evidence that the vaccine has caused an abnormal amount of adverse reactions to this point and the vaccine is being observed and analyzed probably more than any vaccine in history. They freaking took the J&J vaccine out of circulation for a while when it was reported that a 1 in a million people had gotten blood clots, and there's still no evidence that the vaccine had anything to do with that.

Here in lies the overall problem with the media. The media is operated on all sides by shameless self promoters who are frankly too low IQ to even attempt to understand the issues that they're reporting on (how many times when you were in college did anyone say outloud that the teaching and journalism majors were the smartest kids on campus?). They just have a point of view that they're trying to promote (kind of like a poor man's lawyer), but they can't think for themselves as to why what they're saying is true or not true. They just pick up on pieces of information that sounds good to them and then build it into the narrative that they want to weave. Carlson and the Beast are no different and it's damaging to the Country and to our sensibilities.
They are far worse. What examples from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, BBC do you have of them telling out right lies to sway their audience to the extent of Fox, Beast, Newsmax, ONN.... etc.....?

Just read this morning that one of the insurrectionist and his lawyer are using the word "Foxism" to explain for his lapse in judgment, blaming the new schannel for swaying his way of thinking.

By the way good write up and I agree with all of it. Just pointing out how bad the far right has gotten. Tucker is trying to become the next Rush and he doesn't care who he runs over to get there.
 

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He's just doing what Rush Limpdick taught him, spout propaganda and bullshit your listeners love and fvck anything that resembles the truth.
Hey dude. I have to tell you... After we had a brief back and forth over public schools and education...That same day I had a kid transfer into my class from Iowa. Woh. Not good. Great kid and plenty smart, but way, way, way behind us.

just an fyi.
 
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Definitely not the guy who Fox’s lawyers argued in courts that “The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " (Judges comments).
Come on and do better as you communist say your side is honest so lets here some of those honest people a guy should follow.
 

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Come on and do better as you communist say your side is honest so lets here some of those honest people a guy should follow.
Personally I think that most of the nite time tv news hosts are terrible. It is all about telling the viewer how to feel, not just giving the viewer the news. I stick to places like AP, BBC, NPR news (not opinion), etc which tend to just give the news and not an opinion with it. Hell even Fox News and CNN have some of those from time to time.

That isn’t to say that I don’t ever read opinion pieces. I will read some from both sides, just to see where they are coming from, especially if it is something I am on the fence with.
 
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Personally I think that most of the nite time tv news hosts are terrible. It is all about telling the viewer how to feel, not just giving the viewer the news. I stick to places like AP, BBC, NPR news (not opinion), etc which tend to just give the news and not an opinion with it. Hell even Fox News and CNN have some of those from time to time.

That isn’t to say that I don’t ever read opinion pieces. I will read some from both sides, just to see where they are coming from, especially if it is something I am on the fence with.
I will agree with you on one and it is sad as we get more honest news coming from across the pond with the BBC then we do with American news organizations.
 

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I will agree with you on one and it is sad as we get more honest news coming from across the pond with the BBC then we do with American news organizations.

No argument from me there.
 

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Definitely not the guy who Fox’s lawyers argued in courts that “The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " (Judges comments).
How about Lester Holts' admission? Convenient memory lapse?
 
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They are far worse. What examples from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, BBC do you have of them telling out right lies to sway their audience to the extent of Fox, Beast, Newsmax, ONN.... etc.....?

Just read this morning that one of the insurrectionist and his lawyer are using the word "Foxism" to explain for his lapse in judgment, blaming the new schannel for swaying his way of thinking.

By the way good write up and I agree with all of it. Just pointing out how bad the far right has gotten. Tucker is trying to become the next Rush and he doesn't care who he runs over to get there.
Good God man, I could find literally hundreds of examples of outright lies told by the networks and CNN. For God's sake, CNN? The network that puts Brennan and Clapper on the air?

The other networks are as bad or worse and you know it.
 

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Hey dude. I have to tell you... After we had a brief back and forth over public schools and education...That same day I had a kid transfer into my class from Iowa. Woh. Not good. Great kid and plenty smart, but way, way, way behind us.

just an fyi.
Yeah it's really "dumbed down" out here. My kid scored a 7th grade level on standardized tests in 3rd grade. All the while he thought anything time 1 = 1 🤣
 
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Great post. The only difference I see between the two is that a lot of people follow/watch Tucker. I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know anyone who religiously reads the Daily Beast every night for an hour. But I know 6 or 7 people in my immediate family who watch Tucker every night, no matter what.
This a representation of the problem though. I am very critical of what TC says about the vaccine, but many here want to extrapolate that into the predictable and tired argument that EVERYTHING these people say is a lie and nefarious. It's not, just like EVERYTHING in the Daily Beast is not inaccurate and a lie.

It seems like in this day and age, that most people avoid actual criticism of the content and immediately go to the blanket character assassination without ever dealing with specifics. That's lazy and worse, it's just wrong. These issues should be dealt with on their merits. We're lost when we just discount things based solely on who says them.
 

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Definitely not the guy who Fox’s lawyers argued in courts that “The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " (Judges comments).
This is what I think most Fox News viewers don't understand. They may not agree with the opinions of Rachel Maddow or Don Lemon. But Rachel Maddow and Don Lemon are not lying and exaggerating (like Tucker) to make a point.

In other words, there would be no need for Maddow or Lemon's attorney to make the same argument Tucker's lawyer had to make. It's also the same reason companies are not suing Lemon or Maddow, causing their lawyers to have to make the silly arguments Tucker's lawyer embarrassingly had to make.
 
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They are far worse. What examples from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, BBC do you have of them telling out right lies to sway their audience to the extent of Fox, Beast, Newsmax, ONN.... etc.....?

Just read this morning that one of the insurrectionist and his lawyer are using the word "Foxism" to explain for his lapse in judgment, blaming the new schannel for swaying his way of thinking.

By the way good write up and I agree with all of it. Just pointing out how bad the far right has gotten. Tucker is trying to become the next Rush and he doesn't care who he runs over to get there.
I pretty much think of Fox News like I do the National Enquirer.

"Woman marries alien and has alien babies!"
 

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I pretty much think of Fox News like I do the National Enquirer.

"Woman marries alien and has alien babies!"
There you go again with your ridiculous troll attempt. You pointed out MSNBC and yet Mr. Lester Holt flatly admitted telling only one side of the story and also stated he was not interested in considering the other side. How on earth can any one, even you, only listen to one side of an argument/discussion and convince yourself that you're not lying???? If you don't know both sides how do you know the facts are true? Isn't that like hiding?
Is your last sentence a clue to your real lineage? That certainly explains your bizarre actions/thoughts.
 

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Is this thread about Lester Holt? Try to stay on task there buddy.
I'm not your buddy. Chances are I wouldn't even acknowledge knowing you. However, my point was that Mr Holt works for a Fake News outlet and he recently stated his lack of objectivity in his "News" broadcasts. Try to stay on track with reality. Buddy
 

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Good God man, I could find literally hundreds of examples of outright lies told by the networks and CNN. For God's sake, CNN? The network that puts Brennan and Clapper on the air?

The other networks are as bad or worse and you know it.
I put CNN (or maybe MSNBC) and Fox on par in opposite directions.

But OANN, Newsmax are on their own planet. Tucker himself does disconnect with truth a very high percentage of the time tho...intentionally.
 
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This a representation of the problem though. I am very critical of what TC says about the vaccine, but many here want to extrapolate that into the predictable and tired argument that EVERYTHING these people say is a lie and nefarious. It's not, just like EVERYTHING in the Daily Beast is not inaccurate and a lie.

It seems like in this day and age, that most people avoid actual criticism of the content and immediately go to the blanket character assassination without ever dealing with specifics. That's lazy and worse, it's just wrong. These issues should be dealt with on their merits. We're lost when we just discount things based solely on who says them.
You're probably right, but I think TC does enough lying/exaggerating that it's fair for reasonable people to consider most of what comes out of his mouth as BS. The problem is, most of his viewers don't see it like you do, and actually believe what he says. The 6 or 7 viewers in my family I referenced certainly take his word as gospel no matter how outlandish he is.

It doesn't really matter what is detractors think when there's a few million people who cling onto his every word.
 

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They are far worse. What examples from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, BBC do you have of them telling out right lies to sway their audience to the extent of Fox, Beast, Newsmax, ONN.... etc.....?

Just read this morning that one of the insurrectionist and his lawyer are using the word "Foxism" to explain for his lapse in judgment, blaming the new schannel for swaying his way of thinking.

By the way good write up and I agree with all of it. Just pointing out how bad the far right has gotten. Tucker is trying to become the next Rush and he doesn't care who he runs over to get there.
What examples of the Pravda telling outright lies are you kidding me, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA for 4 straight years. Covington kid, Kavanaugh hearings, Jussie SMOOLLETTE, Hands up Don't Shoot, I can go on and on for hours of the lies the drive by media spewed going back to the lies and cover ups during the Carter administration.
 

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What examples of the Pravda telling outright lies are you kidding me, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA for 4 straight years. Covington kid, Kavanaugh hearings, Jussie SMOOLLETTE, Hands up Don't Shoot, I can go on and on for hours of the lies the drive by media spewed going back to the lies and cover ups during the Carter administration.
Russia = Truth and I'll one up it with a heaping dose of Ukraine.
Kavanaugh? Who cares?
Hands up Dont Shoot? What the hell you talking about boy?
 

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Russia = Truth and I'll one up it with a heaping dose of Ukraine.
Kavanaugh? Who cares?
Hands up Dont Shoot? What the hell you talking about boy?
Russia = DNC/Killary/Deep State scheme that got blown out of the water
Ukraine = If you don't fire the prosecutor who is going after my crack head son who knocks up strippers we are withholding the billion dollars.
Kavanaugh = Demorat/Pravda LIES
Hands Up Dont Shoot = Soetoro stoking racial tensions in this country with his mouthpiece the drive by media.
Again do I need to keep going of the drive by media making up stories or covering up stories for their state masters the Demorat party and Deep State as I can go back and give you thousands of examples starting during the Carter Regime!!!!
 
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