Can’t help but put the losses this year on trev. Wish Mickey would have had fall camp in charge. No way we lose to northwestern, ga southern and maybe okla
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This has been addressed ad nauseum here before...
Trev has made some horrible decisions and I suspect he's not quite finished making even more horrible decisions. Can't wait.
Oh good, this thread again.
Yeah, you can help it. You just don't.
Yeah, you can help it. You just don't.
Look, I get that this issue has been beaten to death. But there is a reason for that: Anger. Scott Frost should have been fired last year. Period. Some on here say that Trev did not have the political clout to do that last year. They say he was leaned-on by important people to give Frost more time. I don't give a crap. Here is my advice to Trev: grow a pair. Assert your authority as AD and tell all of those "important people" that there is something more important than their perverse loyalty to a drunken legacy coach. And that something is the program as such and the long-suffering and loyal fans who deserved better. He should have fired Frost and then dared the asshats who were in the Frost corner to fire him for doing so.
Trev himself said last year that the solution he worked out with Frost is of a kind that "rarely works" which was his way of saying "see you again next year when I can finally fire this twerp." And if Trev's hands really were tied and he was ordered to do what he did, then have some integrity and quit and then go public with why. Because it is about time for the extreme dysfunction at the top levels of UNL administrative authority over the football program to be exposed and those administrators shown to be the incompetent pieces of crap that they are.
Since 1998 those "authorities" have taken the Rolls Royce of college football programs and turned it into a two-wheeled tricycle. Last year Trev had an opportunity to begin making real changes in the opposite direction. And he punted. And that gives me zero confidence that he is any different from any other self-interested, egocentric, millionaire administrator intent on preserving his own status as a power-broker. And that gives me even less confidence that he will pick the right coach.
The fans of this team need and deserve better. We are now 20 years into this misery. And if we hire Mickey Joseph or an overrated nothing burger like Campbell, then it will be several more years of misery.
Trev himself said last year that the solution he worked out with Frost is of a kind that "rarely works" which was his way of saying "see you again next year when I can finally fire this twerp." And if Trev's hands really were tied and he was ordered to do what he did, then have some integrity and quit and then go public with why. Because it is about time for the extreme dysfunction at the top levels of UNL administrative authority over the football program to be exposed and those administrators shown to be the incompetent pieces of crap that they are.
Since 1998 those "authorities" have taken the Rolls Royce of college football programs and turned it into a two-wheeled tricycle. Last year Trev had an opportunity to begin making real changes in the opposite direction. And he punted. And that gives me zero confidence that he is any different from any other self-interested, egocentric, millionaire administrator intent on preserving his own status as a power-broker. And that gives me even less confidence that he will pick the right coach.
The fans of this team need and deserve better. We are now 20 years into this misery. And if we hire Mickey Joseph or an overrated nothing burger like Campbell, then it will be several more years of misery.
Pennsy, Leipold has more of a chance than Cambell but for some reason I still think Rhule is the one..
The board of regents meet on zoom with TA, from what I heard so there had to be some kind of interaction who was being hired.. If TA mind is set on Mickey why wouldn’t have he already made that be know…This is why it isn’t him..
We don’t know who has been contacted and which people tuned the job down too..
The board of regents meet on zoom with TA, from what I heard so there had to be some kind of interaction who was being hired.. If TA mind is set on Mickey why wouldn’t have he already made that be know…This is why it isn’t him..
We don’t know who has been contacted and which people tuned the job down too..
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I hear what you are saying Pennsy but my question in all of this has been who really is interested and wants the job? I am not convinced it is a long list or one that would dazzle most Husker fans.
People can throw out names all day and find something wrong with every one of them. Do any of them really want to come here? Evidence, not emotion. Nebraska is a unique place, lots of support, great people but very few football players. Everyone will say it can be overcome but we know two coaches were able to do that and they were uniquely special with TO being the connection. After that it has been a roller coaster of hire and fire. Why? Are all the upper management people that incompetent? I question it but the results speak for themselves. Then throw in Frost was the feelgood story, going to get us back and most bought into it. I can see why he was given a longer leash and Trev coming in had some serious hands tied dilemma.
So the question now is who? Names of people who can get it done and will stay.
People can throw out names all day and find something wrong with every one of them. Do any of them really want to come here? Evidence, not emotion. Nebraska is a unique place, lots of support, great people but very few football players. Everyone will say it can be overcome but we know two coaches were able to do that and they were uniquely special with TO being the connection. After that it has been a roller coaster of hire and fire. Why? Are all the upper management people that incompetent? I question it but the results speak for themselves. Then throw in Frost was the feelgood story, going to get us back and most bought into it. I can see why he was given a longer leash and Trev coming in had some serious hands tied dilemma.
So the question now is who? Names of people who can get it done and will stay.
It takes a good salesman even for a quality product, however, Trev doesn't appear to be it. Moos was a good salesman and was able to get one of the top options last cycle. Unfortunately that option ended up sucking, but shit happens.
Nebraska is a quality program, it's a place with amazing fan support and a place you can win a national championship with the right ingredients. The location isn't near a disadvantage as people think, and I believe even has some hidden advantages. For one, Lincoln is a nice sized college town with plenty to do compared to some smaller college towns. Even the campus is within walking distance of the bar scene. These are just small factors, but combined with all the other factors, we've had no problem outrecruiting the West in terms of star rankings each and every year. We're in a position where we can get into the Big 10 championship game more often than not. If we can get into the CCG, we can win it. If we can win the Big 10, we have a decent chance at making the playoff. You would have a much better chance of reaching the playoff here than some middle of the pack SEC team that has to go through Alabama and Georgia every year. Why can't we sell this? The only reason I can think of is we're not even trying. We're too caught up in our woeful ways to properly sell the program and are highlighting the disadvantages instead of the advantages. Like I've said all along, the best way to highlight our advantages is to start making offers that are hard to pass up. Offering market rates doesn't differentiate us and I don't know why anyone think it would. We need to be willing to offer market plus a premium to grab the coach we actually want. It's the best way to show we're serious about building a quality program again.
Yes the administrative people can be that incompetent, and they are. Trev tied his own hands, and the fact that he appears to have little influence doesn't seem to be a good sign moving forward and has already led to some terrible decisions.
Moos didn't do shit to bring Frost here. Davison and all of his cronies convinced him and Moos was a long for the ride. The last cycle there was no search, it was basically get Frost. If it would have failed, I think fuentes was the next choice and he sucked at Va Tech,
I should count how many times you used the word if.
So "if' this so easy on paper then why have the last 5 failed? Frost was the home grown hire, but that didn't work. There is something missing and "I think" some of the big name coaches see it but our rose colored glasses make it hard.
It all makes what TO did for so long even more amazing but yet, even he has detractors despite all he did.
I used the word a few times to follow a chain of thought. The Big 10 West is one of the weakest divisions in college football. We can outrecruit them each and every year. If a coach isn't salivating at a chance to play in a conference championship more often than not and would rather play second fiddle in the SEC, I question his intelligence.
First off, it depends on your definition of failed. I don't think Solich or Pelini failed, they did alright and had a solid overall record. Both Callahan and Riley were terrible hires and incompetent decisions by administration from the beginning, so obviously they failed. Frost looked good on paper but obviously it didn't pan out because he's an idiot who brought his entire G5 staff with him among other reasons.
There's a reason TO and Devaney were able to have success here. One, they were phenomenal coaches and were excellent at managing a program. Two, the program has a number of advantages that others, especially in this area of the country don't. And I think that's a bigger advantage than people typically think.
I don't fault Moos for hiring Scott Frost. I do fault Moos for giving Frost a contract extension when he clearly didn't deserve it.
My fear about Trev is that he'll do much as the leadership in this state does - more of the same that doesn't work in the 21st century while riding the abundance and glory of the 20th century.
We just elected yet another governor who will be more of the same. I'm not surprised anymore.
I WILL be surprised though IF Trev does better than I suspect. Would be the first from Nebraska leadership in a long ass time...
We just elected yet another governor who will be more of the same. I'm not surprised anymore.
I WILL be surprised though IF Trev does better than I suspect. Would be the first from Nebraska leadership in a long ass time...
He had nothing to do with Frost, so he's 2 for 2 using your accounting method.
If is conditional. Something has to occur first or several somethings.
I guess the fact, and don't change the narrative here, that the last five coaches were all fired says what? Oh that they were all idiots? But yet there are all these advantages of Lincoln and the state that non of them could take advantage of? Seriously? Chalk it up to poor ADs and admin if you want but given all you laid out to be fact would suggest there is only one small piece to the equation. I submit there is much more, no ifs.
The "we recruit better than all the teams in the west" is a cliche, nothing more than a paper excuse. As for your reasoning the west is horrid, I would agree. But then you have to also admit that we can't even complete in that horrid division with all the wonderful things the U and the state have along with this great recruiting.
To quickly address your recruiting and I realize others use the same data point, there are always glaring holes in this wonderful recruiting. Where are the DL, OL and LBs or for that matter a QB?
For years I have watched this program go down further each season to thr point where we have become the laughing stock of American football. The team that once was but no one can remember when it was.
In my opinion, the big names everyone wants are steering clear. We just need someone that wants to work exceeding hard at finding and developing the athletes that fit what whatever systems we end up with. Someone who wants to build more nearly scratch and then stay the 10 years it will take to be relevant. Who is that person?
I blame Trev for all the horrible decisions that other people have made in addition to all the horrible decisions he's made. Of course by horrible decisions, I mean my opinions, but none the less the man should be run out of town on a rail. And as we all know my opinions are the only thing that matters. Lets get one of those AD's from the teens to come back. Those guys were GREAT!
MJ probably, and his success would depend on the rest of his staff and his vision.
As for the rest of the thread, it's the same people that want to jump all over Trev and sh it on the program they root for.
Seems like you have a defeatist attitude. That's okay, but I don't. Get the right coaching staff in here and we can turn this thing around in a hurry.
HindsIght is 20/20 but in reality moos was a bad hire right up there with mike Riley, he was ready to retire and took the money, now who ever the ad would have been there would have been enormous pressure to hire Scott lost
No I don't. You are looking for the answer while ignoring the issues. Reality sucks but that is why they call it reality. The last 5 coaches were all fired. We haven't won anything so long most people don't remember it. But your simple response is we just need the right guy in there and who is that? A deeper dive into what is really going at Nebraska might be in order. Why aren't coaches standing in line for the job? You saying get the right guy and life will be good doesn't match up with the right guy asking to be the person.
Every coach had the nice package of positives over the last 20 years but for the most part have fallen short of fan expectations. Why?
I don't fault Moos for hiring Scott Frost. I do fault Moos for giving Frost a contract extension when he clearly didn't deserve it.
Moos was still better than Eichorst or Steve Pedersen.
Well my good sir, Bo had 9 or 10 wins for each of the six of his years here & Frank also had 5 winning years and his one tie year. Yeah, we've had three horrible losers in Clownahan, Riley & Frost. But it's not yet 20 years of pathetic losing machines.
But yeah, it's been rough sledding for awhile. We'll just have to hang in there compadre'.
Trev made some incredibly tough decisions that needed to be made at UNO, he is capable of doing the same here. Keeping Frost an extra year was worth the gamble, even with the extra $7M for firing Frost early we have better candidates available now than were available last year. The only drawback isn't on Trev, you can't predict some of the jobs that are opening up to have done so. But most importantly, John Cook said he would run through a brick wall for Trev. I don't know about you but that's good enough for me.
That has kind if been my point. I think Solich and Bo, in retrospect were better than some thought. At least their records would indicate that. At any rate, many consider the fact that we fires our last five coaches, a certain indication of futility. One then has to ask why? There has to be some correlation in there somewhere. Thr simple answer is to just hire some big name and throw money at them, I am not sure. Th as t likely isn't going to happen so what next?
Callahan worked his ass off but that alone isn’t enough. Even he needed a better DC. I know his approach pissed a lot of people off but he recruited his ass off and with a better DC he would have won a lot of games.
Sorry, no. Solich was absolutely abysmal. He took the best college football machine both in terms of recruiting and in performance and drove it straight into a ditch. If someone takes over for Nick Saban and Alabama goes .500 as soon as Saban's recruits are gone, I guarantee that coach is getting fired and will be called a complete failure.. and it still wouldn't be as bad as what Solich allowed to happen here.
And Pelini wasn't fired for his record. His record just made it easier. And if you paid any attention to his stay at Youngstown, it was completely justified as he clearly didn't learn a thing from any of it.
There is no doubt there was some fire surrounding the smoke that day and the timing of it all coincided with the Rhule rumors coming out of Auburn that he was Nebraska bound.
Gotta believe Trev was getting the ok to make the offer he inevitably has to make and probably has made by now. If it has been accepted and agreed to is now the question.
DC for sure, and I think he needed to adapt his playbook to college kids. It was overkill. I also got the sense he didn't connect that well with kids in order to bring out their best
He did have a good defense in that 2005-2006 period and he also had Zach Taylor, and even then his ceiling was worse than Bo. Sorry but I'm not buying that all he needed was a DC.
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