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This is the fate I've been expecting, but it's sooner than I thought it would be. I have long suspected he had two real jobs:

1) Get rid of the culture of back-biting and temper tantrums (check)
2) Recruit some talent to the sidelines (partial check, if the WRs would stay in school)

In that space, I thought he'd win enough to keep the job til he gracefully bowed out and left it to some carefully-chosen successor who was ready to win now with the talent they'd built.

Trouble is, the product on the field is jeopardizing their recruiting. They "win the offseason" every year but when you suck out loud and piss off the fans from September to December, that's a problem for getting kids to commit.
 
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At least we don't look like the bad guy if he's fired if others are putting him on the hot seat.
 
As many have pointed out I had reservations about hiring Riley - This was for two reasons even though I thought Riley was decent coach his choices for who he surrounded himself with was horrible. I had some hope when he fired banker and Read but now we have the ofensive coaches showing their issues

1. Firing Riley will be hard on this program he is a nice guy and has a lot of friends in the coaching circles. Even if his record warrants the firing Nebraska will be painted as entitled and a poor job with no access top recruits as the reason he failed. In fact that narrative is already being presented and even believed by some of our own fans. We lose either way on this

2. The other reason was the style of offense it is not sustainable at NU. Eventually we go back to an offense we can recruit to. Unfortunately if another change is made we now put the offense another 3 years behind as we do not have the players to run it

This whole thing is on Eichorst he made a dumb, strategically bad hire and I feel bad for Riley as he is a decent coach in many ways and a stellar person
 
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Win the off season? We have been #31, #24, and #20 in recruiting rankings. Currently, with more time to go obviously, we are #51. Three of our most highly recruited guys aren't even on the team at this point.

I'm not sure that is really winning.
 
I think the write up about Riley on coacheshotseat.com sums up a lot:

"The thing about coaching at Nebraska is the head coach feels the pressure of the job but he has a hard time finding where that pressure is coming from since the folks in the state of Nebraska are so nice and disarming and just downright decent, but we can tell Mike Riley that after having friends in the Omaha area for over two decades that are Nebraska-alums Riley’s performance to date is something that is discussed on a regular basis and if Riley doesn’t get things going with the Cornhuskers soon…Mike Riley and Nebraska AD Shawn Eichorst will find out who is in charge of things and who can send both of them packing!"

With nothing but respect, this is a lot of Riley supporters on this board. Many fought hard for him, just like they did for Bo & Billy C. But when they stop fighting for him, it becomes a witch hunt. And I respect the hell out of the "try to find good in everyone, until its too late" idealism that most of you have. Your great people for it.
 
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is the fan base to Loyal? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/the-curse-of-the-loyal-sports-fan/485594/

"Another economist, Philip K. Porter, of the University of South Florida, had wondered two decades earlier whether fan loyalty might have a perverse effect on winning. Baseball teams, after all, make money not by winning games, but by filling seats. And if lost games do not translate into lost customers, the economic incentive to improve approaches zero. Crunching 25 years of data, from 1966 to 1990, Porter found that the teams most likely to win were not those with the loyalist fan bases, but those with the ficklest."

I think a total reboot of our program is needed. We may need to hit rock bottom before it can improve -

Looking for a silver lining here
 
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SnohomishRed said:
is the fan base to Loyal? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/07/the-curse-of-the-loyal-sports-fan/485594/

"Another economist, Philip K. Porter, of the University of South Florida, had wondered two decades earlier whether fan loyalty might have a perverse effect on winning. Baseball teams, after all, make money not by winning games, but by filling seats. And if lost games do not translate into lost customers, the economic incentive to improve approaches zero. Crunching 25 years of data, from 1966 to 1990, Porter found that the teams most likely to win were not those with the loyalist fan bases, but those with the ficklest."

I think a total reboot of our program is needed. We may need to hit rock bottom before it can improve -

Looking for a silver lining here
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Great find. I continue to say that as long as the stadium is full and the BIG money keeps rolling in there really is not a huge financial incentive to win. You might sell a few more tshirts and hats but that amounts to peanuts
 
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Great find. I continue to say that as long as the stadium is full and the BIG money keeps rolling in there really is not a huge financial incentive to win. You might sell a few more tshirts and hats but that amounts to peanuts
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Empty seats will probably get someone's attention, eventually.
How many more seats can we remove from the stadium without anyone noticing?
Kinda like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
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spinner4 said:
I think the write up about Riley on coacheshotseat.com sums up a lot:

"The thing about coaching at Nebraska is the head coach feels the pressure of the job but he has a hard time finding where that pressure is coming from since the folks in the state of Nebraska are so nice and disarming and just downright decent, but we can tell Mike Riley that after having friends in the Omaha area for over two decades that are Nebraska-alums Riley’s performance to date is something that is discussed on a regular basis and if Riley doesn’t get things going with the Cornhuskers soon…Mike Riley and Nebraska AD Shawn Eichorst will find out who is in charge of things and who can send both of them packing!"

With nothing but respect, this is a lot of Riley supporters on this board. Many fought hard for him, just like they did for Bo & Billy C. But when they stop fighting for him, it becomes a witch hunt. And I respect the hell out of the "try to find good in everyone, until its too late" idealism that most of you have. Your great people for it.
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Spinner, thanks for this. youre a good guy, even when I was taking jabs your way. Lots of respect for you here. I will strive to be better in my treatment of others I don't agree with.

Thanks!
 
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Mack In Motion said:
Don't know what's more rock bottom, football-wise, than having NIU serve us our nads in Memorial.

Anyone?
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we have a whole season to go unless this turns around in a hurry - we will not just have a losing season,it will be a John Blake at OU losing season or a Texas losing to kansas losing season
 
Toms Wife said:
Win the off season? We have been #31, #24, and #20 in recruiting rankings. Currently, with more time to go obviously, we are #51. Three of our most highly recruited guys aren't even on the team at this point.

I'm not sure that is really winning.
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Add roughly 15 to 20 spots with those who left. We ended up at number 42 last year with Blades and KJJ gone. If you count the other teams kids who left or didn't qualify (assuming they don't cone back) then we're number 38.

If the consensus is plus or minus 10 on recruiting rankings and where you end up then we're roughly a top 25 to 30 team and worse case number 40 to 50 ranked team.
 
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Don't know what's more rock bottom, football-wise, than having NIU serve us our nads in Memorial.

Anyone?
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Getting so accustomed to this that a portion of the fanbase attempts to explain it away by propping up a MAC team that has lost 11 of their last 17 games and is playing their backup QB while continuing to preach patience
 
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timnsun said:
Spinner, thanks for this. youre a good guy, even when I was taking jabs your way. Lots of respect for you here. I will strive to be better in my treatment of others I don't agree with.

Thanks!
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Thanks Timsun. We may not all agree on a lot of things but we all want the same thing. It will happen, eventually.
 
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Footballfinatic2016 said:
Add roughly 15 to 20 spots with those who left. We ended up at number 42 last year with Blades and KJJ gone. If you count the other teams kids who left or didn't qualify (assuming they don't cone back) then we're number 38.

If the consensus is plus or minus 10 on recruiting rankings and where you end up then we're roughly a top 25 to 30 team and worse case number 40 to 50 ranked team.
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It just seems like there is some secret recruiting formula that only a handful of people know about that jacks up our recruiting numbers enough to say, We got recruiting rolling.

Then others chime in about how Riley is such a great recruiter and the narrative is perpetuated without any real basis.

P.S. This ain't about Bo. It's how we recruit compared to others.

P.P.S. Look up fundamental attribution error.
 
SnohomishRed said:
As many have pointed out I had reservations about hiring Riley - This was for two reasons even though I thought Riley was decent coach his choices for who he surrounded himself with was horrible. I had some hope when he fired banker and Read but now we have the ofensive coaches showing their issues

1. Firing Riley will be hard on this program he is a nice guy and has a lot of friends in the coaching circles. Even if his record warrants the firing Nebraska will be painted as entitled and a poor job with no access top recruits as the reason he failed. In fact that narrative is already being presented and even believed by some of our own fans. We lose either way on this

2. The other reason was the style of offense it is not sustainable at NU. Eventually we go back to an offense we can recruit to. Unfortunately if another change is made we now put the offense another 3 years behind as we do not have the players to run it

This whole thing is on Eichorst he made a dumb, strategically bad hire and I feel bad for Riley as he is a decent coach in many ways and a stellar person
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Your name is SnohomishRed so I know who had to see Riley coach several games when he was with the Beavers. I had issues with his hire from the get go. I watched him too many times towards the end of games with his arms crossed in front of his chest with his head down and brim of hat so low you can't see his eyes. If you didn't see it in Corvallis or in Husky Stadium (I did) you can catch it on the sideline of the Husker games (last Saturday). Riley is a decent coach if you like nice guys who win 54% of the time
 
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Your name is SnohomishRed so I know who had to see Riley coach several games when he was with the Beavers. I had issues with his hire from the get go. I watched him too many times towards the end of the game with his arms crossed in front of his chest with his head down and brim of hat so low you can't see his eyes. If you didn't see it in Corvallis or in Husky Stadium (I did) you can catch it on the sideline of the Husker games (last Saturday). Riley is a decent coach if you like nice guys who win 54% of the time
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what we are seeing at Nebraska are the same things I saw at his time at OSU - he can run/coach a decent offense however Langsdorf is an idiot, he was an idiot at OSU and when the playcalling and fan angst got too much there Riley took back the playcalling, Langsdorf got mad and somehow invented this QB whisperer thing and left. Why Riley brought him here is beyond me and not only that gave him complete control of playcalling

Mike did some real good things at OSU, Banker was always a mess, the improvement OSU had was due to offense not defense. One of downfalls there and now here was the inability to pick and put faith in the right assistants
 
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spinner4 said:
Riley now #2 on http://coacheshotseat.com/

Also, Riley's picture on the front page of yahoo. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/forde-yard-dash-hot-seats-starting-melt-ads-go-043831603.html

Poor guy. As a human being, I feel bad for him. As a husker fan, no so much. Didnt see his post game interview from Saturday. Just read and listened to it. His body language shows that of a defeated person who feels hopeless
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Sorry - I can't feel bad for him. He knew he was rescued by Eichorst from a sinking ship and for him to bring all of his average buddies with him when he had a clean slate and larger budget to work with than he had ever experienced, he deserves what he is getting. He will close out his career with a highened national attention to his mediocrity than if he would have remained at OSU, but he'll have more money in his pocket to ease his pain. All of this was 100% his choice. He is not the victim - the Husker fan base is.
 
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spinner4 said:
I think the write up about Riley on coacheshotseat.com sums up a lot:

"The thing about coaching at Nebraska is the head coach feels the pressure of the job but he has a hard time finding where that pressure is coming from since the folks in the state of Nebraska are so nice and disarming and just downright decent, but we can tell Mike Riley that after having friends in the Omaha area for over two decades that are Nebraska-alums Riley’s performance to date is something that is discussed on a regular basis and if Riley doesn’t get things going with the Cornhuskers soon…Mike Riley and Nebraska AD Shawn Eichorst will find out who is in charge of things and who can send both of them packing!"

With nothing but respect, this is a lot of Riley supporters on this board. Many fought hard for him, just like they did for Bo & Billy C. But when they stop fighting for him, it becomes a witch hunt. And I respect the hell out of the "try to find good in everyone, until its too late" idealism that most of you have. Your great people for it.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Riley will be coaching for he and Shawn Eichorst's jobs these next 2 saturdays. If we drop one or both to Rutgers or Illinois Riley and Eichorst will be fired, Diaco will coach the rest of the year and we will have 3 months to woo a coach and find a new AD.
 
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spinner4 said:
Riley now #2 on http://coacheshotseat.com/

Also, Riley's picture on the front page of yahoo. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/forde-yard-dash-hot-seats-starting-melt-ads-go-043831603.html

Poor guy. As a human being, I feel bad for him. As a husker fan, no so much. Didnt see his post game interview from Saturday. Just read and listened to it. His body language shows that of a defeated person who feels hopeless
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I don't feel a bit sorry for him. He makes millions of dollars a year and signed up for a job he's not qualified for. I think he'll be fine.
 
TheBeav815 said:
This is the fate I've been expecting, but it's sooner than I thought it would be. I have long suspected he had two real jobs:

1) Get rid of the culture of back-biting and temper tantrums (check)
2) Recruit some talent to the sidelines (partial check, if the WRs would stay in school)

In that space, I thought he'd win enough to keep the job til he gracefully bowed out and left it to some carefully-chosen successor who was ready to win now with the talent they'd built.

Trouble is, the product on the field is jeopardizing their recruiting. They "win the offseason" every year but when you suck out loud and piss off the fans from September to December, that's a problem for getting kids to commit.
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If people are upset about Osborne choosing a successor, why would you want Mike Riley to choose his successor?
 
I really don't like the way it looks like it's going to end up, we'll be looking for a new coach and AD this fall I was one who felt BO needed to go he was a embarrassment bobby knight on roids I wasn't to kneen on the Riley hire but I didn't want him to fail either i actually thought he might turn things around IMO his biggest issue is lack of discipline, Riley reminds me of the substitute teacher all of us had in the 6th or 7th grade and we tried to see how far we could get away with screwing off and he just lets it go did do much of anything. Some of you might disagree which is fine I'll start with the long hair on some players it's shows they want to be singled out want to be noticed that not football look at the most successful franchise the Yankees hair a certain length no facial hair. Discipline you don't love or hate the coach but you respect him
 
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Some of you might disagree which is fine I'll start with the long hair on some players it's shows they want to be singled out want to be noticed that not football look at the most successful franchise the Yankees hair a certain length no facial hair.
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We don't want a military dictatorship in the athletic department now, let them boys do what they want with their hair and worry about school and football.
 
TheNewNU said:
There is no doubt in my mind that Riley will be coaching for he and Shawn Eichorst's jobs these next 2 saturdays. If we drop one or both to Rutgers or Illinois Riley and Eichorst will be fired, Diaco will coach the rest of the year and we will have 3 months to woo a coach and find a new AD.
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You're saying that if we beat Rutgers, Riley is gone with a loss to Illinois and a 2-3 record? I don't buy that.
 
spinner4 said:
Riley now #2 on http://coacheshotseat.com/

Also, Riley's picture on the front page of yahoo. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/forde-yard-dash-hot-seats-starting-melt-ads-go-043831603.html

Poor guy. As a human being, I feel bad for him. As a husker fan, no so much. Didnt see his post game interview from Saturday. Just read and listened to it. His body language shows that of a defeated person who feels hopeless
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I would never feel sorry for someone making his kind of money. He could get fired today and never work another day in his life and will still be better off than 100% of the readers on this board.
 
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