is it true aranda has only been a head coach since 2020?
and that he's .500 (9-9) in Big 12 play?
and that he's .500 (9-9) in Big 12 play?
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Or Dave is going to say yes to a huge pay raise from Baylor after his agent floated this rumor
Callahan was a horrible coach… But look at the average recruiting class out of high school for basically any team that has reached the bowl championship series in recent years… They all have a preponderance of four and five star athletes. Talent does matter, we have consistently had mediocre talent best, and we have consistently had a mediocre result. I really don’t think this can be debated, unless you are consider being ranked 20th-30th ‘good’….this is wrong on so many levels. gather round folks let mavsker teach you a lesson
a) not necessarily. frost was making $5 million a year + $15 million buyout = a little north of $35 million. The number that is relevant here isnt the $35 million, it's the $5 million/yr, because the buyout isnt relevant to the quality of a coach. salary is more relevant. so, FALSE
b) FALSE. retention has been bad, recruitment has been just fine. having a top 25 class where most of the good players leave isnt a problem of recruitment, its a problem of retention. a 50th ranked recruiting class that develops and retains its players will probably end up a stronger class than a 10th ranked class that struggles to develop and retain its best players.
c) do you really think we're going to be offering our top candidates less than $5 million/year? doubt it. so, FALSE
its strange because you build up this great case about the importance of an expensive coach who is a great recruiter, then name Callahan, who was both expensive and a great recruiter, and was terrible. nebraska has knocked on the door of top 15 classes even when we have been terrible. start winning more games and put NIL to work and even an average recruiter could pull top 15 classes.
I think the only AD that cared about the bottom line here was Tom Osborne. Trev said in his presser we can pay market rate for a coach. Anything less than $7M a year would surprise me. Brohm at Purdue makes $7M a year.I doubt the new coach will make less than Frost and do not think the motivation here is to save money.
As long as he brings his OC with him
same OC that's helped him to the .500 conference record?As long as he brings his OC with him
3 out of the last 4 were ranked inside the top 20Disagree with B).
Recruiting has generally been in the 20-25 range. I get the transfers out hurts that ranking, but it is what it is. The bigger issue has been coaching. It has sucked. We need the talented players as well, no doubt, but our coaching has sucked. Big time.
This makes coach number 4 that is Top on our list. Including Campbell, Aranda, Leipold and BoBAs long as he brings his OC with him
Pre-Grimes season: 2-7same OC that's helped him to the .500 conference record?
I cannot for the life of me spot the difference between Aranda's resume and frost's?
No matter the HC, we need to spend money on assistants and get top gun assistants. HC's are great, but having a 250K position coach is not going to cut it. Saban, Meyer, Kirby and all of these guys are national title contenders because their assistants are great and paid well.Pre-Grimes season: 2-7
Grimes season: 12-2
Defense solid regardless, as Aranda's a defensive minded coach. We take Aranda in a heartbeat - IF - he brings Grimes. If not...well, we should just hire Grimes lol
Hayden Fry assistant coaches in early days at Iowa::No matter the HC, we need to spend money on assistants and get top gun assistants. HC's are great, but having a 250K position coach is not going to cut it. Saban, Meyer, Kirby and all of these guys are national title contenders because their assistants are great and paid well.
3 | Urban Meyer | .854 | 187-32 | Bowling Green 2001-2002; Utah 2003-2004; Florida 2005-2010; Ohio State 2012-2018 |
12 | Dabo Swinney | .8065 | 150-36 | Clemson 2008-present |
14 | Nick Saban (8) | .803 | 274-67-1 | Toledo 1990; Michigan State 1995-1999; Louisiana State 2000-2004; Alabama 2007-present |
15 | Bob Stoops | .799 | 191-48 | Oklahoma 1999-2016 and 1 game 2021 |
17 | Chris Petersen | .7946 | 147-38 | Boise State 2006-2013; Washington 2014-2019 |
31 | Jimbo Fisher | .7597 | 117-37 | Florida State 2010-2017; Texas A&M 2018-present |
Hayden Fry assistant coaches in early days at Iowa::
Barry Alvarez
Kirk Ferentz
Jim Leavitt
Dan McCarney
Bob Stoops
Bill Snyder
Other Fry assistants in 2000's:
Bret Bielema
Chuck Long
Bo Pelini
Mark Stoops
Mike Stoops
Bob Diaco
Jay Norvell
Not propping up the Hawkeyes, but that's a helluva lot of good coaches.
finished the season 9–3 (7–2 Big Ten), capped by a loss to Florida in the Gator Bowl.Iowa 1983, perhaps the best staff ever assembled with Alverez, Ferentz, McCarney, Snyder, Stoops, and others.
THE BASE OF THE TREE: HAYDEN FRY'S 1983 COACHING STAFF
The Hayden Fry Coaching Tree is the greatest of all coaching trees. And the 1983 Iowa staff was the base, an absurd level of coaching talent not seen since.www.blackheartgoldpants.com
Unmatched until Austin, Mario, Held, Lubick, Chinander.Iowa 1983, perhaps the best staff ever assembled with Alverez, Ferentz, McCarney, Snyder, Stoops, and others.
THE BASE OF THE TREE: HAYDEN FRY'S 1983 COACHING STAFF
The Hayden Fry Coaching Tree is the greatest of all coaching trees. And the 1983 Iowa staff was the base, an absurd level of coaching talent not seen since.www.blackheartgoldpants.com
You really are stupid.Iowa 1983, perhaps the best staff ever assembled with Alverez, Ferentz, McCarney, Snyder, Stoops, and others.
THE BASE OF THE TREE: HAYDEN FRY'S 1983 COACHING STAFF
The Hayden Fry Coaching Tree is the greatest of all coaching trees. And the 1983 Iowa staff was the base, an absurd level of coaching talent not seen since.www.blackheartgoldpants.com
the HOF has much too low a bar if you don't even need to win a national title to get in as a coachFive eventual HOF coaches on that Iowa staff.
The B12 season hasn't started.I remember when passive aggressive ksu fan came here repeatedly saying when his new quarterback plays great this year N fans would say the Big 12 was the no defense league.
the mighty AAC has already derailed any and all hope you had of saying "I told you so" in a very passive aggressive manner once it doesThe B12 season hasn't started.
Your phycology degree would be more useful in the cloakroom.the mighty AAC has already derailed any and all hope you had of saying "I told you so" in a very passive aggressive manner once it does
a real shame
I didn't know king kong had a degree in the study of algae and seaweed.Your phycology degree would be more useful in the cloakroom.
Any coach we get is more than likely going to be more expensive than Frost. Coaching salaries have continued to go up. When we hired Frost, he was making close to top 10 salary, and when we let him go, he was well outside the top 25. If we're not willing to pay top 10 salary again to get a solid coach, it likely means we've punted on our program. We're not going to attract anyone worth a shit unless we do pay up. It's the cost of doing business of a blueblood program.Shoot me down if I'm wrong here, but it seems like the HC names being floated out there (and it's a bit of a game currently, we all know that) would all result in a cost-savings compared to the $35M we're paying HCSF. That's observation A)
B) we've sucked for a very long time, first and foremost because of lack of Talent. Our recruiting has been middle of the road, usually out of the top 25, and it stands to reason our long-term success would mirror that, and it has.
C) WHY THE F*CK would anyone expect things to change with the hiring of a 'less expensive' head coach? I understand full-well that money does NOT always equate to success on the field, but it IS a factor.
With as frustrated as we all are with mediocrity (if you can even call it that at this point), you'd think the university would be looking for a big name capable of immediately infusing us with the talent we've so sorely lacking.
Can count on one hand the # of home games I've missed since the late 80's, it's been a Religion for me. I'm just about done supporting the program. Can all but guarantee any of the names being floated will be the last straw... we can't afford another experiment. It's sad to say that since Osborne, I think Callahan probably gave us the best chance to be a Great program. He wasn't a great coach, but he did recruit talent.
I think the data shows this to be true.N started falling when it left the B12. Husker fans refuse to acknowledge that fundamental. But it won't change the fact.
Disagree. Most don’t want to admit this, but if you look at the numbers after transfers were between 40 and 45. This isn’t changing with whoever they bring in. Parity hurt Neb more than any school in the country. Kids don’t want to leave home unless you’re on tv, beaches, etc. That isn’t changing.Disagree with B).
Recruiting has generally been in the 20-25 range. I get the transfers out hurts that ranking, but it is what it is. The bigger issue has been coaching. It has sucked. We need the talented players as well, no doubt, but our coaching has sucked. Big time.
Another mid 3* postDisagree. Most don’t want to admit this, but if you look at the numbers after transfers were between 40 and 45. This isn’t changing with whoever they bring in. Parity hurt Neb more than any school in the country. Kids don’t want to leave home unless you’re on tv, beaches, etc. That isn’t changing.
The huskers play for the UNIVERSITY of Nebraska. We are not leaving a top tier academic conference that has a $90,000,000. pay out to athletic programs and has $100,000,000 of million in academic research grants because our football team can't find success competing in the Conference.I think the data shows this to be true.
Things under Pelini were pretty good until we went to the B1G.. then the defense started falling apart and recruiting took a big nose dive as well.. a few cycles later and all the talent was gone.
I have always felt like the B1G was the nail in the coffin for the program, and we actually had a chance to GTFO during the covid year and the administration was too weak to do it.
I would do anything to leave this horrible conference. We don't fit in it anyway.
Pelini couldn't adjust. He came in with a plan and if the opposing team did something that he wasn't prepared for, it was a LONG game. Remember the Big 10 Championship, or any number of other games against Wisconsin?Pelini was probably a better game manager than you give him credit for, his record in one-score games was good. Without looking, I also think he recruited at basically the same level as Frost.
How much could we get from the SEC? A lot. Why would a school like Texas which would have been welcomed into the Big 10 in another round of exapansion choose the SEC? Because it's equal money but better for the athletics programs.The huskers play for the UNIVERSITY of Nebraska. We are not leaving a top tier academic conference that has a $90,000,000. pay out to athletic programs and has $100,000,000 of million in academic research grants because our football team can't find success competing in the Conference.
The grant money was recently discussed on this board with people knowledgable on the grant submission process. Academic research grants are NOT tied to the Big Ten conference. You can apply and get those grants by being independent or a member of any other conference. The only positive thing this conference has going for it, is the TV rights deal. That's it.The huskers play for the UNIVERSITY of Nebraska. We are not leaving a top tier academic conference that has a $90,000,000. pay out to athletic programs and has $100,000,000 of million in academic research grants because our football team can't find success competing in the Conference.
this is wrong on so many levels. gather round folks let mavsker teach you a lesson
a) not necessarily. frost was making $5 million a year + $15 million buyout = a little north of $35 million. The number that is relevant here isnt the $35 million, it's the $5 million/yr, because the buyout isnt relevant to the quality of a coach. salary is more relevant. so, FALSE
b) FALSE. retention has been bad, recruitment has been just fine. having a top 25 class where most of the good players leave isnt a problem of recruitment, its a problem of retention. a 50th ranked recruiting class that develops and retains its players will probably end up a stronger class than a 10th ranked class that struggles to develop and retain its best players.
c) do you really think we're going to be offering our top candidates less than $5 million/year? doubt it. so, FALSE
its strange because you build up this great case about the importance of an expensive coach who is a great recruiter, then name Callahan, who was both expensive and a great recruiter, and was terrible. nebraska has knocked on the door of top 15 classes even when we have been terrible. start winning more games and put NIL to work and even an average recruiter could pull top 15 classes.
Bohl was a pretty big debacle as well. People forget about that.I liked Callahan other than we had 0 defense and he wouldn’t do anything about it to protect cosgrove. But calla’s offense and recruiting were quite good.
Just got me thinking. Which was our worst defense. Cosgrove, debacle, or chins ?
Well you better hope the Big 12 survives. Programs like yours doesn't have another option. Nebraska may not be what it was, it probably won't either. But at least they'll have a seat at the table. Your program will be dining with the left behinds at Chuckee -Cheese.N started falling when it left the B12. Husker fans refuse to acknowledge that fundamental. But it won't change the fact.
Not many. Saban, Meyer, Smart and then you get to the next tier who are still very good: Day, Fickell, Fisher, Swinney, kelly, aranda, etc.How many truly elite coaches are there in college football? 5?