The longer this goes on the worse it will be

[Pennsyhusker]

That isn't even remotely the point. I don't care if you watch, don't watch. Lie about watching or anything else.

If the plan was to make a change, and the change wasn't made after losing to Northern Illinois, the change won't be made until the end of the season. You gain nothing by firing him Sunday or Monday. The 2 of the 3 toughest games on the schedule are gone. The interim coach comes in and wins 5 of the last 6, then what?

By keeping Riley through the end of the season, you at least have the opportunity to keep in contact with the recruits you have on the hook now. If he is fired, those guys are gone. The new coach won't have much of a chance to keep them when he is hired in November or December. At least with a November firing, there is a chance they haven't totally abandoned ship.

I stand by the comments if a mid-season firing was even a remote possibility, they would have just done it with Eichorst.

You make perfect sense. Truly. But as you know these decisions are often not made with perfect sense. A mid season firing is not without precedent in the world of college football. And when it is done it is usually because the administration is getting wicked heat from their biggest boosters.
If I recall Tuco, you said that the firing of Eichorst was a classic example of an emotional, "feel good" and reactionary decision. If I am wrong about that, my apologies. But if Green and Bounds could fire Eichorst for reactionary reasons in order to please the boosters, then I could see them shit canning Riley after two straight humiliations.

 

[otismotis08]

Red sea, not blue ocean. Sharks are swirling.

 

[Archie Graham]

I falt out do not agree with this. Riley should get another year if we win 6-7 games.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I falt out do not agree with this. Riley should get another year if we win 6-7 games.

I thought you were off the Riley train Archie?

 

[Archie Graham]

I thought you were off the Riley train Archie?

I'd say I'm off the train; however, I'm not saying I think we should fire him. We don't even have an AD. The new AD will need to evaluate the program. The new AD will then need to handle feelers, informal conversations, and actual interviews with UNL administrators, etc.

Riley has the rest of the year to show me things can move in a positive direction. I'd like to see 6-7 wins, I'd like to see a class bigger than 18 inked (...and retain our stud recruits), and I want to see that Riley is willing to cut dead weight after this year. I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I'd say I'm off the train; however, I'm not saying I think we should fire him. We don't even have an AD. The new AD will need to evaluate the program. The new AD will then need to handle feelers, informal conversations, and actual interviews with UNL administrators, etc.

Riley has the rest of the year to show me things can move in a positive direction. I'd like to see 6-7 wins, I'd like to see a class bigger than 18 inked (...and retain our stud recruits), and I want to see that Riley is willing to cut dead weight after this year. I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.
I think if we beat Purdue on the road we will end 6-7 with losses to OSU, PSU, and Iowa. But I also think there is a good chance we could lose to Purdue leaving us at 5-7. And of course, we could also drop other games.
But if we do end 6-7 it will simply mean we beat all the weak teams and lost to every other team with a pulse. That's progress? That's enough for you in year three?
I don't know. I just have this gut feeling that Riley is stuck in neutral.
What should be his fate if we end 5-7 or worse? Not being sarcastic. I respect your views. Would like to know

 

[headcard]

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.
I think if we beat Purdue on the road we will end 6-7 with losses to OSU, PSU, and Iowa. But I also think there is a good chance we could lose to Purdue leaving us at 5-7. And of course, we could also drop other games.
But if we do end 6-7 it will simply mean we beat all the weak teams and lost to every other team with a pulse. That's progress? That's enough for you in year three?
I don't know. I just have this gut feeling that Riley is stuck in neutral.
What should be his fate if we end 5-7 or worse? Not being sarcastic. I respect your views. Would like to know

Already penciled in the Bowl Game loss to get us to 6-7?

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Already penciled in the Bowl Game loss to get us to 6-7?

Ha. My math is off. Sitting at the airport in Omaha having some issues with my flight. Arghh.

 

[SoFL Husker]

That isn't even remotely the point. I don't care if you watch, don't watch. Lie about watching or anything else.

If the plan was to make a change, and the change wasn't made after losing to Northern Illinois, the change won't be made until the end of the season. You gain nothing by firing him Sunday or Monday. The 2 of the 3 toughest games on the schedule are gone. The interim coach comes in and wins 5 of the last 6, then what?

By keeping Riley through the end of the season, you at least have the opportunity to keep in contact with the recruits you have on the hook now. If he is fired, those guys are gone. The new coach won't have much of a chance to keep them when he is hired in November or December. At least with a November firing, there is a chance they haven't totally abandoned ship.

I stand by the comments if a mid-season firing was even a remote possibility, they would have just done it with Eichorst.

Ok. If bringing in this recruiting class is so important, keep him until then. Or fire him now. Just get Smilin Mike packing. Maybe I'll tune back in, and in either case, I don't care because this football team is lost with this HC/leadership. Spin it however you want Tuco. Keep spinning it

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Ok. If bringing in this recruiting class is so important, keep him until then. Or fire him now. Just get Smilin Mike packing. Maybe I'll tune back in, and in either case, I don't care because this football team is lost with this HC/leadership. Spin it however you want Tuco. Keep spinning it

Tuco doesn't "spin". Right or wrong, his posts are some of the best on here.

 

[SoFL Husker]

That isn't even remotely the point. I don't care if you watch, don't watch. Lie about watching or anything else.

If the plan was to make a change, and the change wasn't made after losing to Northern Illinois, the change won't be made until the end of the season. You gain nothing by firing him Sunday or Monday. The 2 of the 3 toughest games on the schedule are gone. The interim coach comes in and wins 5 of the last 6, then what?

By keeping Riley through the end of the season, you at least have the opportunity to keep in contact with the recruits you have on the hook now. If he is fired, those guys are gone. The new coach won't have much of a chance to keep them when he is hired in November or December. At least with a November firing, there is a chance they haven't totally abandoned ship.

I stand by the comments if a mid-season firing was even a remote possibility, they would have just done it with Eichorst.

Honestly, I enjoy my day more on here bantering with you than watching disappointment and beatdowns on Saturday.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Tuco doesn't "spin". Right or wrong, his posts are some of the best on here.

Agree, but he posts like a surgeon trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Just let the chips fall. New regime = fresh injection of potential success down the road.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Agree, but he posts like a surgeon trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Just let the chips fall. New regime = fresh injection of potential success down the road.

Sounds like a lot of hope and sounds like a lot of what we heard in 2014.

As far as my posts trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together, this has nothing to do with keeping Riley. It has to do with keeping quality players in the fold for the next coach.

You can come on here and spout all sorts of "what you would do" crap all day long, but your "decisions" have no consequences, you don't have real decision makers to answer to. If those in charge make wrong decisions now, it can have long lasting ramifications. Fire Mike Riley Sunday is really easy to say when it isn't your $8 million, you don't have to answer to boosters and large dollar donors, you don't have those people in your ear, each telling you how it needs to be handled.

You remind me of what Dick Vitale always says, he is undefeated in that announcer's chair.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Sounds like a lot of hope and sounds like a lot of what we heard in 2014.

As far as my posts trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together, this has nothing to do with keeping Riley. It has to do with keeping quality players in the fold for the next coach.

You can come on here and spout all sorts of "what you would do" crap all day long, but your "decisions" have no consequences, you don't have real decision makers to answer to. If those in charge make wrong decisions now, it can have long lasting ramifications. Fire Mike Riley Sunday is really easy to say when it isn't your $8 million, you don't have to answer to boosters and large dollar donors, you don't have those people in your ear, each telling you how it needs to be handled.

You remind me of what Dick Vitale always says, he is undefeated in that announcer's chair.

That's the thing isn't it? Green and Bounds know that this time we have to make really, really smart hires. No "committee of one" type decisions. But also, no decisions made as a result of conflicting outside pressure. I really hope that is the case this time. No matter what all of our different opinions might be on here, we all can agree that this time we need to do this the right way.

 

[coleastherb]

Are people afraid that the sun isn't going to rise after we fire Riley? People know it was a stupid hire.

The sun will rise when Riley is fired and Scott Frost will be hired and Scott Frost will be here for a long time.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Are people afraid that the sun isn't going to rise after we fire Riley? People know it was a stupid hire.

The sun will rise when Riley is fired and Scott Frost will be hired and Scott Frost will be here for a long time.

That is the sunshine and rainbows view of events. And it may be true.
I don't think hiring Riley was stupid. To me, it was a confusing and head scratching hire. But not stupid.

 

[Archie Graham]

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.
I think if we beat Purdue on the road we will end 6-7 with losses to OSU, PSU, and Iowa. But I also think there is a good chance we could lose to Purdue leaving us at 5-7. And of course, we could also drop other games.
But if we do end 6-7 it will simply mean we beat all the weak teams and lost to every other team with a pulse. That's progress? That's enough for you in year three?
I don't know. I just have this gut feeling that Riley is stuck in neutral.
What should be his fate if we end 5-7 or worse? Not being sarcastic. I respect your views. Would like to know

Six wins, close on a good recruiting class, and I personally give Riley another year.

Obviously, it depends upon how it all goes down thought. But I don't think this is nearly as cut-and-dry as many others do. We played a solid game against a T10 team until we couldn't get a stop on defense in the second half. There has been major progress in Lee, the OL, and the defense. That can't be ignored. Especially when the alternative is to blow it all up and start over.

 

[romaman]

No idea. And I am not saying I think Riley should be fired soon. Just saying if they determine after the OSU game that he needs to go that they should just do it. Why wait?

I get it, but do we want Langsdorf or Diaco running the show, I guess it couldn't hurt in the short term. I was hoping to win at 3 more games this year and make the post season for whatever reason.

 

[WHCSC]

I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though

What leaves you torn? What do you like about him?

 

[bshirt73]

Six wins, close on a good recruiting class, and I personally give Riley another year.

Obviously, it depends upon how it all goes down thought. But I don't think this is nearly as cut-and-dry as many others do. We played a solid game against a T10 team until we couldn't get a stop on defense in the second half. There has been major progress in Lee, the OL, and the defense. That can't be ignored. Especially when the alternative is to blow it all up and start over.

Well, "blowing up" a grossly incompetent MR & staff is hardly the worst thing that could happen.

I thought I saw Wisconsin run over our "major progressed" defense like a Mercedes Benz over a paper clip. Over 350 yards running on us.....averaging OVER seven yards a carry. Yeah, our vastly improved defense stuffed them alright. In Lincoln at night to boot.

And didn't I see Lee & our Oline generate an overwhelming total of "10" points in that game? Heh...."progress" again I suppose. I guess only one pick-six is huge improvement. Ok.

Yes, I agree....it can't be ignored.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Well, "blowing up" a grossly incompetent MR & staff is hardly the worst thing that could happen.

I thought I saw Wisconsin run over our "major progressed" defense like a Mercedes Benz over a paper clip. Over 350 yards running on us.....averaging OVER seven yards a carry. Yeah, our vastly improved defense stuffed them alright. In Lincoln at night to boot.

And didn't I see Lee & our Oline generate an overwhelming total of "10" points in that game? Heh...."progress" again I suppose. I guess only one pick-six is huge improvement. Ok.

Yes, I agree....it can't be ignored.

The only way I could have seen Riley making it through the season is having a winning record and Diaco's defense playing really well against good teams. I do not see that happening Wisconsin ran right over us and the other teams left will see that and do the same thing maybe not at the same level but that will clearly be the game plan. Without the defense playing at a high level we have no chance at a winning record. Keeping Riley because we might sign a recruit is not sound logic

 

[BigRedLegion]

Does the recent resignation of Gary Anderson signal he is coming? The fact he forfeited 12.6 million indicates he has something already on his plate. He would be a good fit.

I wondered about this also. But there will be other openings. Im sure he has something planned.

 

[Red I 73]

NU is in a really bad spot which is what I feared would happen.

Mr Rogers isn't cutting it and even though everyone knows that, firing him mid season makes NU look like a program with unreasonable expectations again. On the flip side if we keep him til the end of the season, recruiting is pointless and whoever they do get we may not even want, players get beat up even more and the program continues to slide.

There are no right answers here, Perlman and his meddling and bad decisions by TO have led this program to the brink of irrelevancy. The next hire for AD and a HC will most likely be the last shot this program has to come back if it's not too late already.

I would blame it on Bob Devaney. He is the one that hired TO. Everything that happened after that has been an avalanche

 

[Archie Graham]

What leaves you torn? What do you like about him?

On the field we have seen significant improvement after he was willing to make a couple changes. The most significant for overall line play was at C since line calls are so important for overall line play. I'd also say, however, that it stinks it took so long to make the call at C and RG. But it did get made relatively early in the season.

I think his recruiting was solid heading into this year. I like the evaluation he did on all of our young guys. Right now we have a true freshman in Jaimes playing pretty damn well. That's all of Cav for great talent identification. His recruiting this year, however, leaves something to be desired.

I've no ploblem with letting Cav go after this year; however, I feel more torn now than before we made the changes at C and RG.

 

[Archie Graham]

Well, "blowing up" a grossly incompetent MR & staff is hardly the worst thing that could happen.

I thought I saw Wisconsin run over our "major progressed" defense like a Mercedes Benz over a paper clip. Over 350 yards running on us.....averaging OVER seven yards a carry. Yeah, our vastly improved defense stuffed them alright. In Lincoln at night to boot.

And didn't I see Lee & our Oline generate an overwhelming total of "10" points in that game? Heh...."progress" again I suppose. I guess only one pick-six is huge improvement. Ok.

Yes, I agree....it can't be ignored.

If you find our staff to be grossly incompetent then we need to go no further. That's false and the language selection reaks of someone that isn't evaluating things with any reasonable balance.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

I'd say I'm off the train; however, I'm not saying I think we should fire him. We don't even have an AD. The new AD will need to evaluate the program. The new AD will then need to handle feelers, informal conversations, and actual interviews with UNL administrators, etc.

Riley has the rest of the year to show me things can move in a positive direction. I'd like to see 6-7 wins, I'd like to see a class bigger than 18 inked (...and retain our stud recruits), and I want to see that Riley is willing to cut dead weight after this year. I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though.

Big question since Riley has been here. He was king of over signing at OSU, but has done a complete 180 here. Wonder why that is and is he being hampered behind the scenes in this.

 

[Archie Graham]

Big question since Riley has been here. He was king of over signing at OSU, but has done a complete 180 here. Wonder why that is and is he being hampered behind the scenes in this.

That's a great freaking question. It's not acceptable. A successful program must work with non-contributors to find other options.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Well, "blowing up" a grossly incompetent MR & staff is hardly the worst thing that could happen.

I thought I saw Wisconsin run over our "major progressed" defense like a Mercedes Benz over a paper clip. Over 350 yards running on us.....averaging OVER seven yards a carry. Yeah, our vastly improved defense stuffed them alright. In Lincoln at night to boot.

And didn't I see Lee & our Oline generate an overwhelming total of "10" points in that game? Heh...."progress" again I suppose. I guess only one pick-six is huge improvement. Ok.

Yes, I agree....it can't be ignored.

Yet you had no problem with them shoving it up 408's a** year after year......

 

[bshirt73]

Yet you had no problem with them shoving it up 408's a** year after year......

What? And who is 408?

 

[WHCSC]

On the field we have seen significant improvement after he was willing to make a couple changes. The most significant for overall line play was at C since line calls are so important for overall line play. I'd also say, however, that it stinks it took so long to make the call at C and RG. But it did get made relatively early in the season.

I think his recruiting was solid heading into this year. I like the evaluation he did on all of our young guys. Right now we have a true freshman in Jaimes playing pretty damn well. That's all of Cav for great talent identification. His recruiting this year, however, leaves something to be desired.

I've no ploblem with letting Cav go after this year; however, I feel more torn now than before we made the changes at C and RG.

Wasn't the change at center kind of forced by injury? The recruiting and eval is nice but does he coach them up?

 

[jeans15]

When have we had significant improvement and where?

This is year 3 and we look like year 1.

Get them out of here.

 

[bshirt73]

If you find our staff to be grossly incompetent then we need to go no further. That's false and the language selection reaks of someone that isn't evaluating things with any reasonable balance.

As you wish sir.

 

[Archie Graham]

Wasn't the change at center kind of forced by injury? The recruiting and eval is nice but does he coach them up?

Yes. But Cav didn't go back to business as usual.

Coach them up? I guess that depends on your POV. A change at center has made a world of difference.

...but I'm not trying to make an argument to retain Cav. Just explaining why I'm more torn now than three weeks ago.

 

[ssmill777]

NU is in a really bad spot which is what I feared would happen.

Mr Rogers isn't cutting it and even though everyone knows that, firing him mid season makes NU look like a program with unreasonable expectations again. On the flip side if we keep him til the end of the season, recruiting is pointless and whoever they do get we may not even want, players get beat up even more and the program continues to slide.

There are no right answers here, Perlman and his meddling and bad decisions by TO have led this program to the brink of irrelevancy. The next hire for AD and a HC will most likely be the last shot this program has to come back if it's not too late already.

Agree completely except for the last line of your post. It's never too late to rise again. Look at Purdue this yr, look at Iowa State upsetting Oklahoma (at home), should have beat the Hawkeyes, and played Texas tough. Look at where Colorado was a few yrs ago and the turnaround that took place. Look at UCF 2 yrs ago - winless, and now they're ranked, and undefeated. Coaching makes a huge difference, and as you stated, the next hire is crucial, but there is always hope and the possibility of a return to some of the former glory.

 

[Huskercigar]

I'd say I'm off the train; however, I'm not saying I think we should fire him. We don't even have an AD. The new AD will need to evaluate the program. The new AD will then need to handle feelers, informal conversations, and actual interviews with UNL administrators, etc.

Riley has the rest of the year to show me things can move in a positive direction. I'd like to see 6-7 wins, I'd like to see a class bigger than 18 inked (...and retain our stud recruits), and I want to see that Riley is willing to cut dead weight after this year. I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though.

I'm pretty sure this body of works can be evaluated over a cup of coffee. As for recruiting.......our only chance of retaining the few studs we have is with a new coach. The sharks are circling and all the recruits know it. A 6 or 7 win season will scare them off.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I'd say I'm off the train; however, I'm not saying I think we should fire him. We don't even have an AD. The new AD will need to evaluate the program. The new AD will then need to handle feelers, informal conversations, and actual interviews with UNL administrators, etc.

Riley has the rest of the year to show me things can move in a positive direction. I'd like to see 6-7 wins, I'd like to see a class bigger than 18 inked (...and retain our stud recruits), and I want to see that Riley is willing to cut dead weight after this year. I'm a bit torn on Cav. I think he should probably go though.

“Indecision is a virus that can run through an army and destroy its will to win or even to survive.”
— Frances Mayes

 

[Archie Graham]

“Indecision is a virus that can run through an army and destroy its will to win or even to survive.”
— Frances Mayes

By retaining Riley, or by firing Riley, one would be making a decision. There is no indecision here.

Your attempt at a cute post makes no sense. Congrats.

 

[headcard]

 

[SnohomishRed]

By retaining Riley, or by firing Riley, one would be making a decision. There is no indecision here.

Your attempt at a cute post makes no sense. Congrats.

You are fearful that we will lose recruits or maybe the coaches morph into something they are not. Deciding to not make a decision or actually to just delay it is indecision
The post and quote was pertinent to the discussion on here was not meant to be cute.

It is clear to anyone who is reasonable at this point we made a mistake delaying dealing with it doesnt help matters at all

 

[Hoosker Du]

Wow you guys get worse and worse, Jesus. The fire Riley talk to start with but now it’s got to this point, some are bitching it isn’t happening quick enough? IF, that’s a IF, Rileys fired at al, it will be after the seasons over with. We will already look kinda bad in a lot of coaches eyes out there for firing a HC with only 3 seasons to rebuild a program. But to rush it and do it now, would be just stupid. There’s no reason at all to rush this. Hell we do not even have our AD yet. One thing Riley is doing good, recruiting. This season looks like a wash already so wth? Let him finish the season out, sign what ever top tier talent recruits we can sign that enrolls early and at season end, if he gets canned then hire a coach ASAP and try and save the recruits we got that stayed committed after the initial firing. And bust ass to fill remaining spots. This is as far as I’m taking this. I’m one that feels Riley deserves 2 more years minimum. 5-6 years should ALWAYS be the golden standard.

"2 more years minimum." Now that's funny..