The key to next year imo

[SnohomishRed]

Will be the defense How does a Banker coached defense do in the BIg10?

I think this can go one of two ways:

1. Bankers style is more suited to the BIg10 and players thrive and gain confidence If this happens then I think we can be pretty good defensively this year. One thing I do fell more certain about is that we will not have Wisconsin running for a 1000 yards against us again. A Banker stat wise has been less that inspiring in the Pac12 - however I do belive his style of play will do better in the Big10 with more running teams. His style is also predicated on very good talent in the inside defensive line - which I believe we have also. OSU simply could not recruit to his style on a consistent basis. So while there is doubt I am hopeful

2. Cosgrove part two - bad secondary play and worse results - Nu can ill afford to have teams embarrass us on defensive next year if this program is going to take a step forward.

I think the offense will take awhile to gell - But I do believe Riley has shown he is a good offensive mind. Defense is all important this year in my opinion. Also during coahcing changes it is the defense that can imporve the most the quickest. How well they perform this year could very determine whether NU can regain some respeoct and start winning something of note again.

cautiously optimistic

 

[rrthusker]

Will be the defense How does a Banker coached defense do in the BIg10?

I think this can go one of two ways:

1. Bankers style is more suited to the BIg10 and players thrive and gain confidence If this happens then I think we can be pretty good defensively this year. One thing I do fell more certain about is that we will not have Wisconsin running for a 1000 yards against us again. A Banker stat wise has been less that inspiring in the Pac12 - however I do belive his style of play will do better in the Big10 with more running teams. His style is also predicated on very good talent in the inside defensive line - which I believe we have also. OSU simply could not recruit to his style on a consistent basis. So while there is doubt I am hopeful

2. Cosgrove part two - bad secondary play and worse results - Nu can ill afford to have teams embarrass us on defensive next year if this program is going to take a step forward.

I think the offense will take awhile to gell - But I do believe Riley has shown he is a good offensive mind. Defense is all important this year in my opinion. Also during coahcing changes it is the defense that can imporve the most the quickest. How well they perform this year could very determine whether NU can regain some respeoct and start winning something of note again.

cautiously optimistic

All I know and I don`t know much is I will take Banker over his predecessor.

 

[dockentwo]

Im with you guys !!! The only spin I have is positive for the D, because that is how its going to go - rrt hitting why most squarely on the head .

DB's : We have the first of many successful years coming. The last db coach that headed South was a good one; somehow Coach MR picked an even better one. He will unleash them to get the ball and they are talented. They picked a lot of balls in Spring practice, they can jump AND jump routes.

LB's : the biggest question; but if Bandy keeps tearing up the middle we are half way there; as long as he can duck bodies flying over from the DT's; he should avoid injury. Rose should steady the new talent. The new talent will get its shot; biggest factor is how fast a few mature, because they are able... Not picking on anyone; but this bright young coach is giving us the biggest upgrade over the cluster and meddling that went on before - just seems so.

DT's are out of the ballroom dancing and will be a terror. With the DE's similar to the lb situation. Only a few running games will get their shot to function well. Even the DE's have a lot of enthusiasm and will get on a roll on occasion.

These coaches will play young talent and have had to coach them up fast in the past. Now we are going to have more talent than the coaches have known. It will be very few teams that can get a leg up - and our db's could be rescue dogs; I believe they will play rabid and go hawk when the chips are falling; with a high degree of success. GBR

 

[500mileRadius]

What about that part about winning the games that matter?

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Cosgrove part two - bad secondary play and worse results - Nu can ill afford to have teams embarrass us on defensive next year if this program is going to take a step forward.

You Huskerelini fans never stop.

 

[dockentwo]

We will win games that matter. We will upset people; and grow to be favored over most. Two years ago Oregon beat OSU by one; teams are not going to like coming to Lincoln to play big or B1G games.

 

[red rover 70]

Good post.
I think the key will be how long it takes the players to understand the coaches new approach. Once they become familiar then they can play without thinking. And that's when our talent will shine.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

We will win games that matter. We will upset people; and grow to be favored over most. Two years ago Oregon beat OSU by one; teams are not going to like coming to Lincoln to play big or B1G games.

Two years ago they also lost to FCS Eastern Washington, lost by 42 points to Washington, and finished 7-6 -tied for 4th/5th out of 6 teams in their division.

The only thing I really know about this d-coordinator...on espn radio they were interviewing some female insider that covered OSU shortly after the Riley hire...she basically said that Riley was possibly on his way out the door before the Nebraska job came knocking...mostly due to the fact that OSU was trying to force Riley to get rid of the DC and Riley wouldn't. Seems a little bit like the Callahan/Cozgrove situation.

I think Riley is a really nice guy...probably an average to slightly above average coach...not sure he can survive a bad defense.

 

[Cornicator]

Two years ago they also lost to FCS Eastern Washington, lost by 42 points to Washington, and finished 7-6 -tied for 4th/5th out of 6 teams in their division.

The only thing I really know about this d-coordinator...on espn radio they were interviewing some female insider that covered OSU shortly after the Riley hire...she basically said that Riley was possibly on his way out the door before the Nebraska job came knocking...mostly due to the fact that OSU was trying to force Riley to get rid of the DC and Riley wouldn't. Seems a little bit like the Callahan/Cozgrove situation.

I think Riley is a really nice guy...probably an average to slightly above average coach...not sure he can survive a bad defense.

If you come to conclusions because of some woman on National Radio, then I'm almost insulted to discuss football with you on the same football board.


As for the Cosgrove comparison, if Banker was "CosgroveEsque," he wouldn't have a job today, even with Riley's loyalty.

Kevin Cosgrove came from an era of 2 back, double tight offenses where QB's were statues. Banker coached in the Pac 12 which has been the most progressively diverse offensive league in college football over the last half decade. I can guarantee Banker and staff are going to look at Big Ten offenses and laugh.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

I came to the conclusion that he sucked by looking at his statistics. Her perspective that Riley was basically given an ultimatum was what I was talking about from her interview. I did not know that...nor do I even know if it is true...

By progressively diverse you mean that 8/12 teams run a pro style offense. 3 teams run a spread run offense (zona, utes, ducks) and one runs a pass happy spread (wash state). That really isn't much different than any other conference.

I do no think that the offenses are so much less complex in the Big that all of a sudden he is going to be an awesome defensive coordinator. He had plenty of problems stopping normal pro offenses that he will face in the BIG. Not to mention, I think most people thought when Nebraska joined the BIG that it was going to be an easy transition because the Big 12 offenses were so much better. Hasn't exactly worked out that way.

 

[Cornicator]

I came to the conclusion that he sucked by looking at his statistics. Her perspective that Riley was basically given an ultimatum was what I was talking about from her interview. I did not know that...nor do I even know if it is true...

By progressively diverse you mean that 8/12 teams run a pro style offense. 3 teams run a spread run offense (zona, utes, ducks) and one runs a pass happy spread (wash state). That really isn't much different than any other conference.

I do no think that the offenses are so much less complex in the Big that all of a sudden he is going to be an awesome defensive coordinator. He had plenty of problems stopping normal pro offenses that he will face in the BIG. Not to mention, I think most people thought when Nebraska joined the BIG that it was going to be an easy transition because the Big 12 offenses were so much better. Hasn't exactly worked out that way.

Lol... NIce simplistic assessment of the Pac 12. And way to just cherry pick stats from one season. Nevermind the fact Oregon State was forced to constantly rebuild and shoot for competing with Senior Laden teams every few seasons. You and every other ignorant fan on here who jumps to coaching conclusions because of stats are a weird bunch. And I'm not just talking about Oregon State.

If a cornerback gets beaten by a wideout, its the DB coaches fault.
If a Linebacker misses a tackle, lets fire the LB Coach.
If a QB fumbles a snap, the OC is to blame.

The Pac 12 is a progressively diverse conference because of the players in the league. The potency of the league stems from the talent and personnel. Teams like Cal or Washington or even Colorado may implement forms of Pro Style offenses, but they all have dynamic skill talent. They know how to score points and move the football. 9 of the 12 teams averaged more than 30 points per game. Those teams arent good teams, but they have high end talent. Hell, they might give up 40 points and 600 yards per game, but they're going to score 5 touchdowns and scare the shit out of you. You don't get that same fear in the Big Ten from the likes of Illinois or Purdue.

Maryland averaged 28 points per game, and they were 5th in the Big Ten in scoring. Colorado, a pretty crappy team, was 10th in total offense in the Pac 12 at 438 yards per game. That would've placed them 5th in the Big Ten.

Oregon State and Banker routinely faced opponents with high end talent. Every team in the league had a QB who could "muster the forward pass." In a sense, due to recruiting hurdles halting them from building quality depth, OSU was already behind the 8 ball. Add injuries, youth, and the overall talent of opponents, and there really wasn't really anything a DC could've done to shut down those OSU opponents in 2014.

If you want to claim Banker, Riley, and company will be shitty recruiters at Nebraska, I will listen to your argument. I feel like they've already seen some serious advantages in Lincoln and used them to their example. But that's just my own opinion.

However, if you want to try to claim Banker sucks because of Oregon State's 2014 stats, then spare me your ignorant and hollow take.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

If a cornerback gets beaten by a wideout, its the DB coaches fault.
If a Linebacker misses a tackle, lets fire the LB Coach.
If a QB fumbles a snap, the OC is to blame.

However, if you want to try to claim Banker sucks because of Oregon State's 2014 stats, then spare me your ignorant and hollow take.

I do not necessarily disagree with you...

To your last sentence, not based on 2014 statistics...basing it on pretty much his entire career. Maybe the change will do him good, I guess we can revisit this conversations after the results are in this season.

To the other point above...I think if the cornerbacks routinely get beat by WR's, then yes it is the coaches fault. If the linebackers routinely miss tackles, are in the wrong gaps, over pursue and take bad angles, then it is the DC and LB coaches fault. I think if the QB routinely fumbles the snap, there is either an issue with either the QB or the offensive line and it is up to the coaching staff to correct the issues. They get paid an unbelievable amount of money to coach a game. It is their job to get the players in a position to succeed. If they do not, then yes it is on the coaches.

I do not give the staff a pass for not having as talented players as at other schools. That is their responsibility to recruit. OSU was a top 25 team for many seasons, so there is no reason they could not have success recruiting good players. Not to mention the fact that the defense was blown up by teams like Eastern Washington which is an FCS school that is not as talented as Oregon State. So the lack of talent argument doesn't really hold water.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

I'm not a fan of the Banker hire but if we all learned anything over the last 7 seasons, it's previous success or failure means squat at the next stop. I'm not sure anyone would've predicted Pelini would hold some of the worse defensive performances in Husker history.

See previous post as reference.

Either Banker will pan out or he won't. I have little doubt coach Riley will make necessary changed pending each situation.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

I'm not a fan of the Banker hire but if we all learned anything over the last 7 seasons, it's previous success or failure means squat at the next stop. I'm not sure anyone would've predicted Pelini would hold some of the worse defensive performances in Husker history.

See previous post as reference.

Either Banker will pan out or he won't. I have little doubt coach Riley will make necessary changed pending each situation.

The last part is what I don't know. Will he really fire his best friend if his defense doesn't perform? What I know about Riley is that he is a helluva nice guy and is very loyal.

Hopefully, the defense will perform well and this never comes up.

 

[ReuniteGondwanaland]

We'll see soon enough how much of Banker's problems were him, and how much was the challenge of recruiting to Corvallis.

You can't completely ignore how much trouble they had competing with the glamor schools of the Pac-12. Most all of last year's OSU defense was made of recruits over the four years of 2011-2014.

Over the 2011-2014 years, OSU recruited one 4-star player for Banker's defense. That player missed a year due to illness, half of the next with injury, then took a medical hardship. It's tough to compete if you don't have the athletes.

Obviously 4-stars aren't a guarantee of success, our likely best player on defense is a 3-star in Collins but on average you're better off with higher rated players. Trying to field a whole team with hidden gems is difficult. (OSU recruited 6 total high 3-star players for defense 2011-2014.)

I like Banker's scheme better for the Big Ten than Pelini's, and maybe with DBs who can move he can slow down a spread offense. I hope he isn't as stubborn as Pelini but differently so, and doesn't insist on playing a straight 4-3 in every situation.

 

[dockentwo]

Thanks ReuniteGondwana , its a funny thing. You mention OSU recruited 6 total 3 stsr players for D in 11-14; I am guessing Ohio State had at least that many per position on D in the same years ( many 4 and 5 stars ). Alabama, runs more than that off every year to make room for new players.

 

[knightwxc5000]

You Huskerelini fans never stop.

POTFW

 

[ssmith84]

I do not necessarily disagree with you...

To your last sentence, not based on 2014 statistics...basing it on pretty much his entire career. Maybe the change will do him good, I guess we can revisit this conversations after the results are in this season.

To the other point above...I think if the cornerbacks routinely get beat by WR's, then yes it is the coaches fault. If the linebackers routinely miss tackles, are in the wrong gaps, over pursue and take bad angles, then it is the DC and LB coaches fault. I think if the QB routinely fumbles the snap, there is either an issue with either the QB or the offensive line and it is up to the coaching staff to correct the issues. They get paid an unbelievable amount of money to coach a game. It is their job to get the players in a position to succeed. If they do not, then yes it is on the coaches.

I do not give the staff a pass for not having as talented players as at other schools. That is their responsibility to recruit. OSU was a top 25 team for many seasons, so there is no reason they could not have success recruiting good players. Not to mention the fact that the defense was blown up by teams like Eastern Washington which is an FCS school that is not as talented as Oregon State. So the lack of talent argument doesn't really hold water.

Which EWU game are you talking about? I keep finding a 49-46 scoreline. Just for accuracy's sake. Maybe saying they gave up a buttload of points to EWU. But then again, EWU did have soon to be Oregon starting QB Vernon Adams Jr at the helm, who to quote ESPN "did everything" that day.

But none of that matters. As HTO pointed out, he will either work or he won't. I am somewhat optimistic because Banker's defensive philosophy sounds a lot like Narduzzi's, but its not about philosophy, its about teaching and executing the philosophy. We will see how it goes.

 

[Cornicator]

I do not necessarily disagree with you...

To your last sentence, not based on 2014 statistics...basing it on pretty much his entire career. Maybe the change will do him good, I guess we can revisit this conversations after the results are in this season.

To the other point above...I think if the cornerbacks routinely get beat by WR's, then yes it is the coaches fault. If the linebackers routinely miss tackles, are in the wrong gaps, over pursue and take bad angles, then it is the DC and LB coaches fault. I think if the QB routinely fumbles the snap, there is either an issue with either the QB or the offensive line and it is up to the coaching staff to correct the issues. They get paid an unbelievable amount of money to coach a game. It is their job to get the players in a position to succeed. If they do not, then yes it is on the coaches.

I do not give the staff a pass for not having as talented players as at other schools. That is their responsibility to recruit. OSU was a top 25 team for many seasons, so there is no reason they could not have success recruiting good players. Not to mention the fact that the defense was blown up by teams like Eastern Washington which is an FCS school that is not as talented as Oregon State. So the lack of talent argument doesn't really hold water.

In about 8 cases out of 10, the WR is just more talented than the Cornerback. Coaching might help you with technique, the bump at the line, and your footwork, but if the WR is simply, bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than you, he's going to beat you regardless of the coaching.


The last bolded sentence illustrates your disconnect. The talent at Oregon State was MUCH CLOSER to an FCS Power like Eastern Washington. That season especially, EWU was returning 18 starters from an FCS Semifinal team the previous season. Did Oregon State have higher end talent? Sure, but to say use that game as some type of strange gauge for Banker's worth is off base. Oregon State routinely recruited the same players as Eastern Washington.

Banker's defenses, in some ways, had the same ebb and flow of success as a program like Iowa. When both programs have experienced and senior laden squads, they usually played good defense. But, when they repeatedly had to insert developmental players with a lot of innexperience, those defenses often struggled.

I believe Banker will reap some benefits of coaching at Nebraska. The Huskers aren't recuiting like Florida State. But the can still attract players like Maliek Collins, Dedrick Young, Gerry, Mike Rose, Vince, and McMullen.

 

[ReuniteGondwanaland]

Thanks ReuniteGondwana , its a funny thing. You mention OSU recruited 6 total 3 stsr players for D in 11-14; I am guessing Ohio State had at least that many per position on D in the same years ( many 4 and 5 stars ). Alabama, runs more than that off every year to make room for new players.

HIgh 3-star players at least, OSU recruited 6 5.7 level players for defense in that time, the high-end 3 stars. Ohio State usually has less than 25% of their class as mid 3-star and below. Less than a dozen the last two years (FWIW 2 of those lower ranked players were two we wanted, Burrow and Jurkovic).

Can't let Riley and Banker off the hook for poor recruiting, but Corvallis is a hard sell. It's a really nice town and a great place to live if you're not a young college student but it makes Lincoln look cosmopolitan and they don't have anything special in facilities or tradition.

 

[SnohomishRed]

In about 8 cases out of 10, the WR is just more talented than the Cornerback. Coaching might help you with technique, the bump at the line, and your footwork, but if the WR is simply, bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than you, he's going to beat you regardless of the coaching.


The last bolded sentence illustrates your disconnect. The talent at Oregon State was MUCH CLOSER to an FCS Power like Eastern Washington. That season especially, EWU was returning 18 starters from an FCS Semifinal team the previous season. Did Oregon State have higher end talent? Sure, but to say use that game as some type of strange gauge for Banker's worth is off base. Oregon State routinely recruited the same players as Eastern Washington.

Banker's defenses, in some ways, had the same ebb and flow of success as a program like Iowa. When both programs have experienced and senior laden squads, they usually played good defense. But, when they repeatedly had to insert developmental players with a lot of innexperience, those defenses often struggled.

I believe Banker will reap some benefits of coaching at Nebraska. The Huskers aren't recuiting like Florida State. But the can still attract players like Maliek Collins, Dedrick Young, Gerry, Mike Rose, Vince, and McMullen.

OSU did not recruit the same players as Eastern Washington if anything WSU would be in the same area where they pull recruits.

Also yes Banker was on the ropes at OSU and No Riley will not make a change if he does not work out - no way that is going to happen.

That said I do believe his style will play better in the Big10 and we also look pretty good on the interior Dline for the next few years which will also greatly help him.

I am hopeful but to really succeed Banker needs to show something he has not ever ever shown which is to coach a championship level defense - At least he should be an upgrade over the abomination we have seen the last 4 years