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The 1% blunder: How a simple but fatal math mistake by US Covid-19 experts caused the world to panic

As opposed to fear of minorities “ruining” the country, the media and a “deep state”, loss of “liberties” or “freedoms”, being afraid of a piece of fabric on their face. The entire modern conservative movement is driven by fear of change, loss of identity and conspiracy theories.

What about my body my choice? ha ha ha Only when killing babies.
 
US already has suffered crazy death totals. Deaths per million people, US(574 dead per million) has higher rate than Mexico, Germany, Canada, France. The Gov response to Covid is a disgrace and a scandal.
New York really hurts those numbers. Any comments about the leaders there?
 
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New York leads US deaths tallying up over 17% of the total deaths. I’m assuming you are very upset with their leadership???

Yes, I’m fact I posted months ago that numbers from the Lombardy region of Italy along with NYC heavily skewed data and led to some bad decisions for rural areas as a result.
 
As opposed to fear of minorities “ruining” the country, the media and a “deep state”, loss of “liberties” or “freedoms”, being afraid of a piece of fabric on their face. The entire modern conservative movement is driven by fear of change, loss of identity and conspiracy theories.
This is a very cliche representation of "conservatives". Right leaning people want change just as much as left leaning people, they just prefer empirical evidence that a change is advantageous whereas "liberals" tend to see problems and are willing to make changes based on how they "feel" it will work out.
 
As opposed to fear of minorities “ruining” the country, the media and a “deep state”, loss of “liberties” or “freedoms”, being afraid of a piece of fabric on their face. The entire modern conservative movement is driven by fear of change, loss of identity and conspiracy theories.
Gee.. The conservative group I belong to believes in personal responsibility, the preservation of unborn life, the right to free speech, the right to protect themselves with a firearm, balanced budgets, legal immigration, enforcement of our laws, providing for a strong defense, etc etc. Not one of us is afraid of minorities. Many of us are minorities or have family members who are minorities. The modern conservative movement is driven by a desire to save our country from the fate of failed socialist/communist states like Venezuela and Cuba.
 
As opposed to fear of minorities “ruining” the country, the media and a “deep state”, loss of “liberties” or “freedoms”, being afraid of a piece of fabric on their face. The entire modern conservative movement is driven by fear of change, loss of identity and conspiracy theories.

I hope your clown hat is lined with tin foil as you write the garbage from your basement.

Notice my message didn't include a political party. Your #TDS is showing.
 
Gee.. The conservative group I belong to believes in personal responsibility, the preservation of unborn life, the right to free speech, the right to protect themselves with a firearm, balanced budgets, legal immigration, enforcement of our laws, providing for a strong defense, etc etc. Not one of us is afraid of minorities. Many of us are minorities or have family members who are minorities. The modern conservative movement is driven by a desire to save our country from the fate of failed socialist/communist states like Venezuela and Cuba.
"Balanced budgets" is not entirely accurate. "Less government spending" is probably a better way of describing it. Liberals want a balanced budget as well, but it doesn't mean the same thing in practice.
 
I'd say Cuomo has done OK. They shut down everything pretty quick and mandated masks in April. You wanna play games? Look at the numbers between Omaha and Lincoln. Seems like the D Mayor in Lincoln has done a much better job of managing the crisis than the R Mayor in Omaha. And Lincoln HS are playing sports. Huh, I wonder if there is a connection? If Trump would have provided any leadership whatsoever, could the B10 be playing football right now? Hmmmm.....
LOL. They never did close down the subways. Cuomo's a fool. His mandate on pushing COVID positive patients in to nursing homes overwhelmed his ICUs. He and his follower neighboring governors killed thousands of people needlessly. That was a criminal act.
 
we can order all the hydroxychloroquine we want - it isn’t being prescribed because the evidence doesn’t support it

as a patient you have plenty of choices - if you or a loved one needs transfer to an large medical center - insist you will only go if they are going to give you hydroxychloroquine

you can choose which doctor you go to

Except it IS being prescribed. In Nebraska. And it’s working. My brother-in-law is proof (just in the last 2 weeks). It doesn’t work in EVERY situation, that has been well documented. It also DOES work in many situations, which has also been well documented. Some people just choose to ignore the differences in circumstances.
 
I don't evaluate based on the D or R behind the name. I'm a realist. Seems rare on these boards, but when someone has credible criticism of my side, I acknowledge it, rather than blaming the media, hollywood, the deep state, pedophile cannibals, immigrants, minorities, etc. It's simple once you get the hang of it. In the absence of any Federal leadership, and considering NYC is the largest municipality in the US, primary gateway to the rest of the world, I'd say Cuomo has done OK. They shut down everything pretty quick and mandated masks in April. You wanna play games? Look at the numbers between Omaha and Lincoln. Seems like the D Mayor in Lincoln has done a much better job of managing the crisis than the R Mayor in Omaha. And Lincoln HS are playing sports. Huh, I wonder if there is a connection? If Trump would have provided any leadership whatsoever, could the B10 be playing football right now? Hmmmm.....

But the schools in the big ten that are apparently voting to not play are all run by left wing governors. They had the opportunity to provide the necessary leadership but they didn't. States should run states. What works in South Dakota or Wyoming probably won't work in New York City and vice versa. From my point of view, Trump did provide leadership, he put in to place travel bans put together a task force that provided guidance. The travel ban probably saved tons of lives by itself. Then he allowed the states to handle the virus locally. Some succeeded, some failed. But the local leaders didn't really want to lead and those that did, and made poor decisions blame Trump because it is the easy thing to do.

Cuomo killed 6400 people on his own and you think he did OK? ha ha ha

You site 2 cities in Nebraska as proof that democrats managed the situation better?

The unemployment rates in NY and California account for a huge number of the total unemployment rate in the country. Imagine that, locked down states run by dems.
 
"Balanced budgets" is not entirely accurate. "Less government spending" is probably a better way of describing it. Liberals want a balanced budget as well, but it doesn't mean the same thing in practice.
either way. I'm a very fiscally conservative guy, but I've told many people that I wouldn't mind the 100K+ I pay in income tax so much IF I knew that they were going to control spending and pay down some debt. It's ludicrous. Over 50% of each additional dollar I make right now goes to Uncle Sam. If the democrats had their way it would be 90%.
 
I don't evaluate based on the D or R behind the name. I'm a realist. Seems rare on these boards, but when someone has credible criticism of my side, I acknowledge it, rather than blaming the media, hollywood, the deep state, pedophile cannibals, immigrants, minorities, etc. It's simple once you get the hang of it. In the absence of any Federal leadership, and considering NYC is the largest municipality in the US, primary gateway to the rest of the world, I'd say Cuomo has done OK. They shut down everything pretty quick and mandated masks in April. You wanna play games? Look at the numbers between Omaha and Lincoln. Seems like the D Mayor in Lincoln has done a much better job of managing the crisis than the R Mayor in Omaha. And Lincoln HS are playing sports. Huh, I wonder if there is a connection? If Trump would have provided any leadership whatsoever, could the B10 be playing football right now? Hmmmm.....

Turns out the Mayors don't make the decisions about school sports. Who knew? You would if you were doing anything other than being a dishonest charlatan. Your whataboutism and strawman arguments only seem clever to 1 group.

The only thing Cuomo has done well is get the media to support him. And every time they do people point out NY's world leading death rate, nursing home deaths, leaving subways open and not disinfecting them, lockdowns that destroyed the economy there, etc. Why do you think so many people are moving?

Why do you think Sweden's infecion/death graphs look so similar to NY? Is it because NY's lockdowns did nothing because they were too late? And then they reached heard immunity and their dipshit gov and mayor took numerous victory laps saying how well the did despite screwing everything up? It's comical. That's a way longer response than you deserve.
 
either way. I'm a very fiscally conservative guy, but I've told many people that I wouldn't mind the 100K+ I pay in income tax so much IF I knew that they were going to control spending and pay down some debt. It's ludicrous. Over 50% of each additional dollar I make right now goes to Uncle Sam. If the democrats had their way it would be 90%.
It would be kind of fun to have a way to specify where you want your tax dollars to go, just so we could see where peoples priorities are.
 
Turns out the Mayors don't make the decisions about school sports. Who knew? You would if you were doing anything other than being a dishonest charlatan. Your whataboutism and strawman arguments only seem clever to 1 group.

The only thing Cuomo has done well is get the media to support him. And every time they do people point out NY's world leading death rate, nursing home deaths, leaving subways open and not disinfecting them, lockdowns that destroyed the economy there, etc. Why do you think so many people are moving?

Why do you think Sweden's infecion/death graphs look so similar to NY? Is it because NY's lockdowns did nothing because they were too late? And then they reached heard immunity and their dipshit gov and mayor took numerous victory laps saying how well the did despite screwing everything up? It's comical. That's a way longer response than you deserve.
He’s nothing but a mouth breathing, hate filled lefty, all he brings in reality is anger and disdain, which is very typical of his ilk.
 
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Except it IS being prescribed. In Nebraska. And it’s working. My brother-in-law is proof (just in the last 2 weeks). It doesn’t work in EVERY situation, that has been well documented. It also DOES work in many situations, which has also been well documented. Some people just choose to ignore the differences in circumstances.

im glad your brother in law got better - every randomized control trial to date (there have been 8) studying various phases of the disease says that HCQ had nothing to do with it

hopefully someone will show in a RCT a subset of patients that do benefit so therapy can be targeted

anecdotes aren’t evidence
 
But the schools in the big ten that are apparently voting to not play are all run by left wing governors. They had the opportunity to provide the necessary leadership but they didn't. States should run states. What works in South Dakota or Wyoming probably won't work in New York City and vice versa. From my point of view, Trump did provide leadership, he put in to place travel bans put together a task force that provided guidance. The travel ban probably saved tons of lives by itself. Then he allowed the states to handle the virus locally. Some succeeded, some failed. But the local leaders didn't really want to lead and those that did, and made poor decisions blame Trump because it is the easy thing to do.

Cuomo killed 6400 people on his own and you think he did OK? ha ha ha

You site 2 cities in Nebraska as proof that democrats managed the situation better?

The unemployment rates in NY and California account for a huge number of the total unemployment rate in the country. Imagine that, locked down states run by dems.
you ascribe results based on political leadership but there are a lot of other factors. we see a lot of the same issues with republican leadership when they are involved in the biggest states/cities in the world like Cali and NY. Its not a coincidence that the the most densely populated cities have the most unemployed regardless of who is governing
 
Gee.. The conservative group I belong to believes in personal responsibility, the preservation of unborn life, the right to free speech, the right to protect themselves with a firearm, balanced budgets, legal immigration, enforcement of our laws, providing for a strong defense, etc etc. Not one of us is afraid of minorities. Many of us are minorities or have family members who are minorities. The modern conservative movement is driven by a desire to save our country from the fate of failed socialist/communist states like Venezuela and Cuba.

But cares little about the outcome once their born, right to free speech while whining about the liberal media, while being ambivalent to the lives lost because of it, balanced budgets? When was the last balanced budget from either side? Enforcement of laws, except ones that they don’t agree with like mask requirements.

The last part, labeling every effort that tries to solve social issues as socialism or communism because of fear of tiny, failed countries that have little in common with the US. And calling for personal responsibility for others after growing up with highly taxpayer subsidized education and a thriving job market is pretty easy.
 
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Gee.. The conservative group I belong to believes in personal responsibility, the preservation of unborn life, the right to free speech, the right to protect themselves with a firearm, balanced budgets, legal immigration, enforcement of our laws, providing for a strong defense, etc etc. Not one of us is afraid of minorities. Many of us are minorities or have family members who are minorities. The modern conservative movement is driven by a desire to save our country from the fate of failed socialist/communist states like Venezuela and Cuba.

Yeah, that makes sense. US Dems basically want the country to be like Cuba or Venezuela. They just don't realize it. That makes sense. Magical thinking is a thing to behold.
 
im glad your brother in law got better - every randomized control trial to date studying various phases of the disease says that HCQ had nothing to do with it

hopefully someone will show in a RCT a subset of patients that do benefit so therapy can be targeted

anecdotes aren’t evidence
the problem is you CANNOT say the drug is why the patient got better. the patient may have got better without the drug.
you will never know.
thats why randomized prospective double blind placebo controlled trials are mandatory for concluding efficacy of treatments.
sometimes a medicine does work in a small number of patients but not very well or not very frequently. with side effects as part of the decision that medicine would be relegated to the back of the line. my neighbors dad also got better with Hydroxy. i'm glad he did. but we will never know if he just got better on his own or if it was actually the medicine. when they attempted to prove that the drug works more often than a placebo it didn't come out positive. as long as it doesn't cause a lot of side effects they can use it because it won't hurt anybody. but if patients get better it isnt necessarily the drug. MOST patients get better. that makes them just like the majority of patients who didn't take the drug
 
either way. I'm a very fiscally conservative guy, but I've told many people that I wouldn't mind the 100K+ I pay in income tax so much IF I knew that they were going to control spending and pay down some debt. It's ludicrous. Over 50% of each additional dollar I make right now goes to Uncle Sam. If the democrats had their way it would be 90%.
thats a large exaggeration. it will never be 90% no matter who is in charge
 
But cares little about the outcome once their born, right to free speech while whining about the liberal media, while being ambivalent to the lives lost because of it, balanced budgets? When was the last balanced budget from either side? Enforcement of laws, except ones that they don’t agree with like mask requirements.

The last part, labeling every effort that tries to solve social issues as socialism or communism because of fear of tiny, failed countries that have little in common with the US. And calling for personal responsibility for others after growing up with highly taxpayer subsidized education and a thriving job market is pretty easy.
Yeah you're right. Conservatives want babies to starve.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Typical leftist. Our government gives billions to programs for whacked out art programs and other similar idiocy. We don't need to be doing that. I also think you VASTLY over state the level of federal subsidies that went to education when I was growing up. It was virtually zero and it should be. Federal subsidies promote market inefficiencies. That's a bad thing. Right now we've got WAY too many kids attending liberal arts colleges who would be MUCH better off economically getting a technical degree.
 
the problem is you CANNOT say the drug is why the patient got better. the patient may have got better without the drug.
you will never know.
thats why randomized prospective double blind placebo controlled trials are mandatory for concluding efficacy of treatments.
sometimes a medicine does work in a small number of patients but not very well or not very frequently. with side effects as part of the decision that medicine would be relegated to the back of the line. my neighbors dad also got better with Hydroxy. i'm glad he did. but we will never know if he just got better on his own or if it was actually the medicine. when they attempted to prove that the drug works more often than a placebo it didn't come out positive. as long as it doesn't cause a lot of side effects they can use it because it won't hurt anybody. but if patients get better it isnt necessarily the drug. MOST patients get better. that makes them just like the majority of patients who didn't take the drug

u respond to the wrong post?
 
thats a large exaggeration. it will never be 90% no matter who is in charge
the highest tax rate before Reagan took office was over 70%. IF we add the Self Employment tax that I pay to that number it gets close to 90%. IF you actually listen to what the dems are proposing, it could happen. AOC proposes 70% right now. Give her and her leftist buddies the White House and that number will go up. Upper bracket rates in the 60s were OVER 90% which of course led to our economic doldrums in the 70s.
 
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the highest tax rate before Reagan took office was over 70%. IF we add the Self Employment tax that I pay to that number it gets close to 90%. IF you actually listen to what the dems are proposing, it could happen. AOC proposes 70% right now. Give her and her leftist buddies the White House and that number will go up. Upper bracket rates in the 60s were OVER 90% which of course led to our economic doldrums in the 70s.

Have you taken into account that some people feel like that could not happen?
 
Ruin their lives? We’ve been told by people on this board that things are normal, anyone can get a job who wants one and un-employment numbers aren’t a big deal.

And besides, the rate for those over 25 who are unemployed is 7.6%, meaning people under 25 are more likely to be unemployed. They have decades to make up for this, so who’s lives are “ruined”? Why didn’t they just save up for a rainy day?

Total clown post. Typical.
 
I read a interesting article about dr Fauci and how he’s in bed with China and big pharmaceutical. I’ll try and find the article and post the link, but you’ll see a lot of deniers on this board they think Fauci walks on water
Joe Herring did a piece on fauci on kfab several weeks ago. VERY critical of him. Said he has refused promotion several times because the amount of money he making off pharmaceuticals etc in his position. Said he's the highest paid government official. Wish I could remember what he cited as source(s)
 
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Yeah you're right. Conservatives want babies to starve.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Typical leftist. Our government gives billions to programs for whacked out art programs and other similar idiocy. We don't need to be doing that. I also think you VASTLY over state the level of federal subsidies that went to education when I was growing up. It was virtually zero and it should be. Federal subsidies promote market inefficiencies. That's a bad thing. Right now we've got WAY too many kids attending liberal arts colleges who would be MUCH better off economically getting a technical degree.

There’s a difference between wanting something and not caring, I said (with a wide brush) that they don’t care. They don’t view it as their problem to solve.

And state funding has been the primary cut, an article here talks about it, but I’m sure it won’t change your mind in the slightest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/12/baby-boomers-and-the-end-of-higher-education/

 
Typical lack of discussion or debate of things or ideas.

because there really is never debate or discussion of things or ideas.

The typical democrat, especially those that consider themselves woke or progressive, tell you what they believe and if you don't agree then you are simply told you're wrong, racist, xenophobe, or whatever other name they can come up with, for not agreeing with them. you can skip me with the typical lack of discussion idea.
 
because there really is never debate or discussion of things or ideas.

The typical democrat, especially those that consider themselves woke or progressive, tell you what they believe and if you don't agree then you are simply told you're wrong, racist, xenophobe, or whatever other name they can come up with, for not agreeing with them. you can skip me with the typical lack of discussion idea.

And what does the typical “Republican“ do? I didn’t quote you did I? Crazy idea, let’s just be human and discuss things?
 
What side is out rioting and screaming in people's faces to agree with them?? I'll patiently await your response. Lol

Both “sides” at various points this year have had protests and have participated in riots, much as I don’t think it’s fair to label all cops bad based on the actions of a few, it’s also not fair to label a whole group based on the actions of a small subset of them.
 
You are wasting your time. A subset of the population would rather read the Russian Times than learn about population health. Remember when people screamed "death panals" because Obama wanted to reimburse clinicians when they discussed end of life care with patients? Now that party doesn't care about >180K deaths/6 months. And they really don't care about the elderly, disabled, and immunosuppressed. You can also add the obese and those with type 2 DM. There should be robust arguments about how to balance population health safety and the economy. However, there is not one legitimate argument that there is some kind of world-wide conspiracy against Trump and his supporters....

This is easily inverted. Your side was okay with death panels, but now you say old and infirm people dying is an abnormal thing. BTW, speaking of caring about the vulnerable . . .

https://freebeacon.com/issues/north...-ensue-between-the-physicians-and-the-mother/

you guys scream you want to abolish the death penalty, keeping the likes of Charles Manson alive, but if you're defenseless and innocent . . .


Northam on Abortion Bill: Infant Could Be Delivered and Then ‘Physicians and the Mother’ Could Decide If It Lives
 
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Both “sides” at various points this year have had protests and have participated in riots, much as I don’t think it’s fair to label all cops bad based on the actions of a few, it’s also not fair to label a whole group based on the actions of a small subset of them.

It's a bit different when you have the leaders of one side actually calling for the unrest.
 
Both “sides” at various points this year have had protests and have participated in riots, much as I don’t think it’s fair to label all cops bad based on the actions of a few, it’s also not fair to label a whole group based on the actions of a small subset of them.

Notice what Don Lemon says: "the rioting has to stop, it's showing up in the polls" ... that's an admission that the rioting isn't a spontaneous reaction to injustice ... it's a calculated ploy to swing votes . . . your side has basically said, "Put us in power or we won't stop the violence" ... that's a good argument to take away power from the left.

 
Typical lack of discussion or debate of things or ideas.

When 40 million people were out of work, racking up debt just to live, burning through savings, losing everything they have and you claim lives aren't ruined there isn't much to discuss or debate.

If you want to debate a topic try not being smug and disingenuous.

Here's a topic. You were overwhelmingly for staying home until there is a vaccine. That policy idea ruined people's lives and businesses. You're fine with suicides and overdoses rising due to these policy decisions. So you don't really care about lives, you care about control.

If you were able to limit virus deaths, but increase deaths in other areas and destroy people financially and made their lives miserable that's not much of a solution. And it's a significant point many here have made. The solution has been worse than the problem.
 
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