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StrongArm517

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I have ever seen Riley in a postgame.

Need to go back and rewatch it, but he seemed totally disgusted by what he saw. Wonder what exactly he's pointing at because by the end, I was feeling much better about the performance and that it was good win for a first game. But if he's that displeased, hopefully there's alot to look forward to.

Any thoughts?
 
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Amusing that he mentioned the "look at me" celebration penalties after what he termed almost every good play. Did Mike just realize he's coaching the Selfie Generation?
 
He spelled it out in his presser. Lousy special teams, dumb penalties, and inconsistent offense.[/QUOTE

How could he be upset with special teams? He has a FULL time coach devoted to that area and Read doesn't recruit worth a flip that I know of (no mention of him by recruits). I also think it's absurd the amount of money he makes (3rd highest paid asst.coach I believe).
 
The bad special teams is something they can fix - might mean moving in a few starters to special team roles. The penalties and sloppy play seem like a hang over of the Pelini era - we did it so often under Bo and can't seem to shake it. Clearly Bo is not around causing this - I just think some of the game habits have not been effectively fixed by Riley's staff. They need to get it figured out quick.
 
That was one of the more boring Nebraska games I've been too in quite sometime. Winning the second half 29-0 was very nice though.
 
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The bad special teams is something they can fix - might mean moving in a few starters to special team roles. The penalties and sloppy play seem like a hang over of the Pelini era - we did it so often under Bo and can't seem to shake it. Clearly Bo is not around causing this - I just think some of the game habits have not been effectively fixed by Riley's staff. They need to get it figured out quick.
For the record, Riley's teams were penalized quite a bit at Oregon State. I don't know the exact numbers, but it was posted a couple times last season.
 
Last year he knew his team was behind the 8 ball, this year he thinks he has a more full product, and to him, it underperformed. It's good to see from a game that seemed to get stronger as it went on.

I agree...we did underperform but the most improvement is between games 1 and 2.
 
It was a decent opener in the end. Weak opponent, and we ended up with a victory margin which matched that. But there were good opening performances by several other BIG teams, with similar or even better victory margins, so can't get too excited yet. It is so hard to tell anything from the first games, since so many are mismatches. I was disappointed that Tommy didn't have a better pass pct, though I didn't see any rotten decisions. I continue to think that Newby needs to be moved down the RB depth chart. I hope getting Gerry back helps the defense overall; the D is going to have to play a lot better by the time Oregon gets here.
 
Amusing that he mentioned the "look at me" celebration penalties after what he termed almost every good play. Did Mike just realize he's coaching the Selfie Generation?

The "look at me" personal foul penalties will get fixed or you don't play. Offenders will be running steps soon if things don't change.
 
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Perfect motivational tone. Setting the tone to get some work done.

Agreed better to address these with a win and clean it up. Need to come out and work on things next week but start strong. Should not be in doubt next week but need to show up be crisp and get some guys some more reps as it gets real moving forward after week 3

This team has to show up fast and bury Wyoming. Many programs are down this morning with upsets and beatings yesterday. Our guys have some stuff to clean up and hopefully get this stuff fixed moving forward. Other than OSU I don't see a team that we without them playing a bad game and us playing game of our kives we can't be in position to win.

That being said we also can be beaten as well and teams can look at us this way.
 
I admit to not being able to watch the first half as I was traveling. The second half was not all that inspiring. At times Fresno helped us out with dropped and tipped balls. The blitzed a lot and couldn't contain to save their butts. When an O lineman comes around the corner he actually needs to hit someone - anyone would be fine. Looked too often like running a drill.

It seemed like Riley wanted to set the tone and no matter what was not going to get away from running the ball. The interview with TA after the game to me didn't show a great deal of excitement from him. They stop us on the first drive and then they take it nearly the length of the field. Missed field goal and missed opportunity late in the game. D was late on some of the typical out routes that kill us.

I liked how the backs ran. We are deep there for sure.

Glad for the win, a grind them down win. There was no attempt to hit the big plays all night, it was clear what MR and company wanted to accomplish.

We had way too much beating of the chest though and that will go away when someone smacks them back which Fresno was unable to do.
 
Here's the thing about the penalties though. It was 7 penalties for 80 yards. Take off one and 15 yards for the total and complete BS targeting penalty on Luke Gifford. Take off another 15 yards and one penalty for the total and complete BS punt catch interference penalty. Right there you drop that to 5 and 50 which isn't excellent but is much better. Then you have the two celebration penalties. Clearly some here feel different, I think they were crap, I've seen players celebrate a heck of a lot more than either Darlington or Aaron Williams and not get called. Heck, I saw a Fresno State player stand practically in Tre Bryant's face after getting a pretty hard hit on him (after he had just run for an 11 yard gain, mind you) and flex his arms for a good long time, from my perspective easily as bad as anything the penalized Husker players did, and no penalty was called. Take out those two and another 20 yards (penalty on Aaron Williams was only 5 because it was half the distance) and now you're down to 3 penalties for 30 yards. Then you have the ticky tack facemask penalty (I don't think he really grabbed it long enough to warrant a flag, they got rid of the 5 yard facemask penalty to get rid of calls for minor or incidental grabbing, not to make all minor and incidental grabbing a 15 yard penalty), the unsportsmanlike on Utter which I never saw a replay to see what he did to warrant it (that penalty was only 10 yards because it was half the distance) and the illegal formation, which I need to go back and watch because I remember that being called on us a few times last year, and watching the replay and not for the life of me being able to figure out what was "illegal" about the formation.

Of course Riley is upset about the penalties, he's the head coach, that's what he's supposed to do. In the end, however, when you take into account the, sadly all too common, God awful officiating, I'm not all that worried about. Only so much you can do when you have clueless, bumbling fools on the field masquerading as the refs.
 
Here's the thing about the penalties though. It was 7 penalties for 80 yards. Take off one and 15 yards for the total and complete BS targeting penalty on Luke Gifford. Take off another 15 yards and one penalty for the total and complete BS punt catch interference penalty. Right there you drop that to 5 and 50 which isn't excellent but is much better. Then you have the two celebration penalties. Clearly some here feel different, I think they were crap, I've seen players celebrate a heck of a lot more than either Darlington or Aaron Williams and not get called. Heck, I saw a Fresno State player stand practically in Tre Bryant's face after getting a pretty hard hit on him (after he had just run for an 11 yard gain, mind you) and flex his arms for a good long time, from my perspective easily as bad as anything the penalized Husker players did, and no penalty was called. Take out those two and another 20 yards (penalty on Aaron Williams was only 5 because it was half the distance) and now you're down to 3 penalties for 30 yards. Then you have the ticky tack facemask penalty (I don't think he really grabbed it long enough to warrant a flag, they got rid of the 5 yard facemask penalty to get rid of calls for minor or incidental grabbing, not to make all minor and incidental grabbing a 15 yard penalty), the unsportsmanlike on Utter which I never saw a replay to see what he did to warrant it (that penalty was only 10 yards because it was half the distance) and the illegal formation, which I need to go back and watch because I remember that being called on us a few times last year, and watching the replay and not for the life of me being able to figure out what was "illegal" about the formation.

Of course Riley is upset about the penalties, he's the head coach, that's what he's supposed to do. In the end, however, when you take into account the, sadly all too common, God awful officiating, I'm not all that worried about. Only so much you can do when you have clueless, bumbling fools on the field masquerading as the refs.
Thanks for this analysis, I planned to do something similar later today, but you saved me the trouble. Wasn't one of the 7 the delay of game for the missing man punt, which FS declined? What Darlington did will get flagged every time and 15 yarders assessed on KOs are huge. They can't really sit him since he has been working on chemistry with Brown, so I hope he gets some stadium steps.
 
Amusing that he mentioned the "look at me" celebration penalties after what he termed almost every good play. Did Mike just realize he's coaching the Selfie Generation?


I thought that crap had been around since the Mark Gastineau Sack Dances and the Redskins Fun bunch stuff. Although that old stuff was maybe more celebratory and today's jersey popping and chest thumping is more of a look at me type thing. Stupid none the less.
 
Here's the thing about the penalties though. It was 7 penalties for 80 yards. Take off one and 15 yards for the total and complete BS targeting penalty on Luke Gifford. Take off another 15 yards and one penalty for the total and complete BS punt catch interference penalty. Right there you drop that to 5 and 50 which isn't excellent but is much better. Then you have the two celebration penalties. Clearly some here feel different, I think they were crap, I've seen players celebrate a heck of a lot more than either Darlington or Aaron Williams and not get called. Heck, I saw a Fresno State player stand practically in Tre Bryant's face after getting a pretty hard hit on him (after he had just run for an 11 yard gain, mind you) and flex his arms for a good long time, from my perspective easily as bad as anything the penalized Husker players did, and no penalty was called. Take out those two and another 20 yards (penalty on Aaron Williams was only 5 because it was half the distance) and now you're down to 3 penalties for 30 yards. Then you have the ticky tack facemask penalty (I don't think he really grabbed it long enough to warrant a flag, they got rid of the 5 yard facemask penalty to get rid of calls for minor or incidental grabbing, not to make all minor and incidental grabbing a 15 yard penalty), the unsportsmanlike on Utter which I never saw a replay to see what he did to warrant it (that penalty was only 10 yards because it was half the distance) and the illegal formation, which I need to go back and watch because I remember that being called on us a few times last year, and watching the replay and not for the life of me being able to figure out what was "illegal" about the formation.

Of course Riley is upset about the penalties, he's the head coach, that's what he's supposed to do. In the end, however, when you take into account the, sadly all too common, God awful officiating, I'm not all that worried about. Only so much you can do when you have clueless, bumbling fools on the field masquerading as the refs.


what you point out is 100% accurate -- the enforcement of these celebration/taunting rules is completely arbitrary. The fact they are called so inconsistently is precisely why, however, any but the most vanilla of celebrations should be quelled by the coaching staff. The area is so gray that you can't give an official any reason to throw a flag. Pump your fist and go back to the huddle. To be clear I am not against the celebrations but as long as the risk of getting a 15 yard penalty and killing your team is there you cannot risk it.
 
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Riley seems a little tense these days.

I perceive by his body language and words he was for dismissing Coach W, but Bounds and Eichorst convinced him to keep him. He gets a real dark look when it comes up and said he can't have a "high-maintenance" program. The arrest has no doubt caused a ton of extra work for him and the other coaches.

I perceive there might have been a disconnect between him and Langsdorf about the game plan. He said in both the post-game presser and the radio interview later something about "I didn't think it was going to look like that" when asked about how much the team ran the ball. You can't blame Langs, we were running pretty well and TA wasn't having an accurate day passing.

On TV they showed Riley on the sidelines appearing to be chewing Banker pretty good. Not anywhere in the realm of a Bo-Papuchis dressing down, but something I haven't seen before.

Perhaps HCMR is realizing that uninspired, undisciplined, sloppy play could be explained away in the past due to being at OSU and not getting good talent. Now that he is here, he may be doing some soul searching that if the play is uninspired, undisciplined, and/or sloppy, the reason must lie somewhere else.
 
Based on what I saw this weekend here is the week one pecking order in the B1G:
Ohio State
Wisconsin
Michigan
Iowa
Nebraska
Michigan State
Penn State
Maryland
Illinois
Minnesota
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers
Northwestern
Seems about right, at least for the first 6. I'm guessing NW is better than Rutgers, and Illinois may be better than PSU and MD, but really hard to tell after one game.
 
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Riley seems a little tense these days.

I perceive by his body language and words he was for dismissing Coach W, but Bounds and Eichorst convinced him to keep him. He gets a real dark look when it comes up and said he can't have a "high-maintenance" program. The arrest has no doubt caused a ton of extra work for him and the other coaches.

I perceive there might have been a disconnect between him and Langsdorf about the game plan. He said in both the post-game presser and the radio interview later something about "I didn't think it was going to look like that" when asked about how much the team ran the ball. You can't blame Langs, we were running pretty well and TA wasn't having an accurate day passing.

On TV they showed Riley on the sidelines appearing to be chewing Banker pretty good. Not anywhere in the realm of a Bo-Papuchis dressing down, but something I haven't seen before.

Perhaps HCMR is realizing that uninspired, undisciplined, sloppy play could be explained away in the past due to being at OSU and not getting good talent. Now that he is here, he may be doing some soul searching that if the play is uninspired, undisciplined, and/or sloppy, the reason must lie somewhere else.


your point about Langs is interesting ... I get the sense he (Langs) is fed up with all the "run the ball ... run the ball!!" constant barrage and said F it if they want to run the ball every down then fine

despite what some say if I am a 4-5* WR recruit and saw that last night I'm not really interested .... I know that the offense will likely change in the coming years but if as a recruit I can go anywhere I would have a "show me, don't tell me" attitude.

I'm sure all those WR recruits are busily texting each other about how they are going to divvy up those 5 receptions they saw last night
 
It was a decent opener in the end. Weak opponent, and we ended up with a victory margin which matched that. But there were good opening performances by several other BIG teams, with similar or even better victory margins, so can't get too excited yet. It is so hard to tell anything from the first games, since so many are mismatches. I was disappointed that Tommy didn't have a better pass pct, though I didn't see any rotten decisions. I continue to think that Newby needs to be moved down the RB depth chart. I hope getting Gerry back helps the defense overall; the D is going to have to play a lot better by the time Oregon gets here.
5 out of 10 ,OK but not great I think there was 2 drops,maybe wrong on that but why throw when you should be able to run the ball on Fresno.
 
your point about Langs is interesting ... I get the sense he (Langs) is fed up with all the "run the ball ... run the ball!!" constant barrage and said F it if they want to run the ball every down then fine

despite what some say if I am a 4-5* WR recruit and saw that last night I'm not really interested .... I know that the offense will likely change in the coming years but if as a recruit I can go anywhere I would have a "show me, don't tell me" attitude.

I'm sure all those WR recruits are busily texting each other about how they are going to divvy up those 5 receptions they saw last night
Not buying the Riley/Langs disconnect. If he is unhappy with play calling then put on a headset and talk to your guy in the booth. If what you say is true, then Riley is a lousy and disconnected game coach
 
Not buying the Riley/Langs disconnect. If he is unhappy with play calling then put on a headset and talk to your guy in the booth. If what you say is true, then Riley is a lousy and disconnected game coach

how do you explain the "I didn't expect it to look like that" comment about the offense ... I didn't take his tone as being pleasantly surprised
 
how do you explain the "I didn't expect it to look like that" comment about the offense ... I didn't take his tone as being pleasantly surprised
It could just mean that they took what the defense gave them, which was the run game. It means that going into the game the plan called for a little more passing but that it did not end up working out that way.
You really want to say that Riley has no input on offensive play calling during the game, even at halftime with adjustments, and waited till after the game to say he was as surprised as everyone else how the offensive play calling went??
I choose not to believe that Riley is just a spectator with a special sideline pass during the game
 
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Here's the thing about the penalties though. It was 7 penalties for 80 yards. Take off one and 15 yards for the total and complete BS targeting penalty on Luke Gifford. Take off another 15 yards and one penalty for the total and complete BS punt catch interference penalty. Right there you drop that to 5 and 50 which isn't excellent but is much better. Then you have the two celebration penalties. Clearly some here feel different, I think they were crap, I've seen players celebrate a heck of a lot more than either Darlington or Aaron Williams and not get called. Heck, I saw a Fresno State player stand practically in Tre Bryant's face after getting a pretty hard hit on him (after he had just run for an 11 yard gain, mind you) and flex his arms for a good long time, from my perspective easily as bad as anything the penalized Husker players did, and no penalty was called. Take out those two and another 20 yards (penalty on Aaron Williams was only 5 because it was half the distance) and now you're down to 3 penalties for 30 yards. Then you have the ticky tack facemask penalty (I don't think he really grabbed it long enough to warrant a flag, they got rid of the 5 yard facemask penalty to get rid of calls for minor or incidental grabbing, not to make all minor and incidental grabbing a 15 yard penalty), the unsportsmanlike on Utter which I never saw a replay to see what he did to warrant it (that penalty was only 10 yards because it was half the distance) and the illegal formation, which I need to go back and watch because I remember that being called on us a few times last year, and watching the replay and not for the life of me being able to figure out what was "illegal" about the formation.

Of course Riley is upset about the penalties, he's the head coach, that's what he's supposed to do. In the end, however, when you take into account the, sadly all too common, God awful officiating, I'm not all that worried about. Only so much you can do when you have clueless, bumbling fools on the field masquerading as the refs.

Husker fans have never seen a penalty against us they liked. I only saw the LG on replay once and it looked legit. Interesting you dont mention they didnt call the one at the end of the game. If Darlington doesnt spin the ball it isnt called. They allow celebrating but there are limits. I remember when a player got 15 for pointing in the stands after a TD. It was all called and there will be controversial ones throughout the year. Sooner or later they have to take responsibility for them.

This sounds like the parent who came into my office as a principal when their kid got in trouble. Everyone else was the problem but them.
 
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Thanks for this analysis, I planned to do something similar later today, but you saved me the trouble. Wasn't one of the 7 the delay of game for the missing man punt, which FS declined? What Darlington did will get flagged every time and 15 yarders assessed on KOs are huge. They can't really sit him since he has been working on chemistry with Brown, so I hope he gets some stadium steps.
Penalties that are declined don't count toward the final total. In the end, I agree that the players should be a little more restrained in celebrating and careful, I just think based on what else I saw in the game, the refs were out to get us and they used those as excuses to throw the flag. I don't like rules like Unsportsmanlike that are so arbitrary and very inconsistently enforced (heck even holding, which should be pretty obvious is pretty inconsistently enforced).
 
Husker fans have never seen a penalty against us they liked. I only saw the LG on replay once and it looked legit. Interesting you dont mention they didnt call the one at the end of the game. If Darlington doesnt spin the ball it isnt called. They allow celebrating but there are limits. I remember when a player got 15 for pointing in the stands after a TD. It was all called and there will be controversial ones throughout the year. Sooner or later they have to take responsibility for them.

This sounds like the parent who came into my office as a principal when their kid got in trouble. Everyone else was the problem but them.
Give me a break with the usual cop outs. This is why nothing is ever done about God awful officiating, because too many people just chalk up anyone complaining about it to people trying to shift blame. We won 43-10, I'm not trying to make any blame on the officiating because of the outcome of the game, I'm simply complaining about it, like I always do, because it was horrible. You can think what you want about the Luke Gifford call, you're wrong, it was a crap call plain and simple, basically on the level of the Nate Gerry call in the bowl game.

I didn't mention the overturned targeting call later in the game, because I was running down the 7 penalties for 80 yards that were called and disputing some (or most) of them. Because that penalty was overturned, it didn't count toward that total, and I didn't list it. I was completely shocked when they overturned it, not because it shouldn't have been overturned, but because I have so rarely seen targeting calls overturned, even when they clearly should have been (can only think of one other instance from a couple years ago).

The celebration stuff, I agree that the stuff just shouldn't be done, but in the end we're talking about 18-22 years olds, often who just made a big play, what do you expect? And you can't really define what will and won't get called, because it's so completely arbitrary. Take, for instance, what Suh did after his huge INT return to seal the win against Colorado in 2008. As soon as he crossed the goal line, he threw the ball as hard as he could against the wall behind the end zone. Much more emphatic and celebratory than anything either penalized player did last night, and there was no penalty called. In the end, I would probably not care that much about those two penalties, except based on what I saw the rest of the game, the refs were out to get us, and looking for crap to call. I think the call on Aaron Williams was a lot more BS than the one on Zack Darlington. I saw other players, on both sides of the ball, celebrate just as much if not more than he did, after a defensive play, and nothing was called. From my perspective, the douchebag that threw the flag was just piling on.

I'm also interested how you mention nothing at all about that kick catch interference call, because it was a perfect example of the officiating the entire game, pure crap. What really got me, was a later punt by Fresno State, and while the ball was hanging way up and the Fresno State players were gathering around Westerkamp, at least one of them very clearly bumped into him, the very DEFINITION of interference, and no flag was thrown. Westy was clearly pretty unhappy about it too, and let the zebra striped moron that was standing a few feet away know about it.
 
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