This has just got to the point where the "I don't want a bigger playoff" posters are digging in their heels now, that is it.I would like the subjectivity to begin as far down the rankings as possible.
obviously.
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This has just got to the point where the "I don't want a bigger playoff" posters are digging in their heels now, that is it.I would like the subjectivity to begin as far down the rankings as possible.
obviously.
Now why do you gotta resort to that? Can't handle differing opinions, and all you know how to do is child-like name calling?Okay, to the weirdo gopher fan
Yeah, my apologies for not being up to date on a middling Big 12 team's history from over 20 years ago. My bad.No, super fan, that watches all the games right now because they mean so much, not that game.
1998 Big 12 Championship Game - Wikipedia
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How about 68, with some play-ins to get it to 64? I mean, surely there could be some good teams that just went on a 4 or 5 game losing streak - we have to include them too.I would like the subjectivity to begin as far down the rankings as possible.
obviously.
it is a big time weird move to post on another team's site, there's no question about thatNow why do you gotta resort to that? Can't handle differing opinions, and all you know how to do is child-like name calling?
Don't be sorry.Yeah, my apologies for not being up to date on a middling Big 12 team's history from over 20 years ago. My bad.
You mad or something?
the texas state tournament is 32 teams, and everybody loves it.How about 68, with some play-ins to get it to 64? I mean, surely there could be some good teams that just went on a 4 or 5 game losing streak - we have to include them too.
We had Brook Berringer..Yeah, those are some of the reasons. How would you feel in 1995 if Tommy Frazier got hurt playing some 3 loss team in the playoffs that wasn't no where near Nebraska's level? And it's not like that USC game is an isolated instance - games like that occurred every year in college football. And losing to an unranked team should automatically eliminate you from competing for the national championship - there are always a few top teams that would never do that.
Before the CFP, the regular season was the playoff. Now you guys want to water it down like college basketball. Sure, Duke/North Carolina is interesting, but it would be a HECK of a lot more interesting if the loser was prohibited from the tourny, wouldn't it?
Well there was already a post in this thread that referenced the game in question. So there is thatYeah, my apologies for not being up to date on a middling Big 12 team's history from over 20 years ago. My bad.
You mad or something?
It’s actually 64 teams. The one negative is that there have been years where the top two teams in the state play each other in the second or third round based on location.the texas state tournament is 32 teams, and everybody loves it.
the more teams playing meaningful end of season games, the better. obviously.
I can see the merit in that. I'd be more likely to go along with this if we got rid of non-conference games then. One, the season will just drag on too long. Like tuco said, we're already into BB season now. But two, since we already have non-conference games, I think a great job is done figuring out that the 10th best team in the country is on a different level than the top 2. Once in a blue moon, #3 was getting hosed with the old system, but I feel pretty confident identifying the 3 best teams each year and then just adding in whoever looks like #4. Can't recall a season where, at the end of the 12 regular season games, that #5 was a NC contender.I would like the subjectivity to begin as far down the rankings as possible.
obviously.
Maybe if you visited other boards you'd see it's not. But, as you said when I first got here, fans should just stick to their own team's board. Either way, name calling is pretty petty, but easy to do for some. Kinda childish though, no? If not, then his mom wears army boots! There. : - )it is a big time weird move to post on another team's site, there's no question about that
It's probably much harder to rank high school teams than the top 5 college teams.the texas state tournament is 32 teams, and everybody loves it.
the more teams playing meaningful end of season games, the better. obviously.
They didn't mention the year though, did they? So I had to try and take a stab at it. I got it wrong, and was ridiculed. Rough crowd.Well there was already a post in this thread that referenced the game in question. So there is that
Yes I did lolThey didn't mention the year though, did they? So I had to try and take a stab at it. I got it wrong, and was ridiculed. Rough crowd.
I wouldn't be caught dead on an opposing team's board.Maybe if you visited other boards you'd see it's not. But, as you said when I first got here, fans should just stick to their own team's board. Either way, name calling is pretty petty, but easy to do for some. Kinda childish though, no? If not, then his mom wears army boots! There. : - )
The win or go home aspect of sports is the best part.I wouldn't be caught dead on an opposing team's board.
it's unfathomably odd to me.
and, in case you haven't noticed, early season games are already meaningless. do away with the non-con, add a 64-team tourney. who could possibly oppose that?
It sort of worked out the same way as the BCS, you still don't have to win you conference to play in the playoff, don't even have to win your division.But 1414 that's what they were saying when the BCS when to the CFP. Worked out ok. Don't see a problem with starting with 8 teams for a few years and see how Power 5 conf. champs and 3 others work out. Only extends the season by one game. For lots more money. Not to be sarcastic but we think the Big 10 and SEC schools like the idea of more money.
The problem is they want to go from 4 to 12, not 8..But 1414 that's what they were saying when the BCS when to the CFP. Worked out ok. Don't see a problem with starting with 8 teams for a few years and see how Power 5 conf. champs and 3 others work out. Only extends the season by one game. For lots more money. Not to be sarcastic but we think the Big 10 and SEC schools like the idea of more money.
This is so true!would be infinitely more interested than the games the 8-16 teams play in today
the entire existence of the NCAA is for the sake of a large money grab
But is it true??This is so true!
No, but you have 3 games too many in both these years in this post…..But is it true??
I think the matchup excuse is based on the fact that there is nothing after the bowl. No advancement if you win. No reason to watch if it isn't your team. Here are the 2018 and 2019 bowl matchups of teams ranked 1-16. Teams 1-10 are all playing in NY6 bowls and those matchups are set. So really we are looking at 11-16, are those matchups really that bad?
2019
1 LSU vs 4 Oklahoma
2 Ohio St vs 3 Clemson
5 Georgia vs 7 Baylor
6 Oregon vs 8 Wisconsin
9 Florida vs 24 Virginia
10 Penn St vs 17 Memphis
11 Utah vs Texas (Alamo)
12 Auburn vs 18 Minnesota (Outback)
13 Alabama vs 14 Michigan (Citrus)
15 Notre Dame vs Iowa St (Camping World)
16 Iowa vs 22 USC (Holiday)
2018
1 Alabama vs 4 Oklahoma
2 Clemson vs 3 Notre Dame
5 Georgia vs 15 Texas
6 Ohio St vs 9 Washington
7 Michigan vs 10 Florida
8 UCF vs 11 LSU
12 Penn St vs 14 Kentucky (Citrus)
13 Washington St vs 24 Iowa St (Alamo)
16 West Virginia vs 20 Syracuse (Camping World)
You are confusing me. Rambo was talking about the bowl matchups for teams ranked 8-16 in the current day system and how the matchups would be better in a playoff system for those teams. I showed the matchups for teams 1-16 to show they aren't so bad.No, but you have 3 games too many in both these years in this post…..
I know you were just setting a example..
What does meaningless mean to you on terms of a college football game?Still no one has answered why Alabama should have to play Georgia a third time after having beaten them twice before to win the NC.
And an 8, 12, 16 team playoff would absolutely dilute the regular season and make many games meaningless, as the 4 team playoff has already done but on a smaller scale. How anyone can pretend it won’t with a grain of sincerity is doing some serious bullshitting.
In other words he is saying is he wants the games during the season to mean more than a 3 or 4 loss team that failed to play in their CCG gets a 16 seed and would have to play possible the same team they already lost to..What does meaningless mean to you on terms of a college football game?
For instances, even when the Huskers suck and it is near the end of the season and the game they are playing that weekend has no "meaning" I still watch it.
Just like bowl games, they are pretty much meaningless but we still watch them.
they're exhibitionsYou are confusing me. Rambo was talking about the bowl matchups for teams ranked 8-16 in the current day system and how the matchups would be better in a playoff system for those teams. I showed the matchups for teams 1-16 to show they aren't so bad.
I Do,Citrus, Outback, Gator, Alamo or Holiday bowls are good bowl gamesthey're exhibitions
even if the matchups were the exact same, it'd be better in a playoff scenario for the exact reason you said - actual stakes exist
nobody cares about winning the gator/citrus/alamo bowls
I know you do. I suppose iowa hangs banners for those games, too, so you're not totally alone.I Do,Citrus, Outback, Gator, Alamo or Holiday bowls are good bowl games
exactly right.I do understand length of season concerns - though it adds essentially one game (two games for some, but are the teams that play first round likely to get all the way to the championship?) However, I don't get the devalues the regular season argument. Are regular season games in basketball and baseball meaningless? As it stands today, if your football team loses one game in many conferences, or loses two games in the top conferences, the entire rest of that team's season is meaningless - if the meaning of games is based solely on can you get into the playoffs - which is the crux of such arguments. The football team isn't going to be in the playoffs so the rest of its season has no meaning. From that viewpoint, the last 9-10 games Nebraska has played the past 6 to 8 years have been meaningless. OK, bad example.
I think it is much the opposite. Expanded playoffs make more games meaningful for more teams. You can drop a game in non-P5 or a couple of games in a P5 conference, and the rest of your games still mean something, because you may still have a chance to work into the playoff picture -- the very same way those last few games for basketball teams sitting on the bubble still mean something with 68 teams getting in but would not mean a damn thing if only 32 or 48 teams were going to the dance.
Hell, if the P5 conference champ is assured a spot, you could lose 3 or 4 games, and the games still have meaning, as long as you are still in the race to win your division and get to the conference championship game.
I know you do. I suppose iowa hangs banners for those games, too, so you're not totally alone.
they are vestiges of the past, and mean nothing today. most players people want to see in those games care so little they consider them potentially hazardous to their playing futures.
one thing is for sure - nobody is sitting out a 1st round playoff game.
Nebraska also hangs banners for bowls games in fact we have one that shows how many we have been too.
Big regular season games, while fun, the outcomes don't matter. Oregon vs Ohio St or Miami vs Alabama any of those team can lose these match ups and none would be eliminated from winning the national title. As I said, they are fun to watch, I will watch both games for sure, but in the overall scheme of things, on their own, they aren't meaningful games. They only become meaningful if those teams lose multiple games and the committee wants to look at strength of schedule.exactly right.
big regular season games will still be very meaningful, while completely meaningless games against lesser opponents, especially non-con filler fluff cash grabs, would potentially go away all together.
I don't think there's a single thing that would be better for the sport, which is the most predictable in existence in terms of end of season outcome. even moreso than the NBA.
Yes and half the teams don't show up, like when Georgia played Texas in the Sugar and Auburn verse UCF Frosts last year there. I just think Rambo is right that it would be more like the NCAA bball tourney where yea the top 4 would probably make it often but some years you would have some chaos, an upset or two a long the way. Those early round games would be more exciting too as you would have more of the country involved instead of the same 4 or 5 teams that you do now. I realize ultimately you would still get your head knocked off by Saban or Dabo eventually but it's like the old saying, so you're telling me there's a chance lol. Tuco you make some great points too, not sure what the answer is but money always talks.they're exhibitions
even if the matchups were the exact same, it'd be better in a playoff scenario for the exact reason you said - actual stakes exist
nobody cares about winning the gator/citrus/alamo bowls
I would be way more into a UGA vs UT first round playoff game as opposed to the ****ing sugar bowl game. We all would period