Talent
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This is why I laugh at those that say Frost was out-coached last night. You can't be out-coached if the other team has better talent than you. Every now and then a less talented team will rise up and win a game they should not, that is an upset. If a less talented team turns the ball over 3 times in the first half it usually leads to a blowout. We don't have to like it but it is what it is.
It will tough to pull highly rated 4 & 5 stars players around the country especially in the south to come here to play. Lets see what Frost can do in a few years. If this program stays stagnant for the next few years with 3-4 loses then Frost needs to go another school where he can win.
I don’t totally agree with that. It was pretty obvious that the OSU D was prepared and seemed to know what Nebraska was going to do before it was done on a lot of snaps minus the initial drive when we went into the “I”.
But I totally agree that it makes it really had to not look outcoached when you are going against a team with numerous future NFL picks and you have probably none for at least for next year.
It will be interesting to see how a team like Northwestern, which has equivalent or less talent than Nebraska, does against them.
Would you switch places with Wisconsin? Much less talent by stars and recruiting rankings. Perhaps coaching makes a difference. Frost hasn't had time to develop yet . Time will tell . Nobody is developed in a year but we start with more talent over everybody in the west.
Oh Gawd.....then I guess TO should never have won those NCs. He never had a #1 recruiting result....so his NCs shouldn't have counted!
If it’s only about talent, then Lane Kiffin would still be coaching USC. Muschamp would still be coaching Florida. Richt would still be coaching Georgia. Strong would still be coaching Texas, etc.
There’s far more to the game than just talent.
There’s far more to the game than just talent.
Absolutely. But many (especially here) consider recruiting rankings the "only" thing that matters. That's as deep as they'll ever get.
Of course, as TO's recruiting never had any number one recruiting rankings......all his NC trophy's should be revoked!!
3-4 losses would be just fine. We're nowhere close to that point yet. If we're being honest with ourselves, this is most likely a 6 win team and we could finish even worse than that.
Did you actually watch the FAU game and visibly see them play tougher than Nebraska, or are you just looking at the score and assuming so?
His contract is for seven years and the structure at the U is more heavy in favor of Scott than Bo or Riley. He'll be here, short of quitting voluntarily for 7 years. The Boosters will lose this one.
Again, talent tiers. Washington, Robinson, Spielman are guys who might crack the tOSU lineup. Nobody else. We're not close, and neither was the outcome.
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ohio state running backs are brutally good; 5 deep better than anything nebraska has
and so is the qb
and the dline
some of the talent gap can be neutralized with disciplined developmental ball control programs
which is what nebraska used to be
which is how iowa and wisconsin have success, but neither of those can win a national championship
so how does ohio state get their first 5 rb better than anything nebraska has? is it ohio recruiting? can teams not in or near recruiting hotbeds even compete at the highest level anymore due to the much stiffer competition all around college football compared to even 20 years ago? i would say no
and so is the qb
and the dline
some of the talent gap can be neutralized with disciplined developmental ball control programs
which is what nebraska used to be
which is how iowa and wisconsin have success, but neither of those can win a national championship
so how does ohio state get their first 5 rb better than anything nebraska has? is it ohio recruiting? can teams not in or near recruiting hotbeds even compete at the highest level anymore due to the much stiffer competition all around college football compared to even 20 years ago? i would say no
Good point. Iowa drilled OSU a few years ago with far less talent and they seem to hand w them every year otherwise. Explain this??
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ball control developmental programs can narrow the talent gap but cannot win national championships, but are very hard to execute, ndsu is the perfect example of what teams not near or in talent rich areas need to do.
i would say there is something better out there though and misfortune is coming as it did in 1789 but on a much grander scale
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$5 Million per year and you have no identity? Please!!! Frost does not have the talent on the OLINE to play his system. His choice is to change his system to fit what he has, or get another fright night season under the existing system for the quality young players who will be on the field for the next 4 years. I vote for the latter and patience. Frost has always won with good linemen, and he will here as well.
Once in a while a team jumps up and gets the big boys because they come out flat. OSU and Kansas used to give Nebraska a game now and then.
OSU came out sharp and NU came out with the yips, especially at QB.
Washington would absolutely not beat out Dobbins for the starting RB job. So maybe two of our guys could get on the field for OSU.
If you think talent is so irrelevant show me where Wisco and Iowa's NC trophies are. No team wins it all without top 10 classes. None. Zero teams. Talent matters.
It's a lie that NU didn't have elite recruiting in the 90s. They did.
OSU came out sharp and NU came out with the yips, especially at QB.
Washington would absolutely not beat out Dobbins for the starting RB job. So maybe two of our guys could get on the field for OSU.
If you think talent is so irrelevant show me where Wisco and Iowa's NC trophies are. No team wins it all without top 10 classes. None. Zero teams. Talent matters.
It's a lie that NU didn't have elite recruiting in the 90s. They did.
That team I watch on Saturday has no identity. Nothing works consistently. Nothing, except turnovers.
I agree with you that it will come with better talent and patience.
Sir, they didn't ever get a #1 recruiting result under TO and also didn't even get really great recruiting rankings until after winning the 1994 NC.
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they had elite running backs and quarterbacks back then, the lines were developmental in a lot of ways, so probably a combination of things, some say the walk on program gave them a distinct advantage for the developmental side of things.
frost better learn how to run the ball. i noticed vs colorado they really couldnt.
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makes you wonder how miss and ole miss can never win national championships, pathetic really considering they are located in one of the best football recruiting states in the country.
Actually, Texas does less with more better than anyone in the country.
That's a bit of a myth because TO got his share of elite talent. Tommie Frazier is a great example, he was a consensus top-five recruit coming out of HS and I'm sure there are plenty of others if we really wanted to spend some time looking back.
Well sure, of course he did. But a top three or so recruiting rankings?........nope. Not until.....oh, never-mind.
There are exactly 0 players on our roster that crack the osu first team. Not even close. I don't think there are many that would crack the 2nd team. We aren't anywhere near their talent level. Banging on about how some other team hung with OSU doesn't change that fact. You all make it sound like it is something you and your team control. It also the fact that in some of those games, like any other top team, OSU doesn't always show up to play. i.e., a certain NU team that lost by 5 last year at OSU. They showed up Saturday. Move on already. It is going to be years before we have lines that can compete with OSU let alone Wisc and Iowa and the rest of the next tier in B1G.
I could see them using Washington, Robinson, or Spielman as situational players...but probably not every down starters. They are our top tier players by far. Shows how far back we are. It's nothing new...just see the NFL draft every year.
You don't need the #1 class, you need a few very good classes. NU had that.
You're also glossing over the fact that mid-90s recruiting ratings consisted of like two guys writing magazines.
Look at the number of All-Americans and post-season award winners/finalists NU had through that stretch run. You can sneak some dudes into the league running a developmental program, but you're not All-America without elite talent.
Look at Mike Rucker's NFL career and then consider that he could hardly get on the field as an underclassman.
Off the top of my head guys with productive NFL careers:
Wistrom
Rucker
Mike Brown
Schlesinger
A. Green
Minter
Stai
LP was a top pick but mental health issues derailed his career
Berringer was projected to be drafted before his tragic death
I'm sure I'm missing several. And those are just guys who had nice NFL careers. Tons more were drafted and didn't hit big in the league.
The idea that NU didn't have elite talent in the 90s is a lie. They didn't have elite WRs and TEs but everywhere else they had NFL dudes.
The question becomes can we even get that many 5 star guys? I don't think so.
I don’t know that it is necessary to have watched any game, other than the NU v Ohio game, to reach that conclusion.
Below are the NFL draft picks (total/1st and 2nd round picks) from 2017-2019 for NU vs upper tier B1G teams.
Ohio State - 22/8
Michigan - 18/4
Wisconsin - 12/2
Penn St - 12/2
Iowa - 11/4
Neb - 2/0
Not saying talent is the only factor in where we are/have been, but its a big factor in why we are looking up at these teams.
Ohio State - 22/8
Michigan - 18/4
Wisconsin - 12/2
Penn St - 12/2
Iowa - 11/4
Neb - 2/0
Not saying talent is the only factor in where we are/have been, but its a big factor in why we are looking up at these teams.
I may be wrong, but I think OSU has more 4/5 star players on their team than Nebraska's Seniors, Juniors and Soph. classes combined.
Oh sure, you're quite right sir. Please don't say I didn't believe we had elite talent. NU certainly did have damn good talent (especially a smash-mouth pipeline that we would currently KILL to have). But the recruiting gurus simply didn't have us anywhere near the top rankings then. You know that. You also know that the very good skill positions almost always have higher rankings than the big uglies.
However, I totally disagree with you and still state that our recruiting improved MASSIVELY after the 1994 NC. I remember it well.....I'm sure you do too. TO was swimming in outrageously high recruiting talent for his last few years.
