Starting a freshmen quarterback

[bomber89]

Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.

 

[phoenix4nu]

Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.

I think Riley understands the importance of winning more than 9 games a year as soon as possible. I think he will start the quarterback that he believes has the best chance of achieving that - regardless of whether it's a freshman or junior.

 

[phoenix4nu]

NM

 

[nebcountry]

Langsdorf is the OC. He will determine which plays will be run in practice and will determine the split on reps for each player. For drills, he can spend 80% of the time focused on one player, or equally distribute his focus.

My opinion only, Lee has already been picked due to starting experience. At some point (if not the case already), focus and reps will heavily favor Lee. QB competition is closer to fairy tale than reality.

 

[TruHusker]

Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.

I think Riley understands the importance of winning more than 9 games a year as soon as possible. I think he will start the quarterback that he believes has the best chance of achieving that - regardless of whether it's a freshman or junior.

Can you give some examples of the teams that go through this problem of starting a freshmen QB and then have recruiting problems?

Look, if you have ever been around coaches at any level, you know they are intensely competitive people and want to win all of the time. It is not the importance of winning 9 games a year like that is some kind of standard. They want to win them all and that is their focus. They are there for drills, film room sessions, and scrimmages and know these guys inside and out. Eventually they will go with the guy who gives their team the best shot at winning - that is not always the fan favorite who is likely to be the # 2 guy. It isn't about freshmen or years left, it is about winning pure and simple.

 

[KingBlackshirt]

The absolute best scenario is Lee is amazing next year and we win the west. He goes pro and POB takes over as a redshirt soph.

POB starts two years goes pro and Gebbia takes over after two years of learning and weight gain.

But since I am glass half empty guy I doubt it turns out that well.

 

[marlo81]

The absolute best scenario is Lee is amazing next year and we win the west. He goes pro and POB takes over as a redshirt soph.

POB starts two years goes pro and Gebbia takes over after two years of learning and weight gain.

But since I am glass half empty guy I doubt it turns out that well.

I second that!!!!

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I think Riley understands the importance of winning more than 9 games a year as soon as possible. I think he will start the quarterback that he believes has the best chance of achieving that - regardless of whether it's a freshman or junior.

Too bad Riley didn't do that this year.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Too bad Riley didn't do that this year.

Riley wasn't throwing the kid out there on a team that he knew wasn't really capable of winning anything substantial this year. Throw in the fact that he isn't stupid and knew the old guard would be howling all year if TA sat, and you got what we saw this year at QB.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Riley wasn't throwing the kid out there on a team that he knew wasn't really capable of winning anything substantial this year. Throw in the fact that he isn't stupid and knew the old guard would be howling all year if TA sat, and you got what we saw this year at QB.

Those are both political reasons. Not a real reason to try your best to win. Feel bad for the seniors this last year.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Those are both political reasons. Not a real reason to try your best to win. Feel bad for the seniors this last year.

It's not political. Riley KNEW what the talent level of this team was and no freshman qb in the country was going to make a difference this year.

 

[timnsun]

Too bad Riley didn't do that this year.

So you know for a fact that POB was more ready than Armstrong? Interesting...

 

[Pennsyhusker]

It's not political. Riley KNEW what the talent level of this team was and no freshman qb in the country was going to make a difference this year.

Exactly. And you also run the risk of destroying a young quarterback's confidence. I think Riley and staff knew that this was a transition year and just hoped they could win 8-9 games. Mission accomplished. Now they have what they want at QB for next year and more depth on the offensive line.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

More to do with the fragile psyche of the upperclassmen than anything else.
Just my opinion. Year 1 if he had brought in a JUCO drop back passer, to take over for Armstrong, he would have lost the team. If the team had been 5-7 the year Pelini was fired instead of 9-4, a coach can go in and make sweeping changes. You can start younger players over returning starters when you are replacing a coach that lost more than he won because you fans will give you a little rope. When you take over a 9 win team, fans and players expect at least the same results.

And as I have said all along, if Eichorst hires a coach that runs spread, you would have probably seen a better season that first year. But he didn't and you you didn't see similar results.

I would bet that if Riley had known that the first year would have turned out 5-7, he would have brought in a QB. But as it was he inherited a QB that had 2 years of experience and apparently over valued how that experience would translate.

Then in year 2, coming off the 6-7, as was said previously, he went with get what you can from the senior and live to fight another year.

Looking forward to next fall.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

More to do with the fragile psyche of the upperclassmen than anything else.
Just my opinion. Year 1 if he had brought in a JUCO drop back passer, to take over for Armstrong, he would have lost the team. If the team had been 5-7 the year Pelini was fired instead of 9-4, a coach can go in and make sweeping changes. You can start younger players over returning starters when you are replacing a coach that lost more than he won because you fans will give you a little rope. When you take over a 9 win team, fans and players expect at least the same results.

And as I have said all along, if Eichorst hires a coach that runs spread, you would have probably seen a better season that first year. But he didn't and you you didn't see similar results.

I would bet that if Riley had known that the first year would have turned out 5-7, he would have brought in a QB. But as it was he inherited a QB that had 2 years of experience and apparently over valued how that experience would translate.

Then in year 2, coming off the 6-7, as was said previously, he went with get what you can from the senior and live to fight another year.

Looking forward to next fall.

ok, you make a good point.

 

[nebcountry]

I would also think that the coaching staff thought we would be much, much improved compared to last year. We finished last year fairly strong after starting out poorly. If you expected to pick up where you left off and improve, why would you bench the guy with which you saw improvement, only to play an unproven player.

I don't need to make up reasons for why POB was redshirted. The staff thought TA was the best choice.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

[QUOTE="bomber89, post: 3166842, member: 5090"]Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.[/QUOTE]

Totally disagree with this.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

[QUOTE="bomber89, post: 3166842, member: 5090"]Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.

Totally disagree with this.[/QUOTE]
depends if you have a 1 year time frame or multiyear. That recruiting point is valid imho.

 

[dockentwo]

Totally disagree with this.

depends if you have a 1 year time frame or multiyear. That recruiting point is valid imho.[/QUOTE]
Just curious; how did OSU's qb recruiting go after they had the Amazing Trio play QB a few years ago? Might be illuminating ?

 

[headcard]

depends if you have a 1 year time frame or multiyear. That recruiting point is valid imho.

Just curious; how did OSU's qb recruiting go after they had the Amazing Trio play QB a few years ago? Might be illuminating ?[/QUOTE]

2015- Joe Burrow (3-star)
2016- Dwayne Haskins Jr (4-star)
2017- Tate Martell (4-star)

 

[dockentwo]

Thank you , and we couldn't get Joe I believe ( Husker Legacy ). A lot going on here in that time frame. OSU; its a no worry thing for them.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Just curious; how did OSU's qb recruiting go after they had the Amazing Trio play QB a few years ago? Might be illuminating ?

2015- Joe Burrow (3-star)
2016- Dwayne Haskins Jr (4-star)
2017- Tate Martell (4-star)[/QUOTE]

So which one never plays or transfers?

 

[headcard]

2015- Joe Burrow (3-star)
2016- Dwayne Haskins Jr (4-star)
2017- Tate Martell (4-star)

So which one never plays?[/QUOTE]

Who knows, good problem to have.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

So which one never plays?

Who knows, good problem to have.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree, unless Martell wins job as RS Fr and Haskins leaves and Burrows goes to play for Bo and your back up becomes your 2018 recruit.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Seems to me teams that start a redshirt freshmen or true freshmen quarterback have two to three years of quarterback recruiting drought. Not saying they dont sign quarterbacks but they do go through a couple years of not getting high level ones.

I want the best qb to start next year but it also wouldn't surprise me to see this be a factor (not a deciding factor of course but a small part) in the coaches decision next year.

I think a lot of coaches at the college level realize this is a game of Juniors and Seniors (for the most part). The main reason for that is the physical development that is required of nearly every guy coming in as a true freshman.

Some time ago, I went through all the QB history I could briefly find that Riley had at Oregon State to see if there was a pattern of when a QB would start, and I found no pattern. In fact, the only pattern I found was that every true freshman QB I looked at, redshirted under Riley.

From the limited time I spent on it (using wiki articles) I could have missed someone or gotten inaccurate info, but I came away with the impression that the best guy started regardless of what class he was in (except true freshman). It also looked like that guy, once set, didn't change (unless there was a major injury) until that guy graduated and left.

From the reports out there, it kind of sounds like Lee will be the starter next year.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

2015- Joe Burrow (3-star)
2016- Dwayne Haskins Jr (4-star)
2017- Tate Martell (4-star)

So which one never plays or transfers?[/QUOTE]

If you're a good snake oil salesman and you can convince each recruit they are most likely penciled in as a starter, it can be a good problem to have.

 

[jflores]

So which one never plays or transfers?

If you're a good snake oil salesman and you can convince each recruit they are most likely penciled in as a starter, it can be a good problem to have.[/QUOTE]

Is DL a snake oil guy? He seems to have three pretty good QB's stacked up. And quite a few candidates to be #4. Some even travelling on their own dime a year in advance of official festivities.

 

[nordakotahusker]

Thank you , and we couldn't get Joe I believe ( Husker Legacy ). A lot going on here in that time frame. OSU; its a no worry thing for them.

As I recall we could have had Burrow, but Beck gave him the brush off when he was at camp and pissed off Joe and the Burrow family. After he verballed to OSU he wouldn't reconsider, and ironically Urban ended up hiring Beck after he got the axe at NU.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

If you're a good snake oil salesman and you can convince each recruit they are most likely penciled in as a starter, it can be a good problem to have.

Is DL a snake oil guy? He seems to have three pretty good QB's stacked up. And quite a few candidates to be #4. Some even travelling on their own dime a year in advance of official festivities.[/QUOTE]
No there isn't an all American JT Barrett they think they will b eat, but a wide open job.

 

[St_Henry_Buckeye]

Just curious; how did OSU's qb recruiting go after they had the Amazing Trio play QB a few years ago? Might be illuminating ?

2015- Joe Burrow (3-star)
2016- Dwayne Haskins Jr (4-star)
2017- Tate Martell (4-star)[/QUOTE]

2018 Emory Jones Dual Threat Rivals 5 star

 

[gldnglv165]

Can you give some examples of the teams that go through this problem of starting a freshmen QB and then have recruiting problems?

Would starting Taylor Martinez and then having QB recruiting problems count? How about starting Tommie Armstrong and then having QB recruiting problems? Seems we've gone through that process a couple of times now.

 

[TruHusker]

Would starting Taylor Martinez and then having QB recruiting problems count? How about starting Tommie Armstrong and then having QB recruiting problems? Seems we've gone through that process a couple of times now.

Coaching staff on the hot seat for two years, poor overall recruiting, new offensive system and transfers played a role.

 

[applehead1]

Who knows, good problem to have.

I don't disagree, unless Martell wins job as RS Fr and Haskins leaves and Burrows goes to play for Bo and your back up becomes your 2018 recruit.[/QUOTE]
I didn't consider YSU as an option for Burrows but certainly could be. Would Frankie at Ohio be a better choice ? Higher profile in the MAC.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I don't disagree, unless Martell wins job as RS Fr and Haskins leaves and Burrows goes to play for Bo and your back up becomes your 2018 recruit.

I didn't consider YSU as an option for Burrows but certainly could be. Would Frankie at Ohio be a better choice ? Higher profile in the MAC.[/QUOTE]

I went with Bo because Burrows has already redshirted so he would have to sit a year if he transferred to another FBS school prior to graduating. It was hypothetical anyway. Just an illustration of how playing Freshman can impact depth