Special teams
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Not just special teams; you can add the offense and the defense to that disaster...this team was exposed the last two weeks and apparently their pants are still around their ankles.
Read still being employed at NU after seasons end will say a hell of a lot about the ship Riley is running. Let's hope he's a goner. His pay and spot can be used elsewhere if this is what we are going to get out of his "special" teams.
Really?
I have no issue if Read is reassigned... we have not been good much at all. But let's say we go 10-2 to finish out... instead of the record speaking about the ship Riley is running what is more telling is if Read is kept or not?
To me 10-2 says a lot more than whether Read is still coaching here. Of course we have to get there first...
Most freshman are brought in not expected to start. Most need some development first.
What??? All i Read in every recruiting profile is these kids saying "I have no plans on red shirting, I'm expecting to go and compete". How many PUNTERS get scholarships nationally? I know he's going to get better but blocked punts, penalties, formation issues all fall at feet of coaching and the players.
Do you really think this kid (or the coaches) thought he was going to come in and beat out Foltz for the job?
Not my point- of course no one thought he would beat out Sam; however he was/is one of the best punters in the nation(according to the coaches and rivals) and when you are a punter and given a 4-5 year scholarship(very rare) it's not the equivalent in terms of expectations of a walk-on true freshman.
How is this different than all the other highly rated recruited freshman that are given time to develop? See the Doman thread.
Does a kicker/punter need to put on additional size or gain strength in order to compete at the next level. My answer would be "no".
Alabama recruited a punter JK Scott out of Colorado. As a true freshman he averaged 48 ypp.
Get serious. We never expected Caleb to be playing this year. It was the tragic passing of Foltz that led to him being thrown to the wolves early.
ST has been terrible. But citing Caleb's punting isn't a strong piece of evidence to support the argument.
Duh on Foltz passing..... Why not cite Calebs punting?? Special teams includes punting doesn't it? He's on scholarship is he not? Read my posts (entirely) above before you blast--- was he not ranked highly by our staff and rivals? Check out who Alabama's punter is and compare....
I don't know about that. It's debatable. But I do know Caleb's play doesn't help Mr. Read and that's a fact. Kickers & Punters come in all the time and play as true frosh. Drew Brown did and IMO kickers have it harder than punters. Actually had a solid year. A lot better than CL is having and Drew wasn't recruited by a "special teams expert". And lets be totally honest here, Caleb has played 10 games now, he should no longer feel like a true frosh.
Everything you said is completely fine, but if you're making a Read argument, and you're using Caleb, you are not focused on the right parts of ST to support your argument. This is a true freshman punter that was absolutely going to redshirt. His performance simply isn't that poor given the situation.
I cringe each time we line up to punt. But I want to give Caleb the benefits of the doubt.
He was recruited as a punter? Then he likely has punting ability, I am sure there was film and evaluation and discussions with his High School coaches about it. I am sure he has the ability, and my guess is that it's somewhat, or largely, mental, or a confidence issue.
That's your one job or your one role on the team and there can be a lot of pressure with that. Maybe he psyches himself out, maybe he puts a lot of pressure on himself. I certainly don't watch practices, so can't say for sure, but I bet he is fine in practice, but game day in front of 90,000 people all watching you, I have to think he feels some pressure, especially being thrust into this role unexpectedly.
I bet he gets into a groove soon, gets over his jitters, and starts punting like he knows he can. I am being an optimist I guess, and I hope that's the case. The mental part of the game is huge for a 17 or 18 year old, once he gets some confidence back and stops 'overthinking' things, maybe we see a different side of Caleb. I hope so.
Just trying to give a college freshman the benefit of the doubt. We've been blessed and spoiled over the last 20 years with above average kicking, we expect it. He'll get there I hope.
He was recruited as a punter? Then he likely has punting ability, I am sure there was film and evaluation and discussions with his High School coaches about it. I am sure he has the ability, and my guess is that it's somewhat, or largely, mental, or a confidence issue.
That's your one job or your one role on the team and there can be a lot of pressure with that. Maybe he psyches himself out, maybe he puts a lot of pressure on himself. I certainly don't watch practices, so can't say for sure, but I bet he is fine in practice, but game day in front of 90,000 people all watching you, I have to think he feels some pressure, especially being thrust into this role unexpectedly.
I bet he gets into a groove soon, gets over his jitters, and starts punting like he knows he can. I am being an optimist I guess, and I hope that's the case. The mental part of the game is huge for a 17 or 18 year old, once he gets some confidence back and stops 'overthinking' things, maybe we see a different side of Caleb. I hope so.
Just trying to give a college freshman the benefit of the doubt. We've been blessed and spoiled over the last 20 years with above average kicking, we expect it. He'll get there I hope.
He's averaging 39.4 yrds/punt and the #1 rated punter is at 48.8. Add in out horrible punt coverage and it doesn't look too bad.
I expect a freshman punter to shank a few. I don't expect that we can't throw a block for DPE to get a return on, or to protect the punter.
Drew Brown has been very good.
Drew Brown has been very good.
I have no doubt he'll be a heck of a punter, Drew Brown got better with age.... all I'm saying is he is a part of the special teams and that phase of the team has not been good, period.
No. You were pretty clear.
Thats you specifically commenting on Caleb.
Yea he is a scholarship punter and not some walk on freshman, so what's your point?
Are you happy with the punting and special teams play?
That because someone is a freshman and on scholarship they aren't supposed to excel and we should expect subpar play from here on out?
I think some people saying that they are willing to give the young man a break because of a lot of factors and that Bruce Read's problems aren't necessarily Lightborn's fault.
Bruce Read is a poor coach as far as on-the-field results. Not even sure that's debatable at this point. There are many that point to his salary and that is the main reason they aren't Read fans. The counterpoint to that is why do we care how much he gets paid...it's not like it's out of our pocket? Here's the flaw with that reasoning: Nobody actually cares what Read is getting paid...it's just that for $450,000/yr you could get a BIG TIME recruiter and he could surely coach special teams as well, especially as much as Read delegates ST duties to other coaches. Read is not a big time recruiter and gets poor on-the-field results at the same time. He could make $100,000 and Nebraska could still do better.
Careful bro.... your about to enter a world of pain spitting fire like that. What your about to be told is he is the main talent evaluator and it's because of a thin roster and it's none of your business what he makes! He's a people person d#%]^*!!
Not sure why you included my quote with that post, but I am one of the people that said he is one of the main talent evaluators in the program and that is where his value to this program is. It sure isn't at ST coordinator. He is called a poor recruiter, but recruiting players isn't what he is required to do here. I couldn't care less if he is put out to pasture at one or both of his jobs.
