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for the hot mess that is going on in south Lincoln with the streets!!!!! It is absolutely asinine to close down the intersections they have and also have the lane restrictions in the areas that are accepting the overflow.

This is one of many issues I have with the government in this town. There is no common sense what so ever when it comes to planning these projects!!!
 
You can't fire government employees. The best you can hope for is putting him or her in a corner for some quiet time.

I have been thinking about moving back to the Midwest from California to get a break in taxes. After running many numbers I was astonished to learn that at least as far as income, sales and (especially) property taxes, I might as well stay in California. I realize there is a smaller population base in NE and IA paying for many miles of roads and so forth, but geez, it appears you collect a lot of money. I would expect those streets in south Lincoln to be pristine.
 
You can't fire government employees. The best you can hope for is putting him or her in a corner for some quiet time.

I have been thinking about moving back to the Midwest from California to get a break in taxes. After running many numbers I was astonished to learn that at least as far as income, sales and (especially) property taxes, I might as well stay in California. I realize there is a smaller population base in NE and IA paying for many miles of roads and so forth, but geez, it appears you collect a lot of money. I would expect those streets in south Lincoln to be pristine.
Nebraska is in every top 10 list for highest taxing states. Wyoming has more area and far fewer people and is one of the lowest taxing states. I have no idea what happens to all of the tax revenue, but now they are cutting support to UNL and the other state universities to balance the budget.
 
Nebraska is in every top 10 list for highest taxing states. Wyoming has more area and far fewer people and is one of the lowest taxing states. I have no idea what happens to all of the tax revenue, but now they are cutting support to UNL and the other state universities to balance the budget.
The University system has so many dead weight, lazy employees that it would make you freak out if you spent any time working around that place. I have seen people literally sleeping at desks before. Nobody gives a crap.
 
Are they building a freeway around the city yet? like a 680 or 480 in Omaha?
 
Having grown up in Lincoln and now living in Omaha, I'm convinced Lincoln is a 250K population city trying to operate like they're 25K.
Same situation for me. Lincoln feels like it operates like a big town, Omaha like a small city.

Someone else has posted on this board before about the original Lincoln plans for widening streets that were scrapped due to some corruption.

I know in Omaha, there were supposed to be more legs to the interstate system: The north/south portion of I-480 was supposed to extend uninhibited north all the way to I-680 (which would bisect Florence), and the east/west portion of I-480 was supposed to extend west to I-680 (which would go through Dundee).
 
for the hot mess that is going on in south Lincoln with the streets!!!!! It is absolutely asinine to close down the intersections they have and also have the lane restrictions in the areas that are accepting the overflow.

This is one of many issues I have with the government in this town. There is no common sense what so ever when it comes to planning these projects!!!
Shhhhhhhh! Do not question Lincoln leadership. If the local press pressured politicians like Des Moines Register does over there then it would get interesting in Lincoln.
 
Nebraska is in every top 10 list for highest taxing states. Wyoming has more area and far fewer people and is one of the lowest taxing states. I have no idea what happens to all of the tax revenue, but now they are cutting support to UNL and the other state universities to balance the budget.
Wyoming and Nebraska is a bad comparison. Land area is essentially meaningless here, it has very little effect on revenue or expense. Wyoming has about one-third the population of Nebraska, which means less people to collect revenue from, but also a lot less to spend money on. Nebraska has 192,178 lane miles of roads; Wyoming has 60,311 lane miles, that's a huge difference in the amount of roads to keep up, and therefore the cost for upkeep. Wyoming also has a big source of revenue in the form of oil and gas, which Nebraska doesn't have.
 
you guys don't know bad roads. i can't even begin...
 
It is a good question. Where does the money go? The state employees that I know get absurdly low pay so I doubt it's personnel costs.
 
Same situation for me. Lincoln feels like it operates like a big town, Omaha like a small city.

Someone else has posted on this board before about the original Lincoln plans for widening streets that were scrapped due to some corruption.

I know in Omaha, there were supposed to be more legs to the interstate system: The north/south portion of I-480 was supposed to extend uninhibited north all the way to I-680 (which would bisect Florence), and the east/west portion of I-480 was supposed to extend west to I-680 (which would go through Dundee).

Way too much political opposition for those legs to move forward. I'm surprised 480 made it as far north as it did.
 
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The University system has so many dead weight, lazy employees that it would make you freak out if you spent any time working around that place. I have seen people literally sleeping at desks before. Nobody gives a crap.
This is OT...so warning people...
But this is correct. What pisses me off about this whole cost of education crap is that no one ever points to the universities. How about they get their budget together? Ever since guaranteed student loans the costs have gone way up and its obvious why. And of course professors push the free college narrative on their dolt, sheepish students...if the govt is paying they will be wearing suits of money!
How about we get rid of these professors that do nothing but think of new ways for people to be offended. Class offerings are getting crazy and unnecessary, kids are getting phony degrees that literally do nothing for them in the real world and then they complain about the 1% and cry for socialism because life isnt given to you and they have to find that out the hard way, when all theyve done the past five years is learn from overpaid, self-rightous professors that America sucks. Sorry, that doesnt give you a skill or a path to a career.
Anyway, how about colleges cut some of their own freaking dead weight to cut the costs of tuition? Its obvious why...but everyone is looking the wrong way. Whenever UNL asks me for money i tell them to go to hell, theyve taken plenty and made me sit through classes that were pointless so they could make an extra buck. I am 100% for the state cutting them off.
Ayct this bugs me....sorry for the rant...get back at it with lincoln streets.
 
Biggest difference between Nebraska and Wyoming is Wyoming has coal and lots of it!!! South Dakota has Mt Rushmore the sad thing is Nebraska doesn't have much for either tourism or natural resources except for water. The college World Series and Nebraska football is the big drawing card, he'll Kansas even has a NASCAR event, don't misunderstand me I love Nebraska it's a great state but very limited
 
This is sort of off topic, but I recently moved from Omaha to West Palm Beach Florida. I drove the 3 days it took to get here, through 9 states. There was a 10 minute section of road in Iowa that was the worst. Another 20 min section of road in lower Georgia that was also in need of repair. The rest of the roads were ALL SUPER NICE. I really do question all the BS about our infrastructure falling apart, at least as it pertains to our interstate roads.
 
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Having spent 12 years at two different universities, and another four as a data analyst for HHS, I might be able to shed some light on the stupid, lazy government employees ruining all of your lives. For this, you need to understand that all federal programs, whether it be roads or food stamps, are administered by the individual states. Some states handle that administration better than others. Big states like California and Texas have the resources to develop highly professional state agencies, while small states can really struggle, sometimes choosing to outsourcing the service delivery instead.

First of all, the biggest problem in each case is the attitude that state employees are all stupid and lazy. This starts in state legislatures. Budgets are always tight, which means salaries at state jobs are significantly lower than private industry. So right off the bat you have self-selected a lower quality of worker. Half the time promotion to manager is based on seniority (they "paid their dues"), rather than achievement, though not always. I've been lucky to have had some very talented managers, in both technical skills and leadership.

Next, because the workers are perceived to all be idiots, you have layer after layer of checks and balances to ensure the lazy workers don't steal public funds. On one project with the unemployment commission we were shocked to discover a 16-step process to close one purchase requisition. Our analyst calculated each requisition cost $80 in labor and materials to process. That means a $12 box of pens really cost $92 (bad example, as they had an exclusive deal for office supplies). At some point all that bureaucracy to prevent theft costs more than the prevented theft would have, probably by a factor of 100.

Finally, you have the regulatory whims of the legislators themselves. The next time a politician is demanding required drug testing for welfare recipients (as an example) and you're screaming yeah at your TV, consider for a second just how much money that is going to cost to administer. First, you have to pay for the drug tests, because you can't ask a single mom of three kids on food stamps to pay $80 out of their own pocket. Next, you have to have all the bureaucracy to ensure testing centers get paid for those tests, people to accurately track the test results, and case managers to deal with the benefits recipients. And at state agencies, these kinds of requirements change EVERY SINGLE YEAR. We had one change where 15% of federal funding had to be used for a newly-created employment service category. It cost thousands of man hours to implement, because out of the blue we had to modify all of our systems and subsystems for new categories, new procedures, and new timesheet requirements. And no, the policy change did not include additional funding to implement (called an unfunded mandate).

In my experience, about 20% of state employees are the worthless slugs you'd expect. The next 60% are average people just trying to do their jobs, which they do satisfactorily. Finally, there are the 20% of the people who are rock states, who generally give a sh&t about their jobs, and do it for less money because they believe in the mission of their employer. This really is no different than any private employer I have had, though it is harder to terminate the slugs at a state agency because of all the regulation (which comes from lawmakers that you elect).

In my opinion, it would work much better if they paid competitive wages, and then empowered employees to make decisions. But that would require legislators to release their iron grip on the bureaucracy, which they would never do.
 
This is OT...so warning people...
But this is correct. What pisses me off about this whole cost of education crap is that no one ever points to the universities. How about they get their budget together? Ever since guaranteed student loans the costs have gone way up and its obvious why. And of course professors push the free college narrative on their dolt, sheepish students...if the govt is paying they will be wearing suits of money!
How about we get rid of these professors that do nothing but think of new ways for people to be offended. Class offerings are getting crazy and unnecessary, kids are getting phony degrees that literally do nothing for them in the real world and then they complain about the 1% and cry for socialism because life isnt given to you and they have to find that out the hard way, when all theyve done the past five years is learn from overpaid, self-rightous professors that America sucks. Sorry, that doesnt give you a skill or a path to a career.
Anyway, how about colleges cut some of their own freaking dead weight to cut the costs of tuition? Its obvious why...but everyone is looking the wrong way. Whenever UNL asks me for money i tell them to go to hell, theyve taken plenty and made me sit through classes that were pointless so they could make an extra buck. I am 100% for the state cutting them off.
Ayct this bugs me....sorry for the rant...get back at it with lincoln streets.



GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!!!
 
Having spent 12 years at two different universities, and another four as a data analyst for HHS, I might be able to shed some light on the stupid, lazy government employees ruining all of your lives. For this, you need to understand that all federal programs, whether it be roads or food stamps, are administered by the individual states. Some states handle that administration better than others. Big states like California and Texas have the resources to develop highly professional state agencies, while small states can really struggle, sometimes choosing to outsourcing the service delivery instead.

First of all, the biggest problem in each case is the attitude that state employees are all stupid and lazy. This starts in state legislatures. Budgets are always tight, which means salaries at state jobs are significantly lower than private industry. So right off the bat you have self-selected a lower quality of worker. Half the time promotion to manager is based on seniority (they "paid their dues"), rather than achievement, though not always. I've been lucky to have had some very talented managers, in both technical skills and leadership.

Next, because the workers are perceived to all be idiots, you have layer after layer of checks and balances to ensure the lazy workers don't steal public funds. On one project with the unemployment commission we were shocked to discover a 16-step process to close one purchase requisition. Our analyst calculated each requisition cost $80 in labor and materials to process. That means a $12 box of pens really cost $92 (bad example, as they had an exclusive deal for office supplies). At some point all that bureaucracy to prevent theft costs more than the prevented theft would have, probably by a factor of 100.

Finally, you have the regulatory whims of the legislators themselves. The next time a politician is demanding required drug testing for welfare recipients (as an example) and you're screaming yeah at your TV, consider for a second just how much money that is going to cost to administer. First, you have to pay for the drug tests, because you can't ask a single mom of three kids on food stamps to pay $80 out of their own pocket. Next, you have to have all the bureaucracy to ensure testing centers get paid for those tests, people to accurately track the test results, and case managers to deal with the benefits recipients. And at state agencies, these kinds of requirements change EVERY SINGLE YEAR. We had one change where 15% of federal funding had to be used for a newly-created employment service category. It cost thousands of man hours to implement, because out of the blue we had to modify all of our systems and subsystems for new categories, new procedures, and new timesheet requirements. And no, the policy change did not include additional funding to implement (called an unfunded mandate).

In my experience, about 20% of state employees are the worthless slugs you'd expect. The next 60% are average people just trying to do their jobs, which they do satisfactorily. Finally, there are the 20% of the people who are rock states, who generally give a sh&t about their jobs, and do it for less money because they believe in the mission of their employer. This really is no different than any private employer I have had, though it is harder to terminate the slugs at a state agency because of all the regulation (which comes from lawmakers that you elect).

In my opinion, it would work much better if they paid competitive wages, and then empowered employees to make decisions. But that would require legislators to release their iron grip on the bureaucracy, which they would never do.
 
Having spent 12 years at two different universities, and another four as a data analyst for HHS, I might be able to shed some light on the stupid, lazy government employees ruining all of your lives. For this, you need to understand that all federal programs, whether it be roads or food stamps, are administered by the individual states. Some states handle that administration better than others. Big states like California and Texas have the resources to develop highly professional state agencies, while small states can really struggle, sometimes choosing to outsourcing the service delivery instead.

First of all, the biggest problem in each case is the attitude that state employees are all stupid and lazy. This starts in state legislatures. Budgets are always tight, which means salaries at state jobs are significantly lower than private industry. So right off the bat you have self-selected a lower quality of worker. Half the time promotion to manager is based on seniority (they "paid their dues"), rather than achievement, though not always. I've been lucky to have had some very talented managers, in both technical skills and leadership.

Next, because the workers are perceived to all be idiots, you have layer after layer of checks and balances to ensure the lazy workers don't steal public funds. On one project with the unemployment commission we were shocked to discover a 16-step process to close one purchase requisition. Our analyst calculated each requisition cost $80 in labor and materials to process. That means a $12 box of pens really cost $92 (bad example, as they had an exclusive deal for office supplies). At some point all that bureaucracy to prevent theft costs more than the prevented theft would have, probably by a factor of 100.

Finally, you have the regulatory whims of the legislators themselves. The next time a politician is demanding required drug testing for welfare recipients (as an example) and you're screaming yeah at your TV, consider for a second just how much money that is going to cost to administer. First, you have to pay for the drug tests, because you can't ask a single mom of three kids on food stamps to pay $80 out of their own pocket. Next, you have to have all the bureaucracy to ensure testing centers get paid for those tests, people to accurately track the test results, and case managers to deal with the benefits recipients. And at state agencies, these kinds of requirements change EVERY SINGLE YEAR. We had one change where 15% of federal funding had to be used for a newly-created employment service category. It cost thousands of man hours to implement, because out of the blue we had to modify all of our systems and subsystems for new categories, new procedures, and new timesheet requirements. And no, the policy change did not include additional funding to implement (called an unfunded mandate).

In my experience, about 20% of state employees are the worthless slugs you'd expect. The next 60% are average people just trying to do their jobs, which they do satisfactorily. Finally, there are the 20% of the people who are rock states, who generally give a sh&t about their jobs, and do it for less money because they believe in the mission of their employer. This really is no different than any private employer I have had, though it is harder to terminate the slugs at a state agency because of all the regulation (which comes from lawmakers that you elect).

In my opinion, it would work much better if they paid competitive wages, and then empowered employees to make decisions. But that would require legislators to release their iron grip on the bureaucracy, which they would never do.


I get what you are saying here, but if you want to get more competitive on the wages, you are going to take a hard look at revising pensions. State pension fund along with social security are basically legal ponzi schemes. I would love to be able to retire at 55 on a pension that is equal to or above my current salary, not to mention current benefits health, time off, every holiday off.

I can tell you that my budget is just as tight as any government budget each year, but I don't have the luxury of increasing a revenue stream through increased taxation. That is just my 2 cents, or make that 1.756432 cents, taxes you know.
 
This thread appears to have been doctored since I looked at it last night.

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This thread appears to have been doctored since I looked at it last night.
The Doctor changed a man to a woman, then back again... then just killed the crazy ass patient and buried the evidence.
 
Having spent 12 years at two different universities, and another four as a data analyst for HHS, I might be able to shed some light on the stupid, lazy government employees ruining all of your lives. For this, you need to understand that all federal programs, whether it be roads or food stamps, are administered by the individual states. Some states handle that administration better than others. Big states like California and Texas have the resources to develop highly professional state agencies, while small states can really struggle, sometimes choosing to outsourcing the service delivery instead.

First of all, the biggest problem in each case is the attitude that state employees are all stupid and lazy. This starts in state legislatures. Budgets are always tight, which means salaries at state jobs are significantly lower than private industry. So right off the bat you have self-selected a lower quality of worker. Half the time promotion to manager is based on seniority (they "paid their dues"), rather than achievement, though not always. I've been lucky to have had some very talented managers, in both technical skills and leadership.

Next, because the workers are perceived to all be idiots, you have layer after layer of checks and balances to ensure the lazy workers don't steal public funds. On one project with the unemployment commission we were shocked to discover a 16-step process to close one purchase requisition. Our analyst calculated each requisition cost $80 in labor and materials to process. That means a $12 box of pens really cost $92 (bad example, as they had an exclusive deal for office supplies). At some point all that bureaucracy to prevent theft costs more than the prevented theft would have, probably by a factor of 100.

Finally, you have the regulatory whims of the legislators themselves. The next time a politician is demanding required drug testing for welfare recipients (as an example) and you're screaming yeah at your TV, consider for a second just how much money that is going to cost to administer. First, you have to pay for the drug tests, because you can't ask a single mom of three kids on food stamps to pay $80 out of their own pocket. Next, you have to have all the bureaucracy to ensure testing centers get paid for those tests, people to accurately track the test results, and case managers to deal with the benefits recipients. And at state agencies, these kinds of requirements change EVERY SINGLE YEAR. We had one change where 15% of federal funding had to be used for a newly-created employment service category. It cost thousands of man hours to implement, because out of the blue we had to modify all of our systems and subsystems for new categories, new procedures, and new timesheet requirements. And no, the policy change did not include additional funding to implement (called an unfunded mandate).

In my experience, about 20% of state employees are the worthless slugs you'd expect. The next 60% are average people just trying to do their jobs, which they do satisfactorily. Finally, there are the 20% of the people who are rock states, who generally give a sh&t about their jobs, and do it for less money because they believe in the mission of their employer. This really is no different than any private employer I have had, though it is harder to terminate the slugs at a state agency because of all the regulation (which comes from lawmakers that you elect).

In my opinion, it would work much better if they paid competitive wages, and then empowered employees to make decisions. But that would require legislators to release their iron grip on the bureaucracy, which they would never do.

This is my fav post!

You forgot the hiring process. Each job has to be advertised in all sorts of publications like Snowflake Times so any human, animal, or tree has the right to apply. And then there's a waiting period or something.
 
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They wanted to 20 years ago, but then city officials realized that it would be more fun to just forget about it and pretend 84th Street was an expressway.
That's actually not accurate, all that stuff is still planned to built at some point, but pretty far into the future. The South Beltway is actually already in planning and currently set to begin construction in 2020. The East Beltway is also in very preliminary planning, but not anywhere near construction.

Building something like a new freeway is not as simple as just saying "Hey, let's build a new freeway!" and starting construction. Massive amounts of planning is required, with input from the Federal Highway Administration and the Nebraska Department of Roads, as well as the City of Lincoln and Lancaster County. Being that it's a completely new road being built, and not just the expansion of an old road or highway, the corridor where the road is to be built has to be acquired and such, this all takes time. That's not to mention environmental impact studies and all that kind of stuff, and most importantly, acquiring the funding. Expanding existing roads these days is already pretty costly, building completely new roads, and 4-lane freeways at that, is off the charts. There is no way that could funded solely by the city; state and probably even federal funding is required, which is why those agencies also have input on the project.

https://lincoln.ne.gov/city/pworks/projects/east-beltway/
http://www.roads.nebraska.gov/projects/bna/first10/fy-2020-2023/lincoln-south-beltway/

Those two links have plenty of info on the subject, a Google search for either "Lincoln East Beltway" or "Lincoln South Beltway" should bring up plenty of other info, including newspaper articles on the subjects.
 
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That's actually not accurate, all that stuff is still planned to built at some point, but pretty far into the future. The South Beltway is actually already in planning and currently set to begin construction in 2020. The East Beltway is also in very preliminary planning, but not anywhere near construction.

If the East Beltway is in "very preliminary planning" twenty years later, that tells me that the political "leaders" of twenty years ago forgot about it. Traffic flow in Lincoln is an embarrassment compared to Omaha.
 
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If the East Beltway is in "very preliminary planning" twenty years later, that tells me that the political "leaders" of twenty years ago forgot about it. Traffic flow in Lincoln is an embarrassment compared to Omaha.
Do you mean like when the City of Lincoln has areas of rapid growth and they decide to turn a 2 lane road into a 2 lane with a center turn lane? When in fact they should just put in a 4 lane upfront. Lincoln seems to plan for a few years of growth, at best.

Their little town mentality is going to haunt them for decades to come when they should have used it to their advantage.
 
Are they building a freeway around the city yet? like a 680 or 480 in Omaha?

You guys in Nebraska have no idea what traffic or lack of freeways really is like. The Puget Sound region (Seattle) is gridlock most of the time. It use to be ok on the weekends but that has even changed for the worse. It is a mess. I have lived in Eastern Washington since 2000. The population is 67,000 and there are only two lane roads in and out of town. We are only 42 miles from Interstate 90. Easy terrain to build a connecting freeway. Our state government would rather waste too much money on bicycle ride share programs that lose millions of dollars, build more and more little used bike lanes, lose over 200 million dollars on a faulty floating bridge design over Lake Washington, spend hundreds of millions on the homeless and create safe sanctuaries for heroin junkies to shoot up. The WDOT claims they don't get enough tax money from our high gas tax ($0.44.5 per gallon) because cars get too good of gas mileage so they now want to put transponders on cars. The transponders will allow the state to tax us for every mile that we drive. The state will also be able to track our movement. The state assures us they would never use the transponders to track our whereabouts . Right!!!!
 
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You guys in Nebraska have no idea what traffic or lack of freeways really is like. The Puget Sound region (Seattle) is gridlock most of the time. It use to be ok on the weekends but that has even changes for the worse. It is a mess. I have lived in Eastern Washington since 2000. The population is 67,000 and there are only two lane roads in and out of town. We are only 42 miles from Interstate 90. Easy terrain to build a connecting freeway. Our state government would rather waste too much money on bicycle ride share programs that lose millions of dollars, build more and more little used bike lanes, lose over 200 million dollars on a faulty floating bridge design over Lake Washington, spend hundreds of millions on the homeless and create safe sanctuaries for heroin junkies to shoot up. The WDOT claims they don't get enough tax money from our high gas tax ($0.44.5 per gallon) because cars get too good of gas mileage so they now want to put transponders on cars. The transponders will allow the state to tax us for every mile that we drive. The state will also be able to track our movement. The state assures us they would never use the transponders to track our whereabouts . Right!!!!

Having lived in both places... agreed. Washington has nice roads when they actually build them but most of the time they're 10 years behind their needs. It has been that way since Microsoft moved out there. Seattle area is stupidly dense for traffic most of the time.
 
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