Signing day takes and grades..SSO

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  1. HBK4life

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    https://forum.huskermax.com/threads/early-signing-day-grades-by-position-coach.115050/ Defensive Backs - Travis Fisher - A+
    Henry Gray - 4 star
    Jaiden Francois - 4 star
    Ronald Delancy - 3 star
    Tamon Lynum - 3 star


    I sit back and look at the improvement of Lamar Jackson, how we have turned Cam Taylor-Britt into a stud, not losing a ton of production when our starting safety went out with a shoulder injury first game of the year, and I start to think it doesn't even matter who Fisher brings in. He just gets it done. With that said, he went ahead and gave himself some insurance by bringing in composite 4 stars Jaiden Francois and Henry Gray, as well as bringing in Ronald Delancy II and Tamon Lynum. Two guys I wasn't quite sure about when we got them, but all of a sudden had pretty good senior years. When you think about who he brought in last year coupled with who we have returning like Bootle, Taylor-Britt, Dismuke, DWilliams, and the future is nothing but bright. This was one of two position groups that the staff was extremely concerned about when they got here in terms of depth. As of right now, Fisher has the most competitive room on the Nebraska football team heading into year 3. An unreal job by a guy I wasn't sure about on the recruiting trail due to his lack of communication on there. But when you also think of the fact that he was a lead recruiter for other 4 stars like LB Keyshawn Greene, it's time to get this guys salary what he deserves.
    Wide Receivers - Troy Walters - A
    Zavier Betts - 4 star
    Marcus Fleming - 4 star
    Omar Manning - 4 star
    Alante Brown - 4 star
    William Nixon - 3 star


    I was going back and forth trying to figure out what I should do here, because I was ecstatic with what we brought in last year, yet none of them could make an impact and help out at a spot we desperately needed it. But I stepped back from the ledge and started to become a bit more realistic. We needed a big play guy with some higher level experience that was a big body, so we go and grab the #1 JUCO WR in the country and composite 4 star Omar Manning... check. Probably need a big bodied stud high school WR too.... go grab composite four star and the 52nd ranked player in the country Zavier Betts. Speed is somewhat important in this offense, may as well send Travis Fisher to go grab a four star WR in Marcus Fleming who reportedly ran a 10.38 100m, that's flying. You also have a Baylor coaches son Will Nixon coming who can be a Wandale Robinson type (in versatility, not quite there athletically) and Alante Brown to round it out. You can't be mad with how we shaped this room when you look at who we brought in the year before as well. Tons of quality, 5 guys give you quantity, and a JUCO spreads you out a bit.

    Quarterbacks - Mario Verduzco - A-
    Logan Smothers - 4 star

    First, let me get out of the way that this is where people usually disagree with me. When you only have to get one guy, it skews how I rate it a bit. For me, it should be a given every year you get a pretty big stud, especially in an offense like that. Last year we pulled in McCaffrey which everyone is excited about, this year we pulled in a guy that as of right now is a better prospect than LM. This is as good as it gets for the Nebraska offense and i'm excited about the battles that he will have with LM in the future. For me, he just gets downgraded a bit due to only needing one guy, but his room is as stacked as it gets. We are lucky to have the depth we do at that position.

    RB - Ryan Held - B+
    Sevion Morrison - 4 star
    Marvin Scott III - 3 star


    This one was a little tougher for me. I think we pulled in some good dudes. A guy like Will Nixon could actually play some RB for us as well. I have been told that Mo Washington will be back as long as his fall grades check out and he walks the line. With that said, I still put things at 50/50 to see him here in the fall because I don't believe he can do that. That puts us in a tough spot if that happens. If Washington comes back, we are able to get guys like Rahmir Johnson, Sevion Morrison, and others to have their first or second year be role guys (like what we did with Ameer Abdullah early). However, if Mo Washington is gone, we have to have guys step into roles earlier than we would like them to, and that could spell disaster. Without Washington, you have Mills and Robinson and a bunch of young talent. RB is the second easiest spot to get on the field, but you still would like to ease people into it. Held did a great job, and who's to say that if Washington is gone we don't go transfer portal route (I'd bet a lot of money Held and Frost are already looking up a contingency plan there). Pretty good haul for Coach Held.

    OL - Greg Austin - B
    Turner Corcoran - 4 star
    Alex Conn - 3 star


    With Christian Gaylord coming back, it made it so we only have 2 spots for OL instead of 3 in this years class. You can't put a price on that type of experience, and hopefully he recovers from his injury. Austin reeled in the best prospect in our class with Turner Corcoran who should see playing time extremely early once Jaimes and Farniok graduate. And there are some reports that Alex Conn may actually be the one that is most ready right now. I have no idea on that, but we certainly need help inside and I'm all about competition. Not a ton to say here with only 2 commits, but we brought in a massive haul last year. However, it reminds me a bit of Austin's first class where all we brought in is Willie Canty and Will Farniok. I don't think either of these guys are an academic risk, but when you only bring in 2, your hit rate chances are smaller. I like this class from Austin, just not your typical numbers you see there.

    LB - Barrett Ruud/Jovan Dewitt - B-
    Keyshawn Greene - 4 star
    Blaise Gunnerson - 3 star
    Eteva Mauga-Clements - 3 star
    Jimari Butler - 3 star
    Niko Cooper - 3 star


    I had to put these two together because like defensive back, I have zero idea who is going to play what position. It was looking a bit dicey early on for us, with only Blaise Gunnerson committed. We then thought Malik Reed was a lock and he flips on us to Wisconsin, a back breaker when you lose one to a division rival. We are sitting at one commit and then we get two JUCOs to commit to us, Aho who was an OLB and Hodge an ILB. I hated Oho's film, didn't like that verbal, but I understood we needed bodies. I liked Hodge's film, but then he took a visit to SMU after committing to us and we cut him loose. Despite needing ILB help, if a kid can't even do the right thing before he's even on campus, time to cut ties. I wasn't mad there. Then we didn't let Aho sign. Fisher reels us in Greene who is an absolute stud, and a guy like Mauga can be a specialist for us whether that's covering a RB out of the backfield or rushing the passer. Jimari Butler intrigues me as well. Gunnerson is a question mark a bit for me as he has had some hip issues and it makes me wonder if he's like a Tre Bryant where we were able to get him when others backed off due to the injuries? There are instances of us getting someone due to that and him flourishing, but there are plenty of opposite examples. Long story short this year reminded me a bit of 2018 again when we had Caleb Tannor and Javonte Jean-Baptiste in the boat, then JJBs school has a snow delay and Urban Meyer gets in his ear and he flips to the Buckeyes. Us losing out on Kaden Johnson took this from an A- class to B-. I think we have enough parts that we definitely upgraded at LB, but a lot of these guys are specialists and not "do it all" guys like Keyshawn Greene, Javonte Jean-Baptiste, or Kaden Johnson. I like this class, there's just a lot up in the air with where they will play and how we will use them.

    DL - Tony Tuioti - C
    Nash Hutmacher - 3 star
    Marquis Black - 3 star
    Jordon Riley - 3 star
    Pheldarius Payne - 3 star


    The good news here is we got our #1 DL target in Nash Hutmacher to come here and play NG for us. That will pay off for 4-5 years, he's going to be a stud. But from there, I don't see a ton of fire power that we landed. Especially when you compare them to last years Jahkeem Green and Ty Robinson. That said, we had to mix up our classes a bit and if we weren't getting traction with high school DL guys we wanted, better to only be tied to a JUCO for a couple years. I'm just not seeing much more than some depth to be added but i'm hoping a high school guy like Marquis Black really takes off in our weight program. I'm a little disappointed with how our DL class turned out but pretty pumped to get Nash. The good news is guys like Jahkeem Green, Ben Stille, Deontre Thomas, Ty Robinson, Tate Wildeman, Casey Rogers, Damion Daniels, they all make a recruiting class for 2020 not as pivotal to our 2020 success.

    TE - Sean Beckton - DNF
    Whatever

    As I said up top, we have some attrition that has already happened, but our total number is capped currently. The attrition frees up us to go after transfer portal guys that can get here in June while filling up our entire signing class and not needing to hold any back for transfers. That's a good spot to be in.
     
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    A_. I still think Zavier Betts is a no show. That Ducker kid is an honor student at Northern Illinois. I have heard from those close to both that Betts is a 1.8 GPA and sub 20 SAT. Not the kind of scores that will get him into Lincoln. Expect Iowa Western or somewhere else.
     
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    If we got Mo Washington on campus, I'm pretty sure Betts will be here in the fall.
     
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    People losing their minds about Washington need to chill. He was a cancer to the program. There was a rift in the locker room towards SF because the players felt he has giving MW way too much latitude. Missing classes, not wanting to work out, late for almost everything he was supposed to be at, and wreaking of pot at nearly everything he did attend.

    Not only that, he didn't really have a position. He wasn't reliable running the ball inside, and didn't like contact. He tried to bounce everything outside. So we got to the point where we would tip off defenses, because they knew we were going to run the ball outside or pass the ball when MW was in the game.

    Good luck to the kid, and good riddance. Now we can have a locker room that is more united, and we can get RBs in the game that can run inside and outside.
     
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    Lol... Betts is definitely going to make it. The info you're hearing is not correct.
     
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    Is anyone really losing their minds over Washington? He really hasn't been with the program since week 4. Hell, he only had 5 carries vs. Minnesota and didn't play the rest of the season.
     
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    He’s not very high on the DL and LB groups in this class. That is concerning.
     
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    Walters was the lead recruiter for 1 of those guys. He needs to be thanking Held and Fisher. Walters get a C-
     
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    Since the season ended, there have been numerous people on this site that have brought the topic up of hoping he can stay on the team, and I just shake my head. The guy needed to go, regardless of his talent level (which wasn't great for an every down back anyway). He was creating a problem in the ranks, because he was getting preferential treatment.
     
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    "We" would be who? The player has to get the grades and test score, no one else. It is out of the coaches hands.
     
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    Yeah, the sub 20 SAT is REALLY bad when you consider the average score is 1,060. But you probably mean ACT.
     
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    Read the first part of article where he explains what he thinks the problem is. He also says what it's not. It comes down to development.
     
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    Where did you hear this, everything as of recent has been pointing to him making it. What you probably heard was how he was doing when he was a sophomore and around that time frame. Even his head coach said he was lazy then. Stuff before looked bad and didn’t look good.

    There has been a few news write ups done (one being with his head coach) and everything has been pointing to him raising his grades and doing everything that’s needed to be done to make to campus. His head coach says he’s proud of Betts and how hard he’s working this year and doing everything required of him to make it to campus this fall. I believe your stuck with past info...you need to catch up my man. It’s not hard to make it to Nebraska and I believe his guidance counselor at school told him what he needed to do to make it to Nebraska and since then he has been busting his ass to get here.
     
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    exactly what I was pointing out in my reply above. Dudes going off of OLD info. Betts has been killing it this year in school. He’s doing everything thats needed to make it. Zavier Betts WILL be here come fall. I can’t help but laugh when we have some that heard crap from years ago and just assume it’s the same today.
     
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    I hope he does make it. The guy I spoke to was about a week ago and I mentioned the things you did. He seemed pretty confident no Betts. I will leave it at that.
     
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    be very surprised if frost let him sign if he wasn't 99% sure he was going to qualify.
     
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    First of all, counselors should not be saying anything. "Working hard" or whatever you have heard means what? None of us knows ANYTHING!

    Getting into Nebraska is NOT the issue, getting through the NCAA Clearinghouse is everything. Don't confuse the different standards.

    Since none of us has seen his grades in CORE classes that he already has taken so there is absolutely no way to know. So to say otherwise is just a shot in the dark guess.

    Lastly, I have rarely seen a student who dug themselves huge holes, not think they can dig out of it somehow.

    I have ZERO info on this, but I do have lots of past experience. I wish the kid the best, hope he has figured it out and will be on campus.
     
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    Whats the minimum for Bellvue for his grades? I believe they have them ,of course, not college level for passing, but he has to have a minimum already. It can vary state to state,even district to district.

    I ask because, if those minimums arent that high in cali or texas, they could be higher in Nebraska, which would mean he's closer than some think.
     
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    1 correction then a few of my own thoughts on this.

    The correction: Marcus Fleming doesn't run a 10.38 100m. His brother, Da'Marcus Fleming, is who ran the 10.38. Marcus is still super fast, but he never ran a 10.38.

    My thoughts: Linebackers is rated too low, should be at least a B+. Grenne is a stud and going to see playing time right away. Same with Mauga. The other 3 are project guys who could contribute later, and any contribution would be a bonus.

    Secondary is rated too high, should be around an A-. Those guys are really good, don't get my wrong, but he didn't pull a bunch of top 100 guys. It seems like Fisher is getting credit for player development in that grade, but no other coach is.

    Lastly, I agree Tuioti was somewhat underwhelming, but Nash was a massive win (eat shit Wisconsin). And don't sleep on Payne. He was a major contributor on the second best Juco team in the nation last year.
     
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    I wonder if former classes, depth of room, and need play into some of this?
     
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    I have no idea what you are asking for certain but I am going to give it a shot.

    A "D" is "passing" if all you want is a HS diploma. A C is an average grade, a D below but generally considered passing. Schools can have variable scales, for instance where I was principal had a scale recommended by the Board of Regents, a 93 was a B.

    Just passing with a D or maybe a C average won't get you into a university/4 year college (I do not know what the NE requirement is but I know what KS regents schools require).

    The NCAA requirements are what the athlete has to meet. That includes grades in CORE subjects and a qualifying ACT score that depends on the core GPA.

    It doesn't matter what the requirements are in Lincoln, McCook, or a Omaha school, the NCAA sets the standards for athletic admissions, not the HS. The college can have higher standards, i.e. Stanford, Northwestern, or Notre Dame.

    If I further confused things, let me know.
     
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    On the path academically, Betts signs with Huskers
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    • Dec 19, 1:42 PM
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    Bellevue West's talented wide receiver Zavier Betts has carried his on-field momentum to the classroom, enough so that he's on a path where Nebraska coaches extended an opportunity for Betts to sign in the early period this week.

    The four-star talent Betts took the Nebraska coaches up on that offer, and became a Husker by signing his letter of intent on Thursday. There will be a signing ceremony at Bellevue West at 7:30 on Friday morning.

    "We've been very upfront with the guys at Nebraska. We feel very comfortable about the path that Zavier's on," Bellevue West coach Michael Huffman told Husker247. "It's kind of funny because these little things, going from a C to a B or a B to an A, actually makes a huge difference in GPA. And Zavier in a couple classes has really surprised us. So that made a nice jump for him. He's just been doing a really, really good job."

    Husker head coach Scott Frost was at Bellevue West in October, and hung out at the school for about 90 minutes, and was talking to everyone he could. And Nebraska staffers have kept a close eye since on the progress Betts was making toward reaching the marks he needed.

    "Coach Frost, or someone in the football offices, called our guidance counselor after the latest grades – because we're in our finals today and tomorrow – and asked what they were. And they obviously liked what they heard, so they called Zavier and asked him if he would sign this week to be a part of this special class. I mean, they knocked it out of the park yesterday, and I think they want to keep rolling with that momentum."

    Betts is coming off being part of a state championship team at Bellevue West, in which he contributed 1,185 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns on 64 catches. One of the best local wide receiver talents to come out of Nebraska in some time, he's No. 107 on the 247Sports composite rankings, and represents the 10th four-star in the class of 23 to sign early for Frost's program.

    The 6-2, 195-pound Betts totaled 3,330 receiving yards in his career, and dazzled at camps like the Friday Night Lights event in Lincoln this summer, highlighting himself as someone the Huskers needed to have. He'll join a promising recruiting class of receivers that includes ballyhooed JUCO star Omar Manning, as well as Will Nixon, Alante Brown and Marcus Fleming from the high school ranks.

    It has been known for a while that Betts had some ground to cover academically to be able to sign with Nebraska. The recruit has been meeting the challenge so far.

    "I'm just so proud of him, man," Huffman said. "Early in his career, it was always an excuse this, an excuse that. Well now, if something doesn't quite go the way we want it to go, he's owning it. I've been working with kids for 22 years and when they start owning it themselves rather than placing blame, that's when real change happens."

    The work isn't done. By signing, it's only heightening the stakes.

    "He still has to stay the path. If he signs and he slips second semester, then it's all for naught. We have too much pride for that here as competitors, both Zavier Betts and Bellevue West. We're going to be all over it. I actually like this move. I know it's a risk. But I like this move because man, what Coach Frost and that staff just did, it shows from them that they believe in him. And the power of belief in a lot of these young men is what they need."

    Huffman could see the sadness Betts had that he probably wasn't going to be able to sign on Wednesday when most did. Betts understood why the situation was that way, but it still stung. Betts would often text his coach along the way, "Where am I at?"

    This time, with this news, he met his coach with a sheepish grin.

    "It made my heart melt," Huffman said. "I'm not just a football coach. I'm a dad too, and I have my own children. Your heart hurts when you see them sad and your heart is awesome when you see them happy. I'm glad I have an awesome heart right now."

    Again, Zavier Betts will make it unless he suddenly gives up. So enough of the “He won’t make it” comments. Have some faith in Frost and Zavier Betts. The young man is busting his ass to get here and he will.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/247spo...ing-with-Nebraska-early-period-140859038/Amp/



     
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    I feel like your posts are you just talking to yourself...
     
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    You don't need a 20 to get into Nebraska if you are in state. Maybe to play sports, but not to enroll at Nebraska
     
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    My guy says your guy is not the right guy.
     
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    Some states high schools have a grade point average to hit and maintain in order to be eligible, and it varies of course, but getting say D- you cant play, let alone get to the next level.
     
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    I'll take "zero credibility" for 1000 Alex.
     
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    Pretty good summary, but I would give OL a lower grade. The offensive line is by far the hardest position to transition from high school to college. It takes years to grow players into that position. So you're not recruiting OL for the fall, or even the next year. You're looking 2-3-4 years down the road. Since half of your recruits are going to fail to contribute in any meaningful way, only two OL can create a big talent gap down the road. A gap that cannot be plugged quickly or easily. We've had bad luck with JUCO OL for a reason.

    Yes, the 2019 class was big (6), but the 2018 class was small (2). That makes 10 guys from three full classes. They'll be lucky to cobble together a starting five from that group. They'll be "one hit away" from a 2019-type line that can only scream "DUCK!" as they ole! block Big Ten defenders.

    Want to impress me, and convince me that they're committed to having a great offensive line again? Recruit five linemen per class, up the competition and quality level, and make that the point of emphasis for your offense. A great offensive line can make an average running back look amazing. But a bad offensive line can ruin even the most talented backfield.
     
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    I think some are aiming too high,let alone not respecting our past at walkon.

    Knowing that it takes years to develope, those walkons aren't exactly sitting on their thumbs. Having the length,height and frame, possessing great feet and balance and bend to leverage etc, doesn't mean you have the weight, or, your body is developed in the right areas. This is a preferred walkon, or, a project scholly player, where coaches recognize things in certain players that could translate through developement.

    Last year, the last three games, our line started to come together, no doubt about it, it's the toughest time of the year, everyones nicked up, most have lost weight,it's a long season. But, we improved precisely then.
    While we can improve,and we do have potential to add a few guys this year.
    This year, the entire team will have competition like we haven't seen in quite some time, and it wont end at the O line.
    If our starters return, it will only be because they beat out guys coming off of injury,Gaylord,our highest graded O lineman before his injury, Benhart,nuff said there,does Raridon put it together, several others as well, plus Corcoran, and the nagging rumor Conn may be more ready than folks think.

    So, our numbers are higher than theyve been in awhile,with more potential, and beating out a starter from a line that did put more yards on wiscy than any other team is a positive statement as to the direction of the line.
     
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    It’s definitely possible lol.
     
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    His assessment of Mauga is that he's too small,and will be a situational player, we lost out to two Big rivals on two higher guys.
    I think Mauga is going to surprise, and Greene is Greene, so to me, its a scratch as to who we didnt get, and I agree,too low.
    Mauga grew too much, maintained his speed, but has yet to fill out, all signs of a late bloomer.
     
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