Should Mo be kicked off the team?

Should Mo be kicked off the team

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Redondo

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Well, because it is what I would do. I can't imagine having a conversation with my parents about having a 3some and saying that it was what I wanted to do.

With that said, if I was raped, I would not only report it, I would want the people that did it to be killed...immediately.

So for me, it doesn't add up.
so, you are admitting that you don't know, those to be the facts, You are only speculating by your own biased opinion. That is your choice as you have freedom of speech, but, in reality, you don't really know
 

red-one21

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Lets be clear, sending a video over the internet of someone who is a minor engaging in sexual acts is a federal offense, felony level. Washington was legally an adult when he did so, not a kid.
Nobody is arguing age or the statute. The law is more of a guide outside of mandatory sentences in some crimes. The dynamics of this situation do matter and should be taking into account when it comes to punishment. Believe me. None of us want you to keep repeating yourself, so don’t. Recognize what we’re actually debating at this point. You’re becoming redundant.
 

JohnRossEwing

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You weren't insinuating that she made a pornographic video? And you aren't insinuating that she lied to her parents because she was afraid of admitting the truth? Please explain what you mean by the quote then.
She did make a video, that doesn't make her a porn star, that was your comment, weirdo.
 

jmliehr

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She did make a video, that doesn't make her a porn star, that was your comment, weirdo.
She didn't make the video, my "apologies" for misquoting you. You clearly did not intend to disparage her when you called her a "film star", I obviously misread your virtuous and well meaning intent with the phrase.
 

husker2612

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You are a piece of trash, accusing a then 15 year old girl of being a porn star and labeling her a liar. What the hell is wrong with you?
We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.
 

JohnRossEwing

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She didn't make the video, my "apologies" for misquoting you. You clearly did not intend to disparage her when you called her a "film star", I obviously misread your virtuous and well meaning intent with the phrase.
It is okay and thank you for the apology. I appreciate that.
 

Brad Tucker

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ME TOO Movement may have the last word on who stays or goes this is 2019 and perception trumps most everything whether you agree or not.
 

red-one21

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Why do you have to take sides at all, since you agree none of us know all the info?
B/c the pitchforks came out and it needed to be leveled out. Also not all laws that are broken deserves to be tried by the “letter of the law” or to have the “book thrown at them.” These commonly used terms exist for a reason. The law is somewhat fluid outside of mandatory minimum sentences for specific crimes. Precedents are big in the legal world and a precedent for what I believe to be a worse crime has been set in this situation. The disagreement here is about a warranted punishment.
 
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jmliehr

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We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.
It's not really that logical, we don't know how long the video was, we don't know where it was focused or what it captured. A logical conclusion would be that there may not be enough evidence to support a rape charge, a stretch would be to call the girl a liar.
 

red-one21

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Im not trolling, just having a conversation. It just looks like it’s deeper than whats on the surface currently. Agree or no?
It does appear to be deeper, but that depth can also vindicate. You came to troll as soon as you saw the article.
 

MavsOnTheMove

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Im not trolling, just having a conversation. It just looks like it’s deeper than whats on the surface currently. Agree or no?
No, I don't agree at all. What's on the surface is that he's facing criminal charges, the evidence seems pretty damning, and his former attorney didn't take the matter seriously enough. And now he has a new attorney. That's plenty "deep," even without any additional conspiracy theories.
 

Brad Tucker

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Why is anyone even talking about the girl? Isn’t the issue about child porn? Did the video show minors? Simple yes or no. Was M Washington an adult when he sent it? Simple yes or no. Does California have a revenge porn law? Simple yes or no. Looking for loopholes or placing the blame even partially on a minor child who may have been the victim of a gang rape does not reflect well on those who ventured down that path.
 

husker2612

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It's not really that logical, we don't know how long the video was, we don't know where it was focused or what it captured. A logical conclusion would be that there may not be enough evidence to support a rape charge, a stretch would be to call the girl a liar.
Agree, putting guilt on anyone before all the facts are out is premature;)
 
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scarletred

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Why is anyone even talking about the girl? Isn’t the issue about child porn? Did the video show minors? Simple yes or no. Was M Washington an adult when he sent it? Simple yes or no. Does California have a revenge porn law? Simple yes or no. Looking for loopholes or placing the blame even partially on a minor child who may have been the victim of a gang rape does not reflect well on those who ventured down that path.
If it was gang rape how come one of them on the video was charged with a misdemeanor for showing it in 2016..
 

jmliehr

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Why is anyone even talking about the girl? Isn’t the issue about child porn? Did the video show minors? Simple yes or no. Was M Washington an adult when he sent it? Simple yes or no. Does California have a revenge porn law? Simple yes or no. Looking for loopholes or placing the blame even partially on a minor child who may have been the victim of a gang rape does not reflect well on those who ventured down that path.
The answer is obviously because she has came out with a public accusation to the media, it is only natural to discuss.

The answers to all are apparently yes, and I do agree with the last line.
 

JohnRossEwing

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Why is anyone even talking about the girl? Isn’t the issue about child porn? Did the video show minors? Simple yes or no. Was M Washington an adult when he sent it? Simple yes or no. Does California have a revenge porn law? Simple yes or no. Looking for loopholes or placing the blame even partially on a minor child who may have been the victim of a gang rape does not reflect well on those who ventured down that path.
I think most of us are actually debating a different topic now. We are discussing the laws and how they are interpreted.

So, I think that is why. Does that help?
 
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SC_'sker

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someone on here complained about the old guy who had a bunch of videos was a a pedophile and then wanted to say the Mo shouldn’t be treated the same way. Just trying to point out the foolishness of it. Apparently I’m not doing a good job, sorry.
Ah ok. Gotcha now.
 
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jmliehr

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If it was gang rape how come one of them on the video was charged with a misdemeanor for showing it in 2016..
I haven't actually seen the specifics of the case regarding felony vs misdemeanor, probation and diversion are not uncommon in juvenile cases at all, being that the individual was a minor at the time it is unlikely that that it will come out publicly.
 
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JohnRossEwing

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I think this has been a fun thread. A few posters had to throw out some jabs and stuff like that but for the most part, it has been great.
 

red-one21

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Why is anyone even talking about the girl? Isn’t the issue about child porn? Did the video show minors? Simple yes or no. Was M Washington an adult when he sent it? Simple yes or no. Does California have a revenge porn law? Simple yes or no. Looking for loopholes or placing the blame even partially on a minor child who may have been the victim of a gang rape does not reflect well on those who ventured down that path.
Is it common to be expelled for a filmed gang rape and for the rapist to get short term probation? I believe the law was intended to curb people from distributing personal intimate videos w/o consent to the masses to hurt their former sexual partner.
 

Brad Tucker

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If it was gang rape how come one of them on the video was charged with a misdemeanor for showing it in 2016..
The female child said it was not consensual and more than 1 male took part, if it was consensual why would M Washington make the comment he did? It sounded to me like it was made as a derogatory statement. But with that all said I prefaced my comment by saying “may have”.
 

Pennsyhusker

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Ok. Here are my two cents. Probably not even worth that...
No, he should not be kicked off the team. What he did was cruel and spiteful and brain dead. But the idea that this young guy is trafficking in “child porn” is an example of something violating the letter of the law but not its inner intent. The dude was sending an ex girlfriend he was bitter towards a spiteful video hoping to hurt her. He was stupid not to remember that she was 15 in the video. But I think this is a case where the law should frown on his stupidity but not criminalize it.

And I would feel this way even if he weren’t a star Husker player. He did not send this video around trying to publicly shame her, which is what the revenge porn laws are seeking to curb. No... he sent it privately to her and only her.

He should have to sit out a game or two. But in my view he should not be kicked off the team,unless more damning evidence is brought forward
 

red-one21

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It’s ironic to me that all the “pitchfork” posters quit posting around the end of day time periods for most employees. Almost like they are spending they’re work days blogging.
 
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scarletred

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The female child said it was not consensual and more than 1 male took part, if it was consensual why would M Washington make the comment he did? It sounded to me like it was made as a derogatory statement. But with that all said I prefaced my comment by saying “may have”.
Fair enough, It May have hurt him when the video was sent to him seeing two boys with her having sex.. I’m sure he was hurt watching this at the time.. His mistake was keeeping it and then distributing it back to her..
 

Baxter48

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Can't let the stupidity of this post go.

So, in order to teach the child porn distributor of a possible sexual assault a lesson, let's put him in a shelter with women who have been assaulted! I'm sure those women would have no problem with this, as long as it goes towards making his life better.

Brilliant!
A little humility, you be surprised what it can do. I was like kick them to the curb also, once I saw the documentary of running for his life, that a real eye opener. Out here in flyover county we can't phantom what happens in the inner city's we have blinders on. I can truly understand why TO kept giving LP another chance. There are third world countries that take better care of there children than what happens in the inner cities in the USA. Like I said in another post give the kid another chance. If sports is the only way of getting these kids a new lease on life so be it. Not you Hawkeye troll go away back to cheering on coach Kirk on another 8 win season and winning a couple of trophy games that are basically meaningless
 

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The female child said it was not consensual and more than 1 male took part, if it was consensual why would M Washington make the comment he did? It sounded to me like it was made as a derogatory statement. But with that all said I prefaced my comment by saying “may have”.
His comment was “Remember this hoe [sic].” How does this in any way indicate whether or not he thought it was consensual? Looks to me like he was just calling her a ho (hoe).
 

Baxter48

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We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.
How is the law written about child porn? If a 15 year old guy give his 15 year old friend a copy of playboy or hustler does he get into trouble? Or is it just pictures of naked minors where people get into trouble? Can a minor buy a playboy or is there a minimum age?
 

Husker Todd

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We don't know what happened. Since this happened 3 years ago and the police have had the video for almost a year. Since there still have been no charges of rape. It is just a logical assumption that she might not be telling the truth. The simplest explanation is usually the correct answer. As I said the police have had the video for almost a year. If there was any indication of her fighting or struggling before, during or after. Charges would have been pressed.
Why is it always a male who presumes to decide how a woman, or in this case a young girl of 15, should respond when being raped? Allegedly 2 males, that were likely bigger and stronger than her, raped her. The fact that she didn't fight or struggle is not an indication that she wasn't raped. Everyone does not react the same in stressful situations, she may have froze and thought it best if she didn't struggle for her safety. Also, not reporting is very common, for fear of being branded and humiliated by jackasses like @JohnRossEwing. For you and everyone else who thinks it is okay to presume to know how she should feel and react, that is a garbage take and you people are trash.

Now for the original purpose of this thread, yes I think he should get his day in court. But I think he should be removed from the team for a couple of reasons. It's a black eye for the team, the Athletic Dept. and the University. Secondly, because Scott's own words about social media and recruiting higher character individuals, it's a bad look and sends the wrong message if he doesn't follow through. Thirdly, someone posted some rules from the student code of conduct, these indicated their hands may be tied. But they could just ignore these, problem is you could open the University up to litigation from any student who was expelled for violating these codes.

In the end it doesn't matter what you, I or anyone else thinks. This decision will be made by Scott, Moos and the University administration and will be their burden to carry.
 

Baxter48

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I'm by no means supporting child pornography think is rather disgusting and sick. But kids will be kids you tell them don't smoke and now we have a increase in kids smoking which btw is illegal. Tell the kids don't drink alcohol some will do it just to see if they can get away with it. Believe me I've been given a second chance thanks to a high school principal.
 

SC_'sker

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Ok. Here are my two cents. Probably not even worth that...
No, he should not be kicked off the team. What he did was cruel and spiteful and brain dead. But the idea that this young guy is trafficking in “child porn” is an example of something violating the letter of the law but not its inner intent. The dude was sending an ex girlfriend he was bitter towards a spiteful video hoping to hurt her. He was stupid not to remember that she was 15 in the video. But I think this is a case where the law should frown on his stupidity but not criminalize it.

And I would feel this way even if he weren’t a star Husker player. He did not send this video around trying to publicly shame her, which is what the revenge porn laws are seeking to curb. No... he sent it privately to her and only her.

He should have to sit out a game or two. But in my view he should not be kicked off the team,unless more damning evidence is brought forward
Very well said.
 
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barney44

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I am not convinced of that, and it's irrelevant anyway. Washington was 18 years old, fully an adult according to the law.
It’s a good thing you’re not judge, jury and executioner, all our youth would be on death row for stealing candy bars..
 

CatColumbia

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Ok. Here are my two cents. Probably not even worth that...
No, he should not be kicked off the team. What he did was cruel and spiteful and brain dead. But the idea that this young guy is trafficking in “child porn” is an example of something violating the letter of the law but not its inner intent. The dude was sending an ex girlfriend he was bitter towards a spiteful video hoping to hurt her. He was stupid not to remember that she was 15 in the video. But I think this is a case where the law should frown on his stupidity but not criminalize it.

And I would feel this way even if he weren’t a star Husker player. He did not send this video around trying to publicly shame her, which is what the revenge porn laws are seeking to curb. No... he sent it privately to her and only her.

He should have to sit out a game or two. But in my view he should not be kicked off the team,unless more damning evidence is brought forward
Great take! I see a suspension as well. I don’t believe he should be kicked off. He needs to get common sense in him, and quick.
 

jrhuskerdad

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Ok. Here are my two cents. Probably not even worth that...
No, he should not be kicked off the team. What he did was cruel and spiteful and brain dead. But the idea that this young guy is trafficking in “child porn” is an example of something violating the letter of the law but not its inner intent. The dude was sending an ex girlfriend he was bitter towards a spiteful video hoping to hurt her. He was stupid not to remember that she was 15 in the video. But I think this is a case where the law should frown on his stupidity but not criminalize it.

And I would feel this way even if he weren’t a star Husker player. He did not send this video around trying to publicly shame her, which is what the revenge porn laws are seeking to curb. No... he sent it privately to her and only her.

He should have to sit out a game or two. But in my view he should not be kicked off the team,unless more damning evidence is brought forward
The UNL code of conduct indicates that the university can take disciplinary action regardless of whether someone who has committed sexual assault has charges reduced or dropped. Thus, it appears that if he indeed violated the letter of the law, regardless of the intent, that the university can impose their own punishment if they so choose. And by university I mean the Title IX Office, not the coach.

"1d. Sexual misconduct by or against a student may be investigated by the University whether it is alleged to have been committed on or off campus."

"1f. The University may pursue disciplinary action against a student at the same time the student is facing criminal charges for the same offense, even if the criminal prosecution is pending, or has been dismissed, or the charges have been reduced."

The curious thing will be to see if the code of conduct applies here. This is what it states:

"The Student Code applies to student conduct which occurs from the time of enrollment through the actual awarding of a degree, even if the conduct occurs prior to the start of classes or is discovered after a degree is awarded."

So when did he enroll? For an athlete, does that period of time start with the signing of the LOI?

https://studentconduct.unl.edu/student-code-conduct#appendix-A
 
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SC_'sker

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OP, please make the poll a public poll so that we can see which trolls are voting and which choice they voted for.

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