Question concerning NU/Wisconsin

[inWV]

I stipulate that this is a low probability outcome, but what if NU loses to the Badgers, but then beat tOSU and wins out. Do they win the West with one conference loss to Wiscy's two? Or is it determined by the head to head matchup? Or what if NU loses to tOSU and the Badgers, but the Cheeseheads drop another to either Iowa or Northwestern. Both NU and Wiscy would have one division loss with Wiscy owning the head to head, but with one more conference loss?
Can we back into the title game even if we lose to Wisconsin?

 

[jlb321]

Nebraska would win the division with one loss over a 2 loss Wisky despite losing to them

 

[headcard]

Division record, with head to head the tie breaker.

 

[jlb321]

Division record, with head to head the tie breaker.

??? isn't it conference record with head to head the tie breaker .. I think Wisconsin can go undefeated in the division and still not win it due to cross divisional losses

apologies if I am mistaken

 

[headcard]

??? isn't it conference record with head to head the tie breaker

Sorry, you're right. Conference record.

A three-way tie is where it gets wild:

The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 6 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
6. The representative will be chosen by random draw.

 

[newAD]

??? isn't it conference record with head to head the tie breaker .. I think Wisconsin can go undefeated in the division and still not win it due to cross divisional losses

apologies if I am mistaken

Believe you are right. Wisky could win out, Nebraska could lose only to Wisky, and Nebraska would be division champs.

 

[newAD]

Sorry, you're right. Conference record.

A three-way tie is where it gets wild:

The following procedure will determine the representative from each division in the event of a tie:
(a) If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
(b) If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 6 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other.
2. The records of the three tied teams will be compared within their division.
3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5, 6, and 7).
4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents.
5. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative.
6. The representative will be chosen by random draw.

Looking at that above, there is an awful lot on the line Saturday at 11 in Iowa City between Wisky and Iowa. No one is truly out of the race right now.

 

[swissticuffs]

Where I'm struggling is who I should root for this weekend between Wisky/Iowa.

If Wisky loses they are damn near out of the race in the middle of Oct and it likely comes down to NU and Iowa.That would destroy the national perception of the game as Wisky would be on a 3 game losing streak so it would be a lose/lose for NU.

I guess I just want to see NU in Indy so I'm rooting for Iowa (they still have Michigan).

 

[Jm9008]

Root for Iowa Saturday, it will drop Wisconsin behind and Iowa will almost definitely lose to Michigan at home a couple of weeks later dropping them behind. We could lose both Wisconsin and OSU and still win the division that way. That's how I'm looking at it anyways.

 

[Husker Sledge]

Root for Iowa Saturday, it will drop Wisconsin behind and Iowa will almost definitely lose to Michigan at home a couple of weeks later dropping them behind. We could lose both Wisconsin and OSU and still win the division that way. That's how I'm looking at it anyways.

I'm definitely pulling for Wisconsin. The Badgers have a tough schedule and could run out of gas and lose at NW. Plus I hate Iowa!

 

[mwulf]

Listened to Sam today on Bottom Line and he said we should be rooting for Wisconsin....Said Iowa will lose another conference game or two for sure and if we beat Wis the division would be ours regardless of what we do in Iowa City....he also had some pretty harsh things to say about our O Line...said next year is gonna be ugly without Tommy there to bail tem out

 

[Husker Sledge]

I disagree on the o-line next year. Throw in a healthy Foster we could be VERY good up front next year and actually have some quality depth. We could still win the west losing to Wisconsin and OSU. Just have to pray that the Badgers slip up at NW. If we squeak out a victory in Madison we should finish out good and head to Big 10 title game.

 

[scarletred]

Listened to Sam today on Bottom Line and he said we should be rooting for Wisconsin....Said Iowa will lose another conference game or two for sure and if we beat Wis the division would be ours regardless of what we do in Iowa City....he also had some pretty harsh things to say about our O Line...said next year is gonna be ugly without Tommy there to bail tem out

I understand that Tommie bails out of trouble pretty good and avoids numerous sacks but after that it goes down to his decision making.....

I find it hard to believe with what we have coming back and the 3 we are red shirting that we would be worse on the O-Ine than we are this year.

On Wisconsin beat Iowa !

 

[Jm9008]

Listened to Sam today on Bottom Line and he said we should be rooting for Wisconsin....Said Iowa will lose another conference game or two for sure and if we beat Wis the division would be ours regardless of what we do in Iowa City....he also had some pretty harsh things to say about our O Line...said next year is gonna be ugly without Tommy there to bail tem out

O line depends on if gates leaves this year or next year. I don't think there is anyway he stays for his full eligibility. Hopefully he comes back for one more, he is the leader of that group and brings a toughness I don't see them replacing with anybody currently on the roster. We should have much better depth next year tho, which will help tremendously.

 

[Husker Sledge]

I understand that Tommie bails out of trouble pretty good and avoids numerous sacks but after that it goes down to his decision making.....

I find it hard to believe with what we have coming back and the 3 we are red shirting that we would be worse on the O-Ine than we are this year.

On Wisconsin beat Iowa !

If they stay healthy next year we'll have a damn good o-line. Don't know why anyone would say otherwise?

 

[Jm9008]

I'm definitely pulling for Wisconsin. The Badgers have a tough schedule and could run out of gas and lose at NW. Plus I hate Iowa!

Not a bad point, but I think it's more likely Iowa shoots themselves in the foot this year than Wisconsin. I have more faith in us pulling the win at Iowa than I do at Wisconsin so it would make me feel better if Wisconsin does us a favor and takes themselves out of the race.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

You always want the easiest path. We want Iowa to win this weekend and Iowa to lose later when playing Michigan.

 

[dckchusker]

Listened to Sam today on Bottom Line and he said we should be rooting for Wisconsin....Said Iowa will lose another conference game or two for sure and if we beat Wis the division would be ours regardless of what we do in Iowa City....he also had some pretty harsh things to say about our O Line...said next year is gonna be ugly without Tommy there to bail tem out

I'm more worried about this year getting ugly with the number of injuries on offense. It's tough calling plays when the majority of your O-Linemen, RB's, and WR's are banged up, and your QB is hobbled. I don't think Gates has shown enough yet to be a first day draft pick, but then I thought that last year about VV, so who knows?

 

[newAD]

You always want the easiest path. We want Iowa to win this weekend and Iowa to lose later when playing Michigan.

When you look at all the schedules, that's kind of where I end up. Iowa with a let down at PSU a week after Wisky helps the easy route too.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

This is Nebraska. We don't consider scenarios involving a loss.

 

[Hawkeye_311]

When you look at all the schedules, that's kind of where I end up. Iowa with a let down at PSU a week after Wisky helps the easy route too.

Iowa has a bye after the Wisconsin game.

 

[newAD]

Iowa has a bye after the Wisconsin game.

Sorry, next game.

 

[bvkley]

Just win baby!! Have Wisconsin beat iowa Wisconsin will be a top 10 team then all the naysayers can shut there mouths about who we beat. Then we worry about ohio state

 

[DudznSudz]

Im surprised people think our O-line will be weaker next year? We have a ton of young talent coming up, plus a number of starters will be here still. I think Gates stays next year, too. If anything, I think our O-line will be far, far better next year.

 

[hddude55]

In spite of the Bad Tommy/Good Tommy deal at qb, he is a three and a half year starter who is an escape artist. Next year figures to be somewhat worse just by plugging in a new qb -- and if that new qb has to run for his life like Tommy did last Saturday, yikes. So we'd better hope the oline is no worse than this year and that means Gates returning.

 

[nebcountry]

Concerning the division title and Wisconsin. We just need to have less conference losses than the other teams. WIsconsin is half way through running the gauntlet, with 2 close losses against top 5 teams. From my perspective, we need to beat Wiscy if we want to beat our chests, otherwise we're still not the best team in the division. Iowa has lost to N'western. They still have to play Wiscy (this week) and later Michigan. At this point, Michigan is shaping up like an impending curb stomping for Iowa.

Concerning next year. Unless I hear otherwise, we'll get foster back. But we may be relying on this years true freshman class to fill out our 2-deep/starters. It's just opinion, but TA's running abilility (and elusiveness) is what's keeping us in the discussion this year. If we only have a qb that looks good throwing a bad ball next year, we'll be taking some steps back.

 

[timnsun]

Concerning the division title and Wisconsin. We just need to have less conference losses than the other teams. WIsconsin is half way through running the gauntlet, with 2 close losses against top 5 teams. From my perspective, we need to beat Wiscy if we want to beat our chests, otherwise we're still not the best team in the division. Iowa has lost to N'western. They still have to play Wiscy (this week) and later Michigan. At this point, Michigan is shaping up like an impending curb stomping for Iowa.

Concerning next year. Unless I hear otherwise, we'll get foster back. But we may be relying on this years true freshman class to fill out our 2-deep/starters. It's just opinion, but TA's running abilility (and elusiveness) is what's keeping us in the discussion this year. If we only have a qb that looks good throwing a bad ball next year, we'll be taking some steps back.

Nice take, but not sure what you mean by the bold above... are the returning QBs bad ball throwers?

They may not have the feet of Tommy, but by all accounts they will be purer passers...

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Going pro as a RS Soph? Dont see anyone on the team we have to worry about that.
And I would more worried about DT depth than Oline.

 

[headcard]

Our current OL is a MASH unit, pretty absurd to act like that is the OL we will have next year. We will return 3 starters (Gates, Farmer and Knevel) and get Foster back, that is some talent. Still need to improve depth so we don't get into a situation like we have right now, but I tend to think our OL will be a strength next year.

 

[chicolby]

The West is definitely wild this year (or at least projecting to be wild.) Nebraska has a nice win over Northwestern who is probably a tougher out for teams now that they've found some momentum. Iowa maybe has also turned the corner, and as bad as they have seemed, they only have one conference loss currently. Wisconsin already has 2 conference losses, so one more should put them in a very shaky situation.

If we assume that Nebraska loses @ Wisconsin and @ Ohio State (I'm not predicting it, just assuming the worst), that would put Nebraska at 6-2 in conference before the Friday game vs. Iowa.

Iowa still plays Wisconsin, at Penn State, vs. Michigan - let's give them benefit of the doubt that they win 2 out of those 3 leaving them also at 6-2 going into the Friday game vs. Nebraska. The winner of that game should be sitting pretty in that scenario.

Wisconsin already has 2 losses and frankly can't afford another, but if Wisconsin can beat Iowa and Nebraska and @ Northwestern, they would be in the driver's seat.

Actually, after typing all of this, there is just too much football ahead to start projecting. I only know this - if Nebraska would ONLY lose to Ohio State and Wisconsin, I have to think their record with 2 losses should be good enough to get them to the conf. championship game.

 

[nebcountry]

Nice take, but not sure what you mean by the bold above... are the returning QBs bad ball throwers?

They may not have the feet of Tommy, but by all accounts they will be purer passers...

It certainly could be argued that on a number of plays TA could step up into the pocket as opposed to evading sackers. We've given up (I think) 4 sacks this year, which is a pretty dang good number. It looks like Tanner Lee (TL) has gotten more press to be the qb starter next year. TL transferred because Tulsa was going to the spread and he was going to be replaced? Okay, so what is he lacking that kept him from starting at the American Athletic Conference's Tulsa Green Wave?

TA as a freshman completed about 52% of his passes with a rating of 124. TL as a sophomore completed about 52% of his passes with a rating of 110. Take away an ability to run the ball and evade. You can poo-pah Mike Leach, but he likes accuracy.

It seems like there were quite a few "what-if" scenarios for how much better TA would be this year. Last year 55.2 completion%, year to date 55.5 completion%. TA has cut his INT rate by about half. But, at least by my account, we're relying heavily on TA's legs.

 

[timnsun]

It certainly could be argued that on a number of plays TA could step up into the pocket as opposed to evading sackers. We've given up (I think) 4 sacks this year, which is a pretty dang good number. It looks like Tanner Lee (TL) has gotten more press to be the qb starter next year. TL transferred because Tulsa was going to the spread and he was going to be replaced? Okay, so what is he lacking that kept him from starting at the American Athletic Conference's Tulsa Green Wave?

TA as a freshman completed about 52% of his passes with a rating of 124. TL as a sophomore completed about 52% of his passes with a rating of 110. Take away an ability to run the ball and evade. You can poo-pah Mike Leach, but he likes accuracy.

It seems like there were quite a few "what-if" scenarios for how much better TA would be this year. Last year 55.2 completion%, year to date 55.5 completion%. TA has cut his INT rate by about half. But, at least by my account, we're relying heavily on TA's legs.

Thanks for the reply. I get that TL's stats at Tulane look pedestrian, but by many accounts he is supposedly very accurate. It was not pro style system he was in and he had no protection from his line. If our line doesn't block for him, we may be in some big trouble, and I guess we won't know how accurate he truly is until next season, but the reports seem to indicate an NFL arm on this kid.

 

[nebcountry]

Thanks for the reply. I get that TL's stats at Tulane look pedestrian, but by many accounts he is supposedly very accurate. It was not pro style system he was in and he had no protection from his line. If our line doesn't block for him, we may be in some big trouble, and I guess we won't know how accurate he truly is until next season, but the reports seem to indicate an NFL arm on this kid.

Ya, I have no idea how it's gonna play out next year for TL. It just seems like stuff is not adding up.

This season is not even over, but it's funny (not ha, ha funny) that different people are cautioning about potential losses and encouraging fans to look at positives for this year. To me, next year is gonna be the cautionary year.

 

[timnsun]

Next year's schedule doesn't seem too daunting as long as we get good QB play... Wisconsin, Ohio State and Iowa are all in Lincoln, which helps... We lose some good players, but still have a lot of good players left. We will see what next year brings I guess.

 

[inWV]

It certainly could be argued that on a number of plays TA could step up into the pocket as opposed to evading sackers. We've given up (I think) 4 sacks this year, which is a pretty dang good number. It looks like Tanner Lee (TL) has gotten more press to be the qb starter next year. TL transferred because Tulsa was going to the spread and he was going to be replaced? Okay, so what is he lacking that kept him from starting at the American Athletic Conference's Tulsa Green Wave?

FWIW, Tanner Lee transferred from Tulane.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/tulane-qb-tanner-lee-transferring-nebraska-013016

 

[donahues17]

First off, the overall cinference record is compIetely ignorant. It is an unfair process as some teams get tougher schedules than others (Iowa last year). It should be the division record determines your division champ and use the overall record as a distant tie breaker.
2-Im going for Wisky this weekend. People are saying (including me) that Nebraska hasnt played anyone this year (which is true in my opinion) so I want Wisky to he rated as high as possible. Having 2 losses (1 to Michigan and 1 to OSU) is by no means a bad thing. Still a top team. If Iowa beats them, then they just drop to a low teen ranking if not further. Our game with them will he much more highly touted with both teams in top 10.

 

[nebcountry]

FWIW, Tanner Lee transferred from Tulane.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/tulane-qb-tanner-lee-transferring-nebraska-013016

Thanks for the correction. Now let's win the division.