QB recruiting, makes no sense
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I have never understood those who think JUCO is always the route to take especially at QB. Very few, I mean very few, run an offense that is at all pro-style. JUCO players are at a school for 2 years, these coaches don't run complex offenses because there isn't enough time to develop. The turnover is too much.
If you believe another QB is needed, you would be better off trying to find a grad transfer than a JUCO. The 2018 QB class is picked over. The 2019 class still has availability but that does not provide you with your immediate fix.
I hate not taking a QB. I think you need to take a class QB every year.
They have Lee, POB, Gebia, and a juco transfer they took last year. With the smaller class it makes sense not to take a QB as long as one of the QB doesn't transfer.
Why has everyone forgotten Bunch? Remember when recruiting him Riley said they had decided they liked a guy who could run a little. Wasn't he 10-16 in the spring game? Will he ever get a shot?
at OP thinking Riley isn't recruiting a QB in the 2018 class.
He is a walk-on. With the number of schools in FBS that run some semblance of a spread and need a dual threat QB, and he decided to walk on at Nebraska with a coach that runs a pro-style offense where the QB is under center a lot, I immediately have to question his decision making skills.
How often is Lee under center? Seems to be in shotgun more.
All true except: If you are POB and/or his parents, you are probably shopping. The chances of playing at all this year are rapidly approaching zero, other than a small chance to get killed in a blowout vs OSU or Wisky. It's one thing if the guy ahead of you is doing well, but Lee has been historically awful.
If you are POB and/or his parents, you are shopping. The chances of playing at all this year are rapidly approaching zero, other than a small chance to get killed in a blowout vs OSU or Wisky. It's one thing if the guy ahead of you is doing well, but Lee has been historically awful. You, POB, and your parents are not happy these days.
Lee is bound to get knocked out one of these games
They just might take their kidney and goAll true except: If you are POB and/or his parents, you are shopping. The chances of playing at all this year are rapidly approaching zero, other than a small chance to get killed in a blowout vs OSU or Wisky. It's one thing if the guy ahead of you is doing well, but Lee has been historically awful. You, POB, and your parents are not happy these days.
All true except: If you are POB and/or his parents, you are shopping. The chances of playing at all this year are rapidly approaching zero, other than a small chance to get killed in a blowout vs OSU or Wisky. It's one thing if the guy ahead of you is doing well, but Lee has been historically awful. You, POB, and your parents are not happy these days.
Are you buying him? He will have to sit out his sophomore season, and only have 2 years to play. He has absolutely nothing on tape to show what he can do at the college level, except you know the coaches at Nebraska didn't think he was as good as the guy that is "historically awful" who is playing in front of him.
POB can always drop down to a lower level and play immediately, but I don't see him doing that. Could be wrong though.
Seems like Tanner McKee is/was the guy we're after.
As far as POB, he might be good if the system and schemes suit him.
As far as POB, he might be good if the system and schemes suit him.
I think it's unfair to throw in the towel on Lee. I really wish I could find this info somewhere, but I know I've seen somewhere that first year QBs in Riley's system have historically struggled, but in their second year (and beyond) they put up huge numbers. This happened again here at Nebraska. Lee is struggling, although it seems he has all the throws. I wouldn't for a second assume that he is a bust overall because of an interception problem through the first four games. Give him time to learn and grow under fire.
But in the world today, fans expect greatness immediately and consistently.
But in the world today, fans expect greatness immediately and consistently.
It may be true that Lee is performing consistent with other Riley QBs. But at this rate of production, he probably won't get a second year in Riley's system because Riley won't be here in 2018..
I agree that seems to be the most likely conclusion, but I don't believe it's a foregone conclusion.
Couple of thoughts. First, POB is a RFr. I understand the analysis that he must be God awful if he cannot pass TLee; however this is Year 4 in college for Lee and Year 2 for POB. A little early in my book to give up on POB. If my college career was evaluated 4 weeks into my sophomore year, I probably would never have been employed.
Secondarily, if I am POB and thinking I will transfer to greener pastures, I look at Johnny Stanton and see that transferring does not necessarily mean that the grass will be greener after sitting out at another school. The thoughts would certainly have been going through my head that if I was just given a chance that I would not have lost the NIU game. I would also believe that my development will come in gametime and not practice. However if the coaches are working with him, he knows he is a play away from getting his chance at any moment.
As for recruiting a QB, just because we have not signed a QB as of September 27th does not mean to me that we will not have a QB in this class.
Secondarily, if I am POB and thinking I will transfer to greener pastures, I look at Johnny Stanton and see that transferring does not necessarily mean that the grass will be greener after sitting out at another school. The thoughts would certainly have been going through my head that if I was just given a chance that I would not have lost the NIU game. I would also believe that my development will come in gametime and not practice. However if the coaches are working with him, he knows he is a play away from getting his chance at any moment.
As for recruiting a QB, just because we have not signed a QB as of September 27th does not mean to me that we will not have a QB in this class.
Let's think about the future for a minute Chicolby. What do you think the outcome will be when we have a new QB running Riley's offense, maybe one that doesn't have two years of starting experience already. That could be next year or two years from now. It doesn't look promising to me.
I don't expect greatness, but I do expect consistency. And that's not consistently below average.
Edit: This isn't a comment on TLee, it's directed at the system being run.
I think we have 3 good college QB's on our roster. Lee is struggling, but there is no reason he can't improve his decision making over time.
I also think we are recruiting a QB for this class.
As bizarro as it may sound, given Lee's struggles, our biggest problem isn't quarterback. It is the offensive line. Turn that line's performance around and this is a good team.
Riley's downfall, therefore, if it happens, will be retaining Cav.
I also think we are recruiting a QB for this class.
As bizarro as it may sound, given Lee's struggles, our biggest problem isn't quarterback. It is the offensive line. Turn that line's performance around and this is a good team.
Riley's downfall, therefore, if it happens, will be retaining Cav.
To a large degree we're beyond that now. If Riley wins 4 or 5 games this year, he can fire Cav, but he will likely be fired anyway. I'm not even certain he hangs onto his job with 6 or 7 wins. 7 makes it kinda iffy.
As far as recruiting a QB goes, we have that walk on pro style kid. We told Duggan we weren't recruiting one this year, but apparently are anyway, although it appears mostly we're only recruiting 5* type of guys in case they change their mind (Corral, Gunnell).
So we can kinda "be true" to Duggan with that strategy. I haven't looked at recruiting that much recently, but maybe we're still after McKee hard.
So we can kinda "be true" to Duggan with that strategy. I haven't looked at recruiting that much recently, but maybe we're still after McKee hard.
Why does Gebbia automatically have promise? If they recruited Lee and POB and they suck, then obviously Gebbia must suck too, right?
I guess I look at it like Lee hasn't really shown to be at the level they thought he was, but POB is still young and could ultimately be pretty talented. I wish they would give the guy an opportunity during games. He couldn't be any worse than what we've seen from Lee. I can't imagine him being any more reckless with the ball than Lee.
The basic difference is the fans just have a responsibility to gripe, and coaches have the responsibility of fixing things.
There's no way that Langsdorf and Cav look at what the offense is doing and put that 100% on Lee.
They've probably even had some tough conversations about "yes Lee does make some bad choices, but we'd have a reasonable stat line if the OL was better".
Calling for POB when the major difference in mobility might mean he takes 2 steps before going down instead of having a helmet buried in his chest, probably won't fix things.
Like I said in another thread, there's no issue from me in playing POB just to see if he's some kind of wunder-kid gamer who doesn't need an OL, but the house money says he's probably not.
I think it all depends on how the team looks. Reach 7 wins, but have several ugly losses and he is gone. But 7 wins with very competitive losses he might stay
McKewon's article today was pretty good. About how even TO told Cally that getting to 7 was iffy for him. He really needed that 8.
I think we've seen enough footage of Lee to know that he has a poor sense of how large a window needs to be to complete a pass. On many occasions he hasn't had pressure when he has thrown the ball and still makes poor choices. He just doesn't get it, and I don't think he ever will. He's been playing college football for essentialy 3 1/2 years, so he is close to 2/3 of the way through his college career.
I think Riley is playing Lee because he isn't afforded the time to work with POB in games, because his job is on the line. This, despite the fact that POB would appear to have the opportunity to have the better upside.
[QUOTE="chicolby, post: 3739135, I know I've seen somewhere that first year QBs in Riley's system have historically struggled, but in their second year (and beyond) they put up huge numbers. This happened again here at Nebraska.[/QUOTE]
Really not crazy about having an offense that sucks every time we have a first year QB
Really not crazy about having an offense that sucks every time we have a first year QB
Clouse stated that 'on a scale of match to Forrest fire, it's a bonfire.' In regards to Carrol removing all the Florida stuff off twitter.
Really not crazy about having an offense that sucks every time we have a first year QB[/QUOTE]
I expect that we will see gradual improvement throughout the year with Lee. It's not like a switch is suddenly turned on in year 2 and the kid is better. I would expect him to decrease his ints and increase his comp % as the year goes on just by getting more comfortable with the speed of the opposing DBs etc. The key is if our O line can improve as the year goes on.
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