QB for rest of the season

[SnohomishRed]

Why would Riley not make a change here?? - we need a spark and a mobile QB who can make something happen when the blocking breaks down may be just what the Dr. ordered.

Keeping Lee in there unless we see dramatic improvement this week serves no purpose unless it is the staff just giving up

 

[timnsun]

Why would Riley not make a change here?? - we need a spark and a mobile QB who can make something happen when the blocking breaks down may be just what the Dr. ordered.

Keeping Lee in there unless we see dramatic improvement this week serves no purpose unless it is the staff just giving up

This might be a touch overboard... if they keep Lee in it doesn’t mean they are giving up. It means they are trying to help him turn a corner.

 

[cubsker]

giving up on lee is basically saying they have no idea what they're doing. not going to happen.

 

[SnohomishRed]

This might be a touch overboard... if they keep Lee in it doesn’t mean they are giving up. It means they are trying to help him turn a corner.

if he continues to struggle it can be looked at that way

 

[timnsun]

if he continues to struggle it can be looked at that way

I read the ‘if’, and I still say I don’t agree. Why would the coaches give up at this point? Much has been talked about in other QB threads about how POB may not have what it takes at this stage, and Gebbia is still a freshman.

If you want to say they would be stubborn to stick with Lee if he continues to struggle, you would be right. But in no way do I see t as the coaches giving up.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I read the ‘if’, and I still say I don’t agree. Why would the coaches give up at this point? Much has been talked about in other QB threads about how POB may not have what it takes at this stage, and Gebbia is still a freshman.

If you want to say they would be stubborn to stick with Lee if he continues to struggle, you would be right. But in no way do I see t as the coaches giving up.

We will see what happens this weekend but this is not a case where we some growing pains. Currently Nebraska sits among the worst in the nation in passing offense, completion percent and I believe dead last in Int's. It may not be all his fault but its getting to the point of " What do you have to lose" by making a change. If you do not have any thing to lose and a potential to improve and do not take the chance that is in fact giving up

 

[timnsun]

We will see what happens this weekend but this is not a case where we some growing pains. Currently Nebraska sits among the worst in the nation in passing offense, completion percent and I believe dead last in Int's. It may not be all his fault but its getting to the point of " What do you have to lose" by making a change. If you do not have any thing to lose and a potential to improve and do not take the chance that is in fact giving up

Too simplistic. Are you in practice? Do you see the alternative? If we were sold a bill of goods on Tanner Lee, why couldn’t the same be said of POB? Lee may be our best shot.

All I’m saying is I don’t believe the coaches will be mailing it in as you suggest if they continue to stick with Lee.

 

[SoFL Husker]

Why would Riley not make a change here?? - we need a spark and a mobile QB who can make something happen when the blocking breaks down may be just what the Dr. ordered.

Keeping Lee in there unless we see dramatic improvement this week serves no purpose unless it is the staff just giving up

Honestly, give Lee time to get familiar with the system. Morgan, DPE and the younger slots will give him targets. He's thrown so many bad passes, he is bound to improve. He's like a hot chick learning how to ))**

As bad as it has been, switching now would make Riley look like he has given up.

POB and Gebbia don't have the arm talent to overcome Lee's shortcomings. It is what it is.

 

[StrongArm517]

We will see what happens this weekend but this is not a case where we some growing pains. Currently Nebraska sits among the worst in the nation in passing offense, completion percent and I believe dead last in Int's. It may not be all his fault but its getting to the point of " What do you have to lose" by making a change. If you do not have any thing to lose and a potential to improve and do not take the chance that is in fact giving up

This is why I'm loosing confidence in the offensive staff. A pro style O being nearly last in passing stats! It can't get any worse than that. If he struggles again, try something. Players come off the bench all the time and ignite a team.

 

[otismotis08]

The coaches will continue to make decisions that give us the best chance to win, and win now. Given the recent events, they have to.
I've said before, I think this team's struggles go way beyond the QB position. Not sure it can be fixed by this staff.

 

[erinp]

Honestly, give Lee time to get familiar with the system. Morgan, DPE and the younger slots will give him targets. He's thrown so many bad passes, he is bound to improve. He's like a hot chick learning how to ))**

As bad as it has been, switching now would make Riley look like he has given up.

POB and Gebbia don't have the arm talent to overcome Lee's shortcomings. It is what it is.

POB and Gebbia don't have the arm talent? They were both Top 10 QBs in the country.
there are precious few programs with 2 Top 10 QB recruits on their roster.
this should be a strength of the program. I realize they are young but there have been MANY freshman QBs playing the last couple years and even MORE soph QBs.
NEB has more "talent" at QB than 90% of programs in america.

 

[SnohomishRed]

The coaches will continue to make decisions that give us the best chance to win, and win now. Given the recent events, they have to.
I've said before, I think this team's struggles go way beyond the QB position. Not sure it can be fixed by this staff.

I am sure you are right that this is not all on Lee but the level of play is what it is. Gebbia seems to possess a different skill set how about giving him a shot and seeing if it helps

 

[WHCSC]

I am sure you are right that this is not all on Lee but the level of play is what it is. Gebbia seems to possess a different skill set how about giving him a shot and seeing if it helps

I'm pretty sure it was Gebbia's wish to be redshirted

 

[SnohomishRed]

I'm pretty sure it was Gebbia's wish to be redshirted

If he was given the starting job to see how he does?

 

[RealHusker]

It would have been nice if O'Brien would have naturally been able to get some snaps in blowouts against Ark. St, NIU, and Rutgers. Our backup QBs have not been getting a lot of snaps in recent years.

That said, I suspect POB will get some experience against Ohio State, perhaps even Wisconsin.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

I don't look at POB getting playing time as "giving up", I look at not getting POB PT as bad coaching. First of all, if TL gets hurt it would be nice to not have someone totally green coming in. Second of all, maybe if Lee knew his job wasn't safe he would throw the ball out of bounds when prudent instead of double coverage. And third, maybe POB is a gamer who could give the offensive a spark. I watched his high school games on Santa Margarita's website, sure looked like a gamer to me.

 

[otismotis08]

What do we have to lose?

 

[sparky62]

I look at it this way. TLee had numerous times to just take off and get a 1st down. For some reason he gets in a zone where he just stares down a receiver. On the 97 yd drive he handled it well and got into the same zone he was in on the very first drive. He was checking down to the 2nd & 3rd receiver. Numerous times the RB was wide open for a little dump pass in the 2nd & 3rd qtr. Lee just didn't look that way. Also, take a look at the middle. The slant looks open. When he starts to focus only on the sidelines is when he runs into trouble. The TE is open a lot over the middle, even if it's just a 5 yard gain.

 

[spinner4]

It's awful if the coaches think a change @ QB means
- "sign of giving up" ... To me that's actually the opposite. A change to me, makes me think they're still fighting.
- "sign that they don't know what they are doing" ... This is a team sport. They need to put their egos aside. Lots of coaches name other guys at other positions starters, and during the course of the year, lose the job and are replaced. Starting spots should be battled for every day. Nothing should be guaranteed. QB should not be any different. The face of the team is not the QB. The face of the team is the team.

And Lee not being replaced by POB does not mean POB's can not play. POB has had very little experience playing QB in organized football. He was a baseball player that turned to football later in his life. He's still very much learning how to be a QB. He's also still a RSFR that has time to grow.

The problem, again, was roster management and recruiting by this staff.

Didn't recruit a QB in 2015. I get the argument that they didn't have a full year to recruit one in 2015. That's fine. But then only signed 1 QB in 2016. A kid that needed a lot of work to become a real QB because he just didn't have the experience. POB was never going to be a starter his first few years. He just didn't come in with that kind of football knowledge and so the staff should have signed 2 QB's in 2016 or not run off AJ Bush, who is already 2nd string @ VA Tech.

The only real options are

1. Pull Gebbia RS. However, big picture wise, is really not an option. Kid needs to red shirt and get bigger. That's the best thing for our program in years to come and the best thing for the kid as well.

2. Continue to eat sh*t and run the same offense with Lee they are currently doing. Then next year Danny and Cav will be unemployed. And maybe Mike too

3. Dummy down the dam pro-style offense, lean on the run more, and try to throw quicker outs to avoid pressure.

IMO #3 is the only real option for this year.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I look at it this way. TLee had numerous times to just take off and get a 1st down. For some reason he gets in a zone where he just stares down a receiver. On the 97 yd drive he handled it well and got into the same zone he was in on the very first drive. He was checking down to the 2nd & 3rd receiver. Numerous times the RB was wide open for a little dump pass in the 2nd & 3rd qtr. Lee just didn't look that way. Also, take a look at the middle. The slant looks open. When he starts to focus only on the sidelines is when he runs into trouble. The TE is open a lot over the middle, even if it's just a 5 yard gain.

his confidence has to be shot at this point and Langsdorf does very little to protect him. Of our 4 games the first play has been

1. Pass incomplete
2. Pass resulting in an Int
3. Pass - completed but first drive results in an Int returned for a TD
4. Run - drive result in a TD third series Int

Langsdorf has to protect this guy - we need to be run first, run 2nd and run 3rd early in these games, once Lee is settled in then put some passing in there

 

[Mr.Scary13]

if he continues to struggle it can be looked at that way

They stuck with arm punt for two years....

 

[Toms Wife]

Keeping AJ would have given us a nice mix if need be. He is 2nd string at a good school and has performed well especially with his legs so far this year.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Keeping AJ would have given us a nice mix if need be. He is 2nd string at a good school and has performed well especially with his legs so far this year.

There you go - now you are just "Runtheballguy"

 

[19Football19]

POB and Gebbia don't have the arm talent? They were both Top 10 QBs in the country.
there are precious few programs with 2 Top 10 QB recruits on their roster.
this should be a strength of the program. I realize they are young but there have been MANY freshman QBs playing the last couple years and even MORE soph QBs.
NEB has more "talent" at QB than 90% of programs in america.

Do you really believe this? If POB is so great don't you think he would have seen the field by now??? I'm sure he's fine, but I'd be shocked if he starts more than 5 games at Neb. Think about how bad Lee has been and POB has zero snaps. Should be telling. I get we don't have very good WRs or OL, but come on.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Do you really believe this? If POB is so great don't you think he would have seen the field by now??? I'm sure he's fine, but I'd be shocked if he starts more than 5 games at Neb. Think about how bad Lee has been and POB has zero snaps. Should be telling. I get we don't have very good WRs or OL, but come on.

I know this is now the "Company line" that our lack of talent is the reason we suck but we have :

WR's - Morgan, Spielman, Pierson-El, Lindsey - That is really not bad talent
Oline - Gates 4 star, Foster 3.7 3 star, Conrad - walkon, Farmer 4 star, Knevel 5.7 3 star, Backup to Knevel Farniok - 5.7 3 star

By comparison Wisconsin starts 4 three star players and a Tackle recruited as a QB plus they have less experience than our players

Enough of this blaming the talent thing - its coaching pure and simple that is the difference

 

[davecasper]

Honestly, give Lee time to get familiar with the system. Morgan, DPE and the younger slots will give him targets. He's thrown so many bad passes, he is bound to improve. He's like a hot chick learning how to ))**

As bad as it has been, switching now would make Riley look like he has given up.

POB and Gebbia don't have the arm talent to overcome Lee's shortcomings. It is what it is.

Arm talent. Opposing secondaries agree we should keep Lee at the helm.

 

[barney44]

I know this is now the "Company line" that our lack of talent is the reason we suck but we have :

WR's - Morgan, Spielman, Pierson-El, Lindsey - That is really not bad talent
Oline - Gates 4 star, Foster 3.7 3 star, Conrad - walkon, Farmer 4 star, Knevel 5.7 3 star, Backup to Knevel Farniok - 5.7 3 star

By comparison Wisconsin starts 4 three star players and a Tackle recruited as a QB plus they have less experience than our players

Enough of this blaming the talent thing - its coaching pure and simple that is the difference

Nebraska is a very mistake riddled football team in more than one area. I'd love to see a well played game where they came out to kick some ass against a worthy opponent just to see where we stand.

If you play like crap than you look like crap, I don't care how much talent a team has.

 

[BigRedLegion]

Nebraska is a very mistake riddled football team in more than one area. I'd love to see a well played game where they came out to kick some ass against a worthy opponent just to see where we stand.

If you play like crap than you look like crap, I don't care how much talent a team has.

I agree on being mistake riddled. So basically wisky is overachieving on the o line and NU is underachieving based on talent coming out of HS. So why is that the case? Learning the scheme, motivation and depth all fall on Cav. Injuries are not helping but that goes back to depth. Bottom line Wisky=more with less. NU=less with more. That is not good. I really hope they turn it around. I just want to see good football again. Wins and losses will take care of themselves after that.

 

[StrongArm517]

I agree on being mistake riddled. So basically wisky is overachieving on the o line and NU is underachieving based on talent coming out of HS. So why is that the case? Learning the scheme, motivation and depth all fall on Cav. Injuries are not helping but that goes back to depth. Bottom line Wisky=more with less. NU=less with more. That is not good. I really hope they turn it around. I just want to see good football again. Wins and losses will take care of themselves after that.

coaching coaching coaching, whatever we're asking them to do, either the coaches are bad at teaching it or the players are bad at learning it. No matter what it is, it falls on the coaches.

 

[huskerbr12]

I really don't like the coaches participation philosophy when it comes to OLine and QB. You have to figure out a way to get guys on the field for a few snaps early in the season. We're staring at a situation where Lee goes down with an injury and POB's first snap is in a key moment against Wisconsin or Ohio State.

 

[redfanusa]

Riley may as well burn every redshirt who can help him win games. Too many losses, and he won't be around long enough for the redshirt to matter, anyway.

 

[BigBL87]

The most frustrating thing for me, aside from the INTs obviously, is he seems to have no pocket presence. He doesn't seem to have a feel for when the pocket is collapsing, when you step up in the pocket, etc.. Our OL is not good, but I think his lack of pocket presence has made them look even worse at times.

What Gebbia or O'Brien MIGHT give us (emphasis on might) is someone who could work outside the pocket, as both allegedly have better mobility. Armstrong, as maligned as he was at times, made our offence functional because of his ability to make plays outside the pocket when our line struggled to create one. I actually don't think our line has really regressed that much, I think they were pretty bad before but Armstrong's scrambling ability made it less noticable.

 

[Red I 73]

I look at it this way. TLee had numerous times to just take off and get a 1st down. For some reason he gets in a zone where he just stares down a receiver. On the 97 yd drive he handled it well and got into the same zone he was in on the very first drive. He was checking down to the 2nd & 3rd receiver. Numerous times the RB was wide open for a little dump pass in the 2nd & 3rd qtr. Lee just didn't look that way. Also, take a look at the middle. The slant looks open. When he starts to focus only on the sidelines is when he runs into trouble. The TE is open a lot over the middle, even if it's just a 5 yard gain.

From what I have watched of TL, I don't believe that he wants to stray from the pocket or maybe has no ability to. It would sure seem he could help himself and the team if he could roll out and complete a pass on the move. I believe it was Foster that said the OL knows where Lee is going to be which makes it easier to block. Well, it looks like the opposing d knows where he will be also

 

[Charlie Marlow]

If only they would have burned POB's redshirt last year....

 

[huskerssalts]

Even NFL QBs get into ruts, have a game or games where there just off and ints go up. Lee does have the arm, I honestly feel he will find that grove again and start playing and looking better and bet the coaches know and believe this. As to why they keep Lee in. I feel Riley deserves 2 more years at minimum but there in a horrible spot were they have to win, win, win. And they keeping going with Lee, so that does say something. I don’t by that OBrein or Gebbia are bad. I think the coaches know Lees good, just a matter of playing through this funk. It will happen eventually.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Even NFL QBs get into ruts, have a game or games where there just off and ints go up. Lee does have the arm, I honestly feel he will find that grove again and start playing and looking better and bet the coaches know and believe this. As to why they keep Lee in. I feel Riley deserves 2 more years at minimum but there in a horrible spot were they have to win, win, win. And they keeping going with Lee, so that does say something. I don’t by that OBrein or Gebbia are bad. I think the coaches know Lees good, just a matter of playing through this funk. It will happen eventually.

Lets hope Lee doesn't get out of his funk while Coach Riley and Langs are cashing unemployment checks. Starting tonight would be nice.

 

[onechase]

Mike Riley has no idea what he is doing and he will probably not be at this program at the end of the year.

 

[timnsun]

Mike Riley has no idea what he is doing and he will probably not be at this program at the end of the year.

Everybody knows how you feel. You’ve been clear for awhile now.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Lee looks sharp so far.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

Mike Riley has no idea what he is doing and he will probably not be at this program at the end of the year.

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