Poll: Who should and who will be the B1G rep in the Playoff?
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I think Ohio st is better and has more of a shot.
I wish conference champ would go though. It won't happen like that, but I think it should.
I wish conference champ would go though. It won't happen like that, but I think it should.
No. It's the 4 best teams, not the conference champs.
Penn State. 2-1 against the "big 3", same record as Ohio State against the big 3. PSU has head to head, and conference title.
Here we are, once again, and the final four just isn't enough.
Imagine Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma & USC to make 8.
1 Bama v 8 Michigan
2 Washington v 7 Ohio State
3 Clemson v 6 USC
4 Penn State v 5 Oklahoma
6, 7, 8 shuffled to assure no repeat game in first round.
Here we are, once again, and the final four just isn't enough.
Imagine Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma & USC to make 8.
1 Bama v 8 Michigan
2 Washington v 7 Ohio State
3 Clemson v 6 USC
4 Penn State v 5 Oklahoma
6, 7, 8 shuffled to assure no repeat game in first round.
I'd love to see a Penn St or Michigan in the field but Washington deserves to get in. It all comes down to # of loses in the end. We could go round and round with everything else. Other than that loss to a hot USC team, UW has had a dominant year.
New It's not entirely shocking this happened. I never supported a playoff to begin with. I always felt it was potentially a way to diminish the achievements of a conference champion. However, I never thought my thinking would come to fruition as it has this year. Some may argue we need even more teams in the playoff; but, if that is so, where do you stop?
Oh I know.
To each their own though.
I just don't think you should be in if you don't play a conference championship game.
Every conference should have one or no conference should have one. Getting into the Top Four without playing a championship game just shouldn't ever happen if you ask me.
And this post did.
To each their own though.
I just don't think you should be in if you don't play a conference championship game.
Every conference should have one or no conference should have one. Getting into the Top Four without playing a championship game just shouldn't ever happen if you ask me.
And this post did.
I am against expanding to 8 teams. Every game is important, which would be reduced if expanded to 8. I did not want the playoff at all and now I love it at 4 teams.
Ohio St.
Penn St. has 2 losses....And one was to Pitt....we cant look games...the entire schedule has to be taken into consideration.
And played an easier conference schedule than Ohio St.......They didn't have to play Wisconsin in Madison or us, who has owned Penn St.
Penn St. has 2 losses....And one was to Pitt....we cant look games...the entire schedule has to be taken into consideration.
And played an easier conference schedule than Ohio St.......They didn't have to play Wisconsin in Madison or us, who has owned Penn St.
Penn State is the B1G champ, and beat Ohio State. If they vote Ohio State in, it means the championship games don't matter. I can't see them making that kind of precedent.
You stop at 8. It's not really that hard.
Each major conference champion makes it and there are 3 wild card spots regardless of conference affiliation. Yes, the 9th team may feel left out but it is less likely that someone will feel that number 9 could run the table so a team left out will have only themselves to blame.
First round happens on home fields.
It also means you can go 0-3 And win your conference and get in.
So the rest of the schedule doesn't matter?
OSU has a win over a conference championship PSU doesn't and OSU only has one loss. And against a tougher schedule.
Plus they should be on probation still..They don't deserve an opportunity ity.
the NCAA could delay, by just adding a couple play-in games for now (6 teams total), and keep the conversation going. at some point, they could go to 8 or just hold out for interest - just wish they could get it all done by new years, I find a week later anti-climatic...
Four teams works fine. You can have eight and still have people whining. No reason to water down the playoffs. You want to be champion prove you are one of the top four.
All valid points as well. In some ways, I blame the way the B1G determines it's division champs, but because of that, I'd still have to go with the B1G champion. Otherwise, none of the conference championships mean anything. The early games don't mean as much either. It's the same as losing early in the season doesn't hurt you as much as losing late in the season. I can't see them just giving a pass to a team that sits this weekend out. No one is going to be happy until they expand it, and I'd include Western Michigan in that as well.
The problem with the head to head argument is that is falls short of proving who is the better team. It only proves who was better that day.
If you want to use the Penn St head to head over Ohio St, how do you ignore the head to head result of Michigan over Penn St? That was a 39 point margin, not a blocked kick at home.
In the end, the loss to Pitt is what will keep Penn St out. If they had won that, they are a one loss team, just like Ohio St, with head to head over Ohio St.
If you want to use the Penn St head to head over Ohio St, how do you ignore the head to head result of Michigan over Penn St? That was a 39 point margin, not a blocked kick at home.
In the end, the loss to Pitt is what will keep Penn St out. If they had won that, they are a one loss team, just like Ohio St, with head to head over Ohio St.
i despise talk of an 8 team playoffs that include an automatic bid for all power 5 leagues. If your league sucks one year (see Big 12 this year) why should you be rewarded with a spotbin the playoffs. The best team in the Big 12 was beaten soundly by a team that finished 3rd in their division in the American and a team that didn't play in their leagues CCG. The second best team (Oklahoma St) was beaten by Central Michigan.
These things are cyclical, B1G was a dumpster fire a couple years ago and in similar situation as Big 12 this year. SEC was dominate a few years ago and now not so much.
If people are so hell bent on getting to 8, just pick the 8 best teams regardless of conference.
when voters are making out their top 25, they don't take each P5 league, determine who the best team in the league is, then take those 5 and rank them 1 to 5, then start ranking everyone else. Why should the championship participants be determined that way?
These things are cyclical, B1G was a dumpster fire a couple years ago and in similar situation as Big 12 this year. SEC was dominate a few years ago and now not so much.
If people are so hell bent on getting to 8, just pick the 8 best teams regardless of conference.
when voters are making out their top 25, they don't take each P5 league, determine who the best team in the league is, then take those 5 and rank them 1 to 5, then start ranking everyone else. Why should the championship participants be determined that way?
So some of you people think the year that Wisky beat us in the ccg that they should have been in the playoffs if they had one even though they had 5 losses? All in all, they were still conference champs.
Or what if Florida would have beat Bama in the ccg, should they have been in the playoff over Bama with 3 losses? What I love about college football has always been that EVERY GAME matters, not just who is playing better at the end of the season. No other sport is that way. It makes college football that much better.
Or what if Florida would have beat Bama in the ccg, should they have been in the playoff over Bama with 3 losses? What I love about college football has always been that EVERY GAME matters, not just who is playing better at the end of the season. No other sport is that way. It makes college football that much better.
But the playoff committee isn't deciding who plays based on one game.
read the entire comment please and keep my comments in context. Don't use a portion of what I wrote as a way to try and discredit the overall point made.
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What if PSU had gotten swept in their non-conference games? Yes, the conference championship ultimately doesn't matter, and will not until they expand the playoffs to 8 teams (5 autobids to conference champions and 3 at-large bids to protect the superior teams, such as Ohio State and Michigan, who arguably deserve in the playoff more than the conference champion).
OSU beat OU handily on the road. PSU lost to Pitt.
OSU has 1 loss by 3 to the Big Ten champs, PSU has 2, including getting shelled by Michigan, who OSU beat. It comes down to the full body of work...I would take OSU.
OSU will get in and PSU will be left out
I think most agree with this, however, what I am fairly certain of is if we were in PSU's situation and a team who had the same conference record as us, who we beat head to head and didn't even win their division was selected ahead of us this place would be in full melt down
This board would be a complete mirror of what the PSU board is going to look like when OSU is taken and PSU is left out
I think most agree with this, however, what I am fairly certain of is if we were in PSU's situation and a team who had the same conference record as us, who we beat head to head and didn't even win their division was selected ahead of us this place would be in full melt down
This board would be a complete mirror of what the PSU board is going to look like when OSU is taken and PSU is left out
Pitt beat #2 Clemson on the road. I wouldn't discount the loss to Pitt. If you do then Clemson should be looked at as well. Penn State 39 pt loss to Michigan is ugly though.
Here is an old article talking about the Big East having an automatic bid into one of the BCS bowl games. (Wow, how easy I forget what system used to be in place and the changes that were made)
"If the BCS Eliminated the Big East Automatic Bid, Would you like the System Better?
I’m sitting here still wondering how in the world the Big East winner gets an automatic BCS bid. I think the BCS would be a lot more well received if they totally eliminated the conference winner’s automatic bid. This year is a great example.
You have an 8-4 Connecticut team that wins on a last-second field goal against South Florida, and they win the conference – thus, getting a bid to play in the Fiesta Bowl. West Virginia or Pittsburgh are usually the favorites coming into every year, but they always find themselves in a gauntlet of a schedule week in and week out – you know, the gauntlet of teams like Rutgers and Syracuse.
Non-Big East BCS snubs include 11-1 Michigan State, 10-2 LSU and 11-1 Boise State (yeah, I said it). All of these teams, hell all of the top 25, deserve to be in over UConn.
Back to Connecticut – they lost to Michigan 30-10, who had the worst defense in the country. They got smoked by Temple, who finished 8-4 and did not make it to any bowl game. They also lost to Rutgers and Louisville in conference. I mean, come on. How do you let a team like this get to a BCS bowl game? Sure, Randy Edsall, UConn’s head coach, is legit, and running back Jordan Todman is decent as well. However, I fully expect Oklahoma to mop the floor with the Huskies.
Next, let’s look at West Virginia. West Virginia just recently hired a coach in waiting for Bill Stewart in Dana Holgorsen. Holgorsen was a hot commodity in the coaching realm, coming from Oklahoma State, and he looks like Jimmy Buffet. Reportedly, he turned down the head coaching gig at Pitt to take the WVU job. Either way, he still went to the same conference. WVU should win this conference every year, no excuses.
Pittsburgh was awful this year as well. Dave Wanstash is Captain Overrated and Underachiever. He sure does have a nice stash though. I’d hire him to my staff just for that purpose. It will be interesting to see who Pitt hires, won’t it? Nope.
The Big East recently tried to revive its own conference and justify the automatic bid by offering TCU to join the Big East. Attention: your conference will still be a joke.
For the love of football – someone take control of the worst conference in college football.
Mr. BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock – if you’re not going to do any type of plus-one system, go ahead and do what we all want done. Eliminate the automatic BCS bowl bid for the Big East winner and create another at-large bid for a more deserving team. We will like your system more."
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You never know what will happen in a given year, but the BCS realized that automatic bids made sense most years, but not every year, so they decided to adjust their system.
Same goes for the playoffs IMO.
If they added automatic bids, it would only be a matter of time before they decided to remove automatic bids once they have an unranked team get in that didn't deserve to be there.
"If the BCS Eliminated the Big East Automatic Bid, Would you like the System Better?
I’m sitting here still wondering how in the world the Big East winner gets an automatic BCS bid. I think the BCS would be a lot more well received if they totally eliminated the conference winner’s automatic bid. This year is a great example.
You have an 8-4 Connecticut team that wins on a last-second field goal against South Florida, and they win the conference – thus, getting a bid to play in the Fiesta Bowl. West Virginia or Pittsburgh are usually the favorites coming into every year, but they always find themselves in a gauntlet of a schedule week in and week out – you know, the gauntlet of teams like Rutgers and Syracuse.
Non-Big East BCS snubs include 11-1 Michigan State, 10-2 LSU and 11-1 Boise State (yeah, I said it). All of these teams, hell all of the top 25, deserve to be in over UConn.
Back to Connecticut – they lost to Michigan 30-10, who had the worst defense in the country. They got smoked by Temple, who finished 8-4 and did not make it to any bowl game. They also lost to Rutgers and Louisville in conference. I mean, come on. How do you let a team like this get to a BCS bowl game? Sure, Randy Edsall, UConn’s head coach, is legit, and running back Jordan Todman is decent as well. However, I fully expect Oklahoma to mop the floor with the Huskies.
Next, let’s look at West Virginia. West Virginia just recently hired a coach in waiting for Bill Stewart in Dana Holgorsen. Holgorsen was a hot commodity in the coaching realm, coming from Oklahoma State, and he looks like Jimmy Buffet. Reportedly, he turned down the head coaching gig at Pitt to take the WVU job. Either way, he still went to the same conference. WVU should win this conference every year, no excuses.
Pittsburgh was awful this year as well. Dave Wanstash is Captain Overrated and Underachiever. He sure does have a nice stash though. I’d hire him to my staff just for that purpose. It will be interesting to see who Pitt hires, won’t it? Nope.
The Big East recently tried to revive its own conference and justify the automatic bid by offering TCU to join the Big East. Attention: your conference will still be a joke.
For the love of football – someone take control of the worst conference in college football.
Mr. BCS Executive Director Bill Hancock – if you’re not going to do any type of plus-one system, go ahead and do what we all want done. Eliminate the automatic BCS bowl bid for the Big East winner and create another at-large bid for a more deserving team. We will like your system more."
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You never know what will happen in a given year, but the BCS realized that automatic bids made sense most years, but not every year, so they decided to adjust their system.
Same goes for the playoffs IMO.
If they added automatic bids, it would only be a matter of time before they decided to remove automatic bids once they have an unranked team get in that didn't deserve to be there.
Are there any updated computer rankings after last night? I can't find any but my guess is the Lions moved to #4 in some. Pitt beating Clemson is big and the computers like the Wolverines.
As Rudy T said "never underestimate the heart of a champion". My two cents: Tide, Tigers, Lions, Huskies.
As Rudy T said "never underestimate the heart of a champion". My two cents: Tide, Tigers, Lions, Huskies.
The system is better than it was, but it still has holes. OSU getting in over PSU is one of those holes...at some point you have to recognize the actual results on the field. If the selection committee had said up front that conference championships are not part of the criteria, that would give them an out to do whatever they want (maybe they have said that...I don't know).
Anyway, I'm of the belief that what happens on the field should be 99% of the criteria. Non-falsifiable, hypothetical arguments about who might be better than whom opens the ambiguity door far too wide.
That said, 8 teams is almost a necessity for a college football playoff. The system has painted itself into a bit of a corner by designating 5 conferences as "Power Conferences", but only creating a playoff with 4 teams. They further diminish the importance of conferences by disregarding the conference champions if the results are "inconvenient".
In every other NCAA post-season playoff, conference champions get automatic bids and the rest of the field is filled out by committee. Why not this one? Going to 8 teams allows automatic bids to every Power 5 champion, and account for situations where you have a non-conference champion with an otherwise great season (OSU), and teams from non-Power 5 conferences that have great seasons (Western Michigan).
The goal would not be to "eliminate the whining" from the 9th team....the goal would be to create a fair, equitable system whose qualifications are stated in as clear of terms as possible.
Anyway, I'm of the belief that what happens on the field should be 99% of the criteria. Non-falsifiable, hypothetical arguments about who might be better than whom opens the ambiguity door far too wide.
That said, 8 teams is almost a necessity for a college football playoff. The system has painted itself into a bit of a corner by designating 5 conferences as "Power Conferences", but only creating a playoff with 4 teams. They further diminish the importance of conferences by disregarding the conference champions if the results are "inconvenient".
In every other NCAA post-season playoff, conference champions get automatic bids and the rest of the field is filled out by committee. Why not this one? Going to 8 teams allows automatic bids to every Power 5 champion, and account for situations where you have a non-conference champion with an otherwise great season (OSU), and teams from non-Power 5 conferences that have great seasons (Western Michigan).
The goal would not be to "eliminate the whining" from the 9th team....the goal would be to create a fair, equitable system whose qualifications are stated in as clear of terms as possible.
Eight teams is too much. The committee just needs to man up like they did when Ohio St was on the bubble. The B1G champion is a no brainer. The discussion should be the Buckeyes versus Huskies and Tigers if anything. The B1G has four of the top 7 teams not to mention Huskers, Gofers, Hawkeyes - and the Lions are the champions.
Well I do believe Penn State proved they were better than Ohio State on the field. This is football, not an Olympic event like diving.
You talking Pitt....the same team that beat Clemson at Clemson this year?
I assume he's talking about the same 8 win Pitt team in 4th place of a weak ACC Coastal division.
You're in denial, this is about name and money. There is a reason they had Ohio State the clear cut #2 in the last rankings before the championship games. This was to cover their ass if Penn State won so there would be no debate between the two. If you've noticed the only talk last night centered on PSU vs Washington/Clemson.
the whole system is a giant scam. anyone arguing otherwise is just being silly. the system has zero, zip, none, zilch interest in objectively figuring out who the best team.
They also play home games for the higher seeds... Power 5 plays more physical and has tougher games week in and week out compared to the lower divisions...
We're not comparing apples to oranges here.
An 8 team playoff is too much mainly because as difficult as it is to choose between the 3rd and sixth ranked teams, it will be that much more difficult to pick the 7- 10th ranked teams.
I say 6 team playoff, 5 P5 Champions and one at large. Top two ranked teams get a bye.
I say 6 team playoff, 5 P5 Champions and one at large. Top two ranked teams get a bye.
And if Ohio St schedule Toledo instead of Oklahoma they are out. It works both ways.
Oklahoma sucked....got demolished by Houston and lost to a pathetic Texas squad, but have great name recognition.
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