And a "rivalry" is born...
But is it heading in the right direction? How would one no? Some of that has been straight luck and nothing Minnesota has done. I can especially say that towards the last two Purdue games.
You cherry-picked a 4 year span, that's NOT consistently. Do you know the meaning of the word? Sorry that your little cherry-picked stats don't tell the whole story. Classic liberal arguing techniques you have. I went back to 2000 so I WOULD NOT be accused of cherry picking. Yeesh. Just admit you were wrong to say consistently, you stubborn farm hand.
You're just as bad as headcard is. Why you guys obsess over some cherry-picked stats is beyond me. We weren't winning 8 games in 2017 regardless of coach. We had a brief pocket of talent for a while that would look like an abberation had Fleck not come here.
Facts and coincidence. It can be both. We had a solid roster the year before Fleck, but it was all seniors and the next year was going to be s*** and everyone knew it. And the recruits coming in were straight garbage. In your hatred of the man, you overlook these things and then pretend that I'm being fooled. There's just no way for you to know this as well as a Gopher fan does. But yet you ignore what I'm pointing out.
I'm sure most said Purdue wasn't winning 7 games regardless of coach Brohms first year. Especially after having 5 FBS wins the previous 4 years. But Brohm didn't make excuses.
Yes, we have a modern passing attack, play defense well, get our share of 4* recruits from out of state, and when we play the Northwesterns and such, it's not a back and forth fight like it was under the previous coach, it's convincing wins (outside of the BG debacle).
Since 2000, Minnesota has won 6 or more 13 times. Less than 6 4 times. So.... fleck is still the average or below.
But that was an aberation, that's what you guys weren't getting. There was ZERO chance we were going to keep that up with that coaching staff. Non. Zilp. Zich . Nada. Why don't you guys believe someone who follows the team closely and reads message boards and discusses on them? I don't come on here, briefly look at some Husker stats, and act like I know more than you guys do.
How would we know? Obviously nobody "knows". That is why we play the games. With that said winning is better than losing. It is also a step in the right direction. Though Purdue has had some bad luck, Minnesota has played a role in it's luck by positioning itself to be the benefit of in game breaks.
I get your passion, but what does all of this have to do with Nebraska keeping Frost, or replacing him with another coach. If it helps you, Fleck just signed a 7 year extension.
I guess a better reply would be this: 4 years isn't a long enough time to talk about "consistently". Did we have some success before Fleck? Absolutely. Was it consistent success? No. Iowa and Wisconsin are what I think of when I think of consistently winning 8+ games. Can we agree on that?
I like it. To be fair they didn't have fans until a few years ago.
PJF winning percentage at Minn - .603
I honestly don't know. How can Purdue help? They have a winnable game vs MSU, a guaranteed loss at osu, and two should be wins vs NU and IU.Anyway, I have been doing a little cruising of other boards. We will most likely need a little help from Purdue and Nebraska to pull off a BigTen West championship.
The answer is "C" - nebraska fans thinking they know enough about our program to comment like y'all are.
I guess my question about fleck is can he made Minnesota into a sustainable 8-10 win program? And if so, what signs has he shown, besides 1 good year, to do so.
My bad. I forgot that you had already played both Iowa and Wisconsin. With that said, you already did help!
Don't remind me of the Wisconsin game.... that was the worst second half I've ever seen a Brohm team play. And then it carried over to the first half of Nebraska. Luckily, they showed up at halftime.
This year Brohm is upticking again, but until this year you were actually trending down. You continued to lose more each year and W-L is what you are measured by.
We have a problem? We're ranked #20 and have a legit shot of winning the division. Yeah, perfect time for a coaching change. You must be one of the pro-weed guys.
The difference is we knew the ceiling with the previous staff was 8-9 and never winning a significant bowl game. Kill got us to one, I'll say that, but we lost to Missouri for crying out loud. THOSE OF US who actually follow the program can see the differences you are ignoring, like the caliber of recruits we get. Case in point - in our last class, our WORST rated player would have been one of the best gets of the previous regime.
He was the same last year as the year before percentage wise. Brohms biggest issue is he won early with what he inherited and lots of transfers/rondale Moore. Then once they all left, he's team got incredibly young. Add in a mass amount of injuries, bad year. 2020 was weird and Diaco was volatile.... anyways. This improvement isn't really shocking. Brohm has recruited well and is starting to not be stupid young. Still young, but not as bad.
Fair question, thanks. It's the recruits. Getting players from IMG academy, getting solid players from SEC country. We are recruiting defensive players like we never have before. Usually we would be happy with ONE good defensive tackle - now we are happy with the two-deeps! We have a legit passing attack, unlike the previous regime where the offense was from like a hundred years ago.
100% correct. We had just won a bowl game that we thought we would lose for sure, and it was a great coaching up of the defense that won it.
Also correct. And the wins are better. We thoroughly beat NW, for example. Previous regime would have gone back and forth with them and squeeked out a win.
His DC this year saved his job in my opinion because he hasn't had a good D-Coordinator since he was hired. If your D was bad again this year, it would be ugly in WL and Brohm might be in the same position as Frost is in.
