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Thats the problem. Some do support a form of a socialist government in the Democratic Party. It is very few but why in the hell are they in your party in the first place. That’s what scares me.

Whats even scarier is every election, more of these alt left liberals get elected. Hell that new "squad" member from St. Louis intimated not only should we defund the police, but also the military.

Both of the Senator elects from Georgia both have radical ideology in common.

Most disconcerting is the number of liberals who fail to acknowledge the agenda of the alt left.

Every talking point brought up in the OP has at one time or another been discussed by progressives politicians as policy.
 

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hey op. Please site these countries that are “going socialist and collapsing”.

because from where I see things, all the rest of the industrialized countries, who aren’t “socialist” but have democratic social programs have much better health indicators, debt levels, happiness and intelligence. Is Israel collapsing? Norway, Denmark, Germany, France, Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Spain. The list goes on and on.

learn shit and quit being a myopic dope. Venezuela isn’t socialist, it’s a failed dictatorship.
 

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Yes. Leaving medicine to the market has worked out swimmingly. Spend more per capita than any country and worse health measurements than most. You fiscal conservatives are pretty dumb.

Yes it’s broken.
No, our health care is better than most.
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Or almost. Crazy ass backwards.

Our friend who just moved to Atlanta said this:

No one can justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind.

We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to the nut jobs here.

Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America. WTF?

People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.

Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against White & Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans.

Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.

Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights.

People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.

After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him. Then we allow them to compete in women’s sports too???

It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it.

People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their ART degrees. It’s upside down.
Yep! Boom. Dude are gonna come soon and try to throw pancakes at these facts with opinions.
 

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But that’s the thing, nobody supports “switching to a socialist government” that’s not an idea on the table, even Bernie just sites specific sectors he’d like to see government control. If you say “they want to switch to socialism” and don’t say specifically which sectors the boogeyman wants to switch to socialism, all you’re doing is regurgitating rhetoric
Haha Incorrect. He is all about it and has referred to Scandinavian as how social works, only to be corrected by those countries leaders.

gtfo dud he has always been for it.

oh and he is a sell out anyways.
 

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Excellent point! That's the group that Trump has catered to help bolster his base.
Republicans don’t have a choice of who these idiot support, but the republicans left at lease denounced them unlike the violent leftist Antifa and BLM the democrats support.

get real
 

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The Republicans will take one either the House or Senate back in a couple years. Hell they might take both. The Dems better move fast on their agenda the next two years.
I think the Republican vote is going to be split as a good chunk want to break off and form their own party. Our best hope is we somehow get to three parties and the moderates from both sides take control.
 
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I don’t want specific sectors in the government’s hands. Are you kidding me?
Not even education and transportation? It seems like most of us have fairly well accepted that is something we must provide for all who live here. And I'm talking K-12, not college.
 

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I think the Republican vote is going to be split as a good chunk want to break off and form their own party. Our best hope is we somehow get to three parties and the moderates from both sides take control.
Unless you're going to proportional representation, which you're not. It's Pubs and Dems until you die bae bee
 

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Not even education and transportation? It seems like most of us have fairly well accepted that is something we must provide for all who live here. And I'm talking K-12, not college.
Cut him some slack. He doesn't understand the distinction between public goods and socialism.
 
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Haha Incorrect. He is all about it and has referred to Scandinavian as how social works, only to be corrected by those countries leaders.

gtfo dud he has always been for it.

oh and he is a sell out anyways.

He’s referred to Scandinavian countries on how socialized MEDICINE works, see, a specificsector.

lol and Bernie is a lot of things but a sellout is not one, he might be the only politician who has consistently stuck to the same message over their whole career. I don’t agree with his ideals but I respect him for that
 

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Not even education and transportation? It seems like most of us have fairly well accepted that is something we must provide for all who live here. And I'm talking K-12, not college.

Private sector does a better job than the public sector IMO. Gov’t already runs education and transportation. I‘m for the least amount of gov’t involvement. Do we need gov’t, yes but we don’t need the gov’t in everything.
 
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Lol. Most countries, including all 200 whatever. Yes. Yes it is better than most. But seeing as we spend way more than any other country per capita, I think the bar should be set higher than 37. I mean. We are exceptional aren’t wet


I agree it needs fixed and is above my pay grade to figure out. We should also set the bar higher for education. We should have the smartest kids on the earth. Why not pass school choice? I bet that alone would boost the US.
 

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Neither do I - see, we agree. I guess that makes ALL Democrats ok with you now

I don’t care if yore a dem., pub, Indy, green, or whatever. What I want is common sense solutions. Not power grabs. It’s not about party but our elected officials think it’s all about them. POWER
 
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The radicals on both sides will work to radicalize you by claiming the other side's radicals are really just the rule not the exception. Be better than that.

So yore good with that list above? Nothing radical there. I got brainwashed by the pubs? Ok
 

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I agree it needs fixed and is above my pay grade to figure out. We should also set the bar higher for education. We should have the smartest kids on the earth. Why not pass school choice? I bet that alone would boost the US.
Yea because that is what all the nations that lead the world in education did, was made schooling 100% for profit. When will you guys learn that for profit meds, school are a bad idea. Shore up the issues from the bottom up, not the top down. Trickle down. Is a farce. Society is only as strong as its weakest link and we have a third of the country who literally thinks millions of children are sacrificed for their blood every year in this country. Jfc.
 

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RollingLaugh Joe Biden says hi. I can list more if you’d like.

Cool recent article. Nothing available from the Carter administration?
 
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So yore good with that list above? Nothing radical there. I got brainwashed by the pubs? Ok
No I’m not good with that list, yes it’s radical. The fact that you read it that way is evidence that you got brainwashed by the radical right. I’m a centrist dem, that list is not an accurate representation of what I believe. Case in point, I think @Frostradamus policy idea on student loans is a great starting point to addressing that issue.
 

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Yea because that is what all the nations that lead the world in education did, was made schooling 100% for profit. When will you guys learn that for profit meds, school are a bad idea. Shore up the issues from the bottom up, not the top down. Trickle down. Is a farce. Society is only as strong as its weakest link and we have a third of the country who literally thinks millions of children are sacrificed for their blood every year in this country. Jfc.

School choice is not for profit the way I understand it. It’s hey this school we are in has a bunch of shitty teachers. Let’s go to a different school. Hold shitty teachers accountable. Btw I’m fine with for profit schools also.
 

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School choice is not for profit the way I understand it. It’s hey this school we are in has a bunch of shitty teachers. Let’s go to a different school. Hold shitty teachers accountable. Btw I’m fine with for profit schools also.
Of course you are
 
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Seems likely that trumpers fall back out of the political system once he isn't on the ballot.
There's one on my Facebook feed declaring himself a member of the Deplorable Party now and that he will never vote for another Republican again.
 

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There's one on my Facebook feed declaring himself a member of the Deplorable Party now and that he will never vote for another Republican again.
Could you imagine being Josh Hawley levels of stupid and thinking that Trump was somehow going to pass the throne the you and all of his supporters with it?
 

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What's your disagreement on the student loan issue? I have a bunch of student loans still and make pretty good money. Why should other taxpayers pay off my student loans?
I will be more than happy to take the $250K I have saved for my kids college and buy a cabin for my self and have all of you and the rest pay for my kids college. I don't agree with the forgiving college debt either!
 

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I will be more than happy to take the $250K I have saved for my kids college and buy a cabin for my self and have all of you and the rest pay for my kids college. I don't agree with the forgiving college debt either!
I'm fine paying some higher taxes for a more educated citizenry, which is apparently important according to the great Thomas Jefferson.
 

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You're delusional man. Europe is collapsing? No one is proposing that the US becomes Venezuela, where governments takes over the means of production. Literally no one with any sort of power is promoting this idea. The most liberal Democrats want something along the lines of Canada... Canada is "going socialist and collapsing"? You're working from a completely wrong headed set of ideas that are not true or correct.

Putting a citizenship question on the census is clearly an effort to intimidate illegals. Why can't you just say that instead of trying to spin it that we don't want to count Americans?

You're talking about 5% of Democrats that actually believe this. I could say the same about Republicans all being racists.

So, let's fix this. This is somehow worse than attacking the Capital?

Vague and again, worse than attacking the Capital???

What are you even talking about?

Reparations are a very vague term, and I agree it's not a great approach. Hey, look, people on opposite sides can agree. Again, this is worse than storming the Capital?

This is just not a big deal, man. Again, worse than storming the Capital? Come one, really?

That never happened, numbnuts.


If you know anything about student loans then you'd understand that they were tremendously predatory. Giving $30,000 to $50,000 loans to kids that are 18 or 19 or 20 years old -- and conning them into believing that they were going to get a job that paid well enough to pay these loans -- was just wrong. These loans were absolutely predatory. The people giving the loans were taking a GIANT risk on these loans, except they weren't because the government was guaranteeing them, allowing them to make far riskier loans than they ever should have. People aren't required to pay the full interest, which allows the principal to grow over time. There are people who took out $30,000 in loans and now owe $100,000. These loans were just plain wrong and never should have been allowed. We need to do something to fix this. I thought Republicans believed in the free market... would you then say that these people should allow to declare bankruptcy, because these are loans that should have never been made and the companies that made them never would have made these loans if they didn't have those bankruptcy protections.
This is similar to the Credit cards charging 20-30% back in the day and the government stepped in. They neeed to impose a 5-7.5% maximum charge on student loan debt.
 
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With the new "voting model" perfected by the Dems, no shot anyway.
Uhhh, Donal Trump won the election in 2016 but lost the popular vote by +2
M to Hillary. What is wrong with the voting model?
 

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Here's my dilemma.... as an avid hunter and conservationist I fear both parties. Many industrialists and the hard right want to take away public land, drill, mine or ranch on it. The left doesn't appreciate hunting and the money it brings to conservation of our country. Trump did some good and bad things environmentally. For example, he delisted tributaries from the Clean Water Act that Obama had included, but created the Great American Outdoorsman Act. Of course, we are all afraid of the Dems taking away our guns(who have them). But this will never happen. It is so frustrating to be put in a box. You're either a DEM or REP and must adhere to every principal they hold dear. Jeez, I had our priest telling us to vote for Trump. I was shocked! Let's not accept this and demand more of our government!
 

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Do you think Trump will fade away? My fear is he will continue to stir the pot and and keep his base on full fervor. I hope he just goes away though!
I don't know that he will fade away, but he turned out a lot of people who aren't particularly attached to the political system and it's an open question as to whether his base is "transferrable" to other politicians, which it didn't prove to be in 2018 midterms. But I agree he will be around, especially compared any of his predecessors.
 

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Uhhh, Donal Trump won the election in 2016 but lost the popular vote by +2
M to Hillary. What is wrong with the voting model?

Donald Trump won 2497 counties and Joe Biden won 477, you tell me. Fact is, particularly in this day and age, both the electoral college and popular votes favor the Democrats.

Large urban areas will almost always vote Democrat based on the fact Democrats cater to those who rely on the government for there livelihood. Until Republicans can change that narrative, Dems will always have the advantage, and I expect it will continue to get worse.
Democrats are chronic enablers which suits them and there cause, whatever that is, just fine.

Trump changed that thinking slightly but not nearly enough.
 

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Donald Trump won 2497 counties and Joe Biden won 477, you tell me. Fact is, particularly in this day and age, both the electoral college and popular votes favor the Democrats.

Large urban areas will almost always vote Democrat based on the fact Democrats cater to those who rely on the government for there livelihood. Until Republicans can change that narrative, Dems will always have the advantage, and I expect it will continue to get worse.
Democrats are chronic enablers which suits them and there cause, whatever that is, just fine.

Trump changed that thinking slightly but not nearly enough.

It's pretty fricking weird to consider "counties" as some measure of votes. People vote. Not counties
 
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It's pretty fricking weird to consider "counties" as some measure of votes. People vote. Not counties

Have you looked at an electoral map? Point is urban areas favor Dems. Rest of the country not so much. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, urban areas have the biggest populations.