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OT - Vaccination Benefits Who?

Unless for health reasons, I'll never understand anybody over the age of 30 that doesn't get vaccinated.

This isn't fear porn. Older people die when they get this virus.

People have no problem taking a flu shot every year, but somehow a Covid shot is different? JFC folks. While the message from our supposed leaders may be discombobulated and pathetic, the reality is still there. While I believe it is a choice everyone should have, I'll never shed a tear for the unvaxxed in the ICU.
So what older person that wants to take the vaccination hasn’t been vaccinated?

I’ve been considerate of others, I wear a mask I socially distance but I choose not to get an emergency authorized vaccination that hasn’t had fully testing and I’m an asshole?

I am uninformed because the vaccination doesn’t have full details about long-term affects or what’s in it. I’m the asshole because I don’t get the flu shot every year?
 
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So what older person that wants to take the vaccination hasn’t been vaccinated?

I’ve been considerate of others, I wear a mask I socially distance but I choose not to get an emergency authorized vaccination that hasn’t had fully testing and I’m an asshole?

I am uninformed because the vaccination doesn’t have full details about long-term affects or what’s in it. I’m the asshole because I don’t get the flu shot every year?
Believe it or not there are thousands if not millions of grannies on facebook to see pictures of their grandkids etc. My spouse is unfortunately still seeing 70+ year olds as COVID patients who say, "I didn't get vaccinated because I heard it will hurt my heart or ovaries." Damn people if you don't want to get vaccinated, DON"T but please don't keep spreading the narrative that getting vaccinated is harmful. You do you but please leave the rest up to their Doctors.
 
This is one of the cardiologists who shredded the study that the Big 10 used to cancel last year.

 
This is one of the cardiologists who shredded the study that the Big 10 used to cancel last year.

If the vaccine is no good what does it matter? Many poor countries have already had COVID run through their whole population. They did virtually nothing for mitigation. Let's face it. It's tough to get vaccine administered to 3rd world countries. In addition South America predominantly has Lambda. South Africa has B.1.7.1 or whatever they're calling it now. The vaccine hasn't shown efficacy against those strains. Failing to booster at risk people in this country to vaccinate young people in poor countries would be a foolish effort of good intentions. There is no shortage of vaccine.

The reason we have vaccine today is that Trump stimulated private enterprise to get it done and kicked the ass of the NIH, CDC and FDA to get the hell out of the way. Britain has a vaccine because Oxford University had already developed one for the first SARs outbreak. I wouldn't take the one they developed personally because I think Moderna's and Pfizer's are much safer.
 
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If the vaccine is no good what does it matter? Many poor countries have already had COVID run through their whole population. They did virtually nothing for mitigation. Let's face it. It's tough to get vaccine administered to 3rd world countries. In addition South America predominantly has Lambda. South Africa has B.1.7.1 or whatever they're calling it now. The vaccine hasn't shown efficacy against those strains. Failing to booster at risk people in this country to vaccinate young people in poor countries would be a foolish effort of good intentions. There is no shortage of vaccine.

The reason we have vaccine today is that Trump stimulated private enterprise to get it done and kicked the ass of the NIH, CDC and FDA to get the hell out of the way. Britain has a vaccine because Oxford University had already developed one for the first SARs outbreak. I wouldn't take the one they developed personally because I think Moderna's and Pfizer's are much safer.
And that is how you answer a question no one asked.
 
And that is how you answer a question no one asked.
You just posted a tweet that asked the question about giving 3rd shots here versus providing vaccine to poorer nations. Part of the answer is that we have multiple vaccines and vaccine is not in such short supply that we need to short change our own high risk citizens. That's the Cliff's Notes version.
 
You just posted a tweet that asked the question about giving 3rd shots here versus providing vaccine to poorer nations. Part of the answer is that we have multiple vaccines and vaccine is not in such short supply that we need to short change our own high risk citizens. That's the Cliff's Notes version.
Ok buddy.
 
Believe it or not there are thousands if not millions of grannies on facebook to see pictures of their grandkids etc. My spouse is unfortunately still seeing 70+ year olds as COVID patients who say, "I didn't get vaccinated because I heard it will hurt my heart or ovaries." Damn people if you don't want to get vaccinated, DON"T but please don't keep spreading the narrative that getting vaccinated is harmful. You do you but please leave the rest up to their Doctors.
You can't say they aren't harmful. Tens of thousands have been harmed or died within days. It's likely undercounted. People aren't stupid. They read the stories and they watch the media and govt lie, misconstrue and malign people who question them.
 
You can't say they aren't harmful. Tens of thousands have been harmed or died within days. It's likely undercounted. People aren't stupid. They read the stories and they watch the media and govt lie, misconstrue and malign people who question them.
Tens of thousands were harmed or "died within days"? Really? Did you find that from a reliable source or did you just pull that out of your butt? After 357 million doses there are reports of over 6000 deaths AFTER vaccination not necessarily from COVID or the vaccine. You do recall the argument that the elderly were dying WITH COVID and not from COVID right? We gave COVID vaccine to over 30 million residents of long term care facilities and millions more elderly and unhealthy people who weren't in the nursing home. One would expect that many deaths regardless of whether or not those people had been given the vaccine. In fact it is highly likely that tens of thousands of people already incubating COVID were given the vaccine.
 
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The vaccines (breakthrough infections) are the cause of the variants. Non vaccinated people are not the source of the variants.
 
That’s a special kind of stupid, variants of this virus started before vaccinations were even being given.
Vaccines and antibiotics have always carried the potential to mutate viruses/pathogens, and they in fact do just that. They have claimed there are these variants spreading like wildfire, however nobody can point to how they know when a case is "Delta Variant" when they are only administering basic covid tests that only indicate positive or negative. These tests are discarded. I am in the camp that thinks it is bullshit. Also, you are one of the dumbest posters on this board.
 
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I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.
Great post. And spot on.
 
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So what older person that wants to take the vaccination hasn’t been vaccinated?

I’ve been considerate of others, I wear a mask I socially distance but I choose not to get an emergency authorized vaccination that hasn’t had fully testing and I’m an asshole?

I am uninformed because the vaccination doesn’t have full details about long-term affects or what’s in it. I’m the asshole because I don’t get the flu shot every year?

Never said you were an asshole, but if you insist, I can call you as such.

And like I said, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice. Don't cry to others when you are in the ICU gasping for your life.
 
Never said you were an asshole, but if you insist, I can call you as such.

And like I said, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice. Don't cry to others when you are in the ICU gasping for your life.
You have issues. "f ucking die if you don't believe what I believe"
Who else don't you shed tears for when they die? Psychopath
 
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Vaccines and antibiotics have always carried the potential to mutate viruses/pathogens, and they in fact do just that. They have claimed there are these variants spreading like wildfire, however nobody can point to how they know when a case is "Delta Variant" when they are only administering basic covid tests that only indicate positive or negative. These tests are discarded. I am in the camp that thinks it is bullshit. Also, you are one of the dumbest posters on this board.
Viruses have the potential to mutate, and in fact have done so since the dawn of time, before vaccines ever existed.

There are tests that detect variants, they use genomic sequencing to track variants. About 15,000 positives will go to sequencing weekly..
 
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yes, you are quite the intolerant elitist, lacking any empathy or understanding.
"unless you do what I feel is best, I could care less if you die"

What is there to understand?

You don't take the readily available vaccine that has killed 8M people on the planet, you get sick, and then die; and it is my fault?

I'd rather you get vaxxed. Has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

If not getting vaxxed is your choice, then that is your choice and you can live with the consequences. I sincerely hope nothing dire happens to you.
 
What is there to understand?

You don't take the readily available vaccine that has killed 8M people on the planet, you get sick, and then die; and it is my fault?

I'd rather you get vaxxed. Has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

If not getting vaxxed is your choice, then that is your choice and you can live with the consequences. I sincerely hope nothing dire happens to you.
That isn't what you've expressed so far.

"People have no problem taking a flu shot every year, but somehow a Covid shot is different? JFC folks. While the message from our supposed leaders may be discombobulated and pathetic, the reality is still there. While I believe it is a choice everyone should have, I'll never shed a tear for the unvaxxed in the ICU."

"And like I said, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice. Don't cry to others when you are in the ICU gasping for your life."

Pretty sadistic.

You don't hear ones on here calling vaccinated ones idiots and that if they die, that is what they deserve for getting the jab.
 
That isn't what you've expressed so far.

"People have no problem taking a flu shot every year, but somehow a Covid shot is different? JFC folks. While the message from our supposed leaders may be discombobulated and pathetic, the reality is still there. While I believe it is a choice everyone should have, I'll never shed a tear for the unvaxxed in the ICU."

"And like I said, if you don't want to take the vaccine, that is your choice. Don't cry to others when you are in the ICU gasping for your life."

Pretty sadistic.

You don't hear ones on here calling vaccinated ones idiots and that if they die, that is what they deserve for getting the jab.
Wow.

You need help. I wish you all the best.
 
So much for the FDA not being influenced by outside sources. Employer mandates will soon follow in mass now they have FDA approval.:(

FDA grants Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine full approval
Why just 16 and older? Give it to everyone. Double the dose, just in case.

I will disabuse anyone of the notion that our govt is some benevolent force for peace, freedom and security in the world. It's infected with corporatists at all levels and the money motive drives and corrupts everything it touches. To hear pols talking of the good of the American people makes me gag. We are pawns in all of this. Wake up!
 
I will disabuse anyone of the notion that our govt is some benevolent force for peace, freedom and security in the world. It's infected with corporatists at all levels and the money motive drives and corrupts everything it touches. To hear pols talking of the good of the American people makes me gag. We are pawns in all of this. Wake up!
I'm glad I'm not living with your mindset, that would not be fun at all...
 
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