OT - Vaccination Benefits Who?

[dinglefritz]

We do not and cannot possibly know that right now. We can hypothesize, but that is nowhere near proven. That will take years. I know you’re not for forced vaccinations, but you are feeding those hungry liberal bellies that are calling for it by making these false assertions.

I was speaking as to the immediate risks from vaccination which are extremely rare and widely publicized. You are viewing from a "yeah but what if 5 years from now it causes sterility" viewpoint. The claims of damage to ovaries and such is ludicrous. There is no way in hell that a completely inactive subunit vaccine is going to cause more organ damage long OR short term than getting the live virus.

 

[dinglefritz]

He died, but it would have been worse if he didn't have the vaccine. So of this crap is written by 1st graders apparently.

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twitter paraphrased quotes are neat. Vaccinated people are still dying from COVID in some cases. Some of us on immunosuppressive medications didn't produce good immunity from vaccination. We have a huge number of Americans taking long term corticosteroids and other drugs (immunomodulators) for autoimmune diseases. That is why I just got my 3rd shot yesterday. Vaccination is NOT 100% for everyone and never has been. Fauci is an idiot.

 

[dinglefritz]

It doesn’t unless you get enough people vaccinated to reach heard immunity based on the infection rate of the said virus.

All vaccines work this way. Reason you never hear these stories about things like mumps and polio is because 99.999 percent of the population is vaccinated. The few people that could get it in that senario don’t because the virus never gets any legs.

This virus is behaving differently than any of those other viruses. It has mutated more rapidly to seemingly similarly virulent strains. Those new strains are not as affected by antibodies to the vaccine which was designed maybe a little too specific for the strains recognized early on. They are going to have to modify the vaccines IMO. We're going to be living with this thing for years I'm afraid. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[GBRforLife1]

twitter paraphrased quotes are neat. Vaccinated people are still dying from COVID in some cases. Some of us on immunosuppressive medications didn't produce good immunity from vaccination. We have a huge number of Americans taking long term corticosteroids and other drugs (immunomodulators) for autoimmune diseases. That is why I just got my 3rd shot yesterday. Vaccination is NOT 100% for everyone and never has been. Fauci is an idiot.

It wasn't a twitter paraphrased quote. It was from a news article. Try again gramps

 

[GMDYBBY]

This virus is behaving differently than any of those other viruses. It has mutated more rapidly to seemingly similarly virulent strains. Those new strains are not as affected by antibodies to the vaccine which was designed maybe a little too specific for the strains recognized early on. They are going to have to modify the vaccines IMO. We're going to be living with this thing for years I'm afraid. Hope I'm wrong.

So a few points.

Every infection is a chance for a new variant. Lower vaccine rates cause more variants.

Variants are vaccine resistant because they survived the vaccine. Millions of variants don’t.

Bottom line. If 95% of the world was vaccinated in a timely fashion this topic goes away.

 

[Big10domination]

Fauci

"We just need you to shelter in place for 2 weeks to flatten the curve. After that everything is back to normal."
ok

"Okay we need you at home for a while longer and could you socially distance as well."
ok

"For safety sake we need you to mask-up, socially distance and stay at home a couple more months, then everything is back to normal ... promise."
ok

"It is your patriotic duty to stay at home a while longer, quit working, socially distance, wear 3 masks, and inject yourself with a DNA-altering chemical. But you can trust us because we have never lied to you. As long as you understand that repeatedly breaking promises isn't a lie."
ok

"The planet is dying from these variants. We don't have vaccines for all of them. The lockdowns will stay in place to prove our love for you. You'll need to keep doing the other things as well until we say it is safe to return to the life you had."

Can you tell us when that might be?

"You know perfectly well questions like that are illegal."

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Walensky on Wednesday said that people who received the Covid vaccine early on are at an increased risk for severe disease.

CDC Director Walensky: There is an "Increased Risk of Severe Disease Among Those Vaccinated Early" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

The Biden Administration is now working overtime to get a THIRD Covid shot into the arms of Americans.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[John_J_Rambo]

After reading this entire thread, I am ready to be claimed by covid

 

[Bruce1981]

No. The vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't get sick. What it does is keep you out of the hospital, where 1 in 4 never make it out alive. In your case, little to no symptoms. Wish I could have had that instead of a week of respiratory fun.

They said it would stop the spread in the very beginning.

 

[GBRforLife1]

So a few points.

Every infection is a chance for a new variant. Lower vaccine rates cause more variants.

Variants are vaccine resistant because they survived the vaccine. Millions of variants don’t.

Bottom line. If 95% of the world was vaccinated in a timely fashion this topic goes away.

Can you outline the fantasy world you live in where 7,600,000,000 people are "vaccinated in a timely fashion"

Never mind this vaccine is EUA. Nevermind kids are at almost no risk.

The bubble this kind of thought lives in is disassociated with reality.

 

[61bigredfan]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

 

[T...Chafes]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

In before you get informed that you don't know what you are talking about, even though you know what you see on a daily basis.

Imagine if you went after posters here about their industry/line of work, and told them they don't know what they are talking about in their industry 😉

Thank you for the work you are doing....

 

[dinglefritz]

So a few points.

Every infection is a chance for a new variant. Lower vaccine rates cause more variants.

Variants are vaccine resistant because they survived the vaccine. Millions of variants don’t.

Bottom line. If 95% of the world was vaccinated in a timely fashion this topic goes away.

There's virtually no chance of being able to vaccinate enough of the world's population fast enough to prevent a variant from taking hold unless the vaccine is effective against that variant. I thought these vaccines would be able to protect against random antigenic drift. I was wrong. We travel way too much and way too quickly from country to country.

We'll see what happens with Lambda and the South African variant. IMO, what we're seeing here with this incredible advance in mRNA technology is that they designed the vaccine with too narrow of an antigenic base. That may help reduce vaccine reactions but doesn't appear to offer the kind of protection we would like.

 

[dinglefritz]

They said it would stop the spread in the very beginning.

It absolutely stopped the spread in our area nursing homes. We went from carting out COVID victims nearly every day to zero deaths within two weeks of the second dose. We went from no visitors, patients staying in their room to normal operations in a matter of a few weeks once they got everybody vaccinated.

The issue now is that the Delta variant isn't covered very well by the vaccine. The only thing I've heard about the Lambda South American variant and the South African variants is that the current vaccines aren't great against those either. I don't know if they'll be as deadly.

 

[dinglefritz]

Walensky on Wednesday said that people who received the Covid vaccine early on are at an increased risk for severe disease.

CDC Director Walensky: There is an "Increased Risk of Severe Disease Among Those Vaccinated Early" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

The Biden Administration is now working overtime to get a THIRD Covid shot into the arms of Americans.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

That quote is being taken out of context. What he's referring to is that people who were vaccinated early on were predominately people in high risk groups many of whom don't produce a good immune response to vaccines. He's comparing that group's risk who had their vaccine over 6 months ago to the more recently vaccinated demographic group which largely is composed of younger lower risk citizens. It is becoming painfully apparent that the protection provided against variants by current vaccines wanes more quickly than I had hoped.

Got my 3rd shot yesterday. Sore arm last night and today. Worked at the "ranch" most of the day today. They're going to start offering boosters to active medical professionals in September due to the risk of infection with Delta in people who were vaccinated more than 3 months ago.

 

[bigboxes]

That quote is being taken out of context. What he's referring to is that people who were vaccinated early on were predominately people in high risk groups many of whom don't produce a good immune response to vaccines. He's comparing that group's risk who had their vaccine over 6 months ago to the more recently vaccinated demographic group which largely is composed of younger lower risk citizens. It is becoming painfully apparent that the protection provided against variants by current vaccines wanes more quickly than I had hoped.

Got my 3rd shot yesterday. Sore arm last night and today. Worked at the "ranch" most of the day today.

Keep fighting old man! I would get a third shot whenever they allow me. I'm guessing end of the year/next year.

 

[GBRforLife1]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

How many people in the ICU are acceptable to you?

 

[RedBaloneyPony]

We are losing sight of this again. This is full on a ****in Chinese weapon, but they are never going to be held accountable. I'll never eat Chinese food agaiN!

Don’t go that far, just refuse to use chop stix

 

[GBRforLife1]

Hmmmmm

 

[SomedayHusker]

I was speaking as to the immediate risks from vaccination which are extremely rare and widely publicized. You are viewing from a "yeah but what if 5 years from now it causes sterility" viewpoint. The claims of damage to ovaries and such is ludicrous. There is no way in hell that a completely inactive subunit vaccine is going to cause more organ damage long OR short term than getting the live virus.

Widely publicized? 😂 Sorry but no. You think they’re rare because you only know about the widely publicized ones…That’s how media control/censorship works.

I didn’t bring up ovaries but there ARE Facebook groups where hundreds of women post every day about how they’ve had zero variations in their menstrual cycle for literally decades until the shot, so I would say it is definitely affecting many women.

Regardless, what a coincidence it is that we have a coronavirus with so many unusual characteristics released and within months we have an equally unbelievable breakthrough in the vaccine that we all have to take otherwise we basically get the Star of David stamp.

 

[Blindcheck]

U.S. Census bureau statistics page. EDIT: Upon further digging, the CDC does in fact show a dramatic drop in life expectancy in 2020. Now I can't find the U.S. Census Bureau page that I saw a rise on. Apparently all of the COVID, suicide and overdose deaths of young people in 2020 lowered our life expectancy even given how many 80 year old plus people died from COVID.

Life expectancy is an interesting statistic.

the usual life expectancy is for a person born today....we expect them to live to 77 (or whatever that number is).

someone that is 60, their life expectancy is probably 80.

someone that is 80, it is 84....

These are made up numbers.....but the older you are, the higher your life expectancy...

Having said all that, it is interesting that Covid could have affected the life expectancy of babies being born today.

 

[drubendall]

So a few points.

Every infection is a chance for a new variant. Lower vaccine rates cause more variants.

Variants are vaccine resistant because they survived the vaccine. Millions of variants don’t.

Bottom line. If 95% of the world was vaccinated in a timely fashion this topic goes away.

Delusional.

 

[drubendall]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

No. Please take Ivermectin, D, C, zinc and quercetin.

 

[SomedayHusker]

No. Please take Ivermectin, D, C, zinc and quercetin.

Another single data point you can look at and say “Oh ok, this whole thing is definitely a giant scam and not about anyone’s health” Things that hundreds of docs are using successfully around the globe are being HEAVILY suppressed when the patent is expired on Ivermectin $$$$$…

The “fact checkers” excuse for suppressing Ivermectin is simply “it hasn’t been studied enough” which is not an excuse considering we just spent billions on a *brand new* vaccine. If Fauci isn’t studying Ivermectin at this point, it is on purpose, making it VERY clear that health is not the goal here.

 

[StoneTempleHusker]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

Unless for health reasons, I'll never understand anybody over the age of 30 that doesn't get vaccinated.

This isn't fear porn. Older people die when they get this virus.

People have no problem taking a flu shot every year, but somehow a Covid shot is different? JFC folks. While the message from our supposed leaders may be discombobulated and pathetic, the reality is still there. While I believe it is a choice everyone should have, I'll never shed a tear for the unvaxxed in the ICU.

 

[Big10domination]

I'm sitting here typing my ICU progress notes, looking for a break. I have 8 patients in the ICU with Covid pneumonia. That is 1/2 our current ICU census. Influenza in its worse years will have maybe 1/8 patients in the ICU, usually less.

Patients we have been having with COVID in the ICU fit into two groups:

1. unvaccinated (2/3) ages 40+
2. vaccinated >6 months ago with age ~65 (1/3).

I have not seen young people who are vaccinated, or anyone with a recent vaccination of any age except for one Janssen/J&J vaccinee who got the illness within a few weeks of the shot.

half of our current ICU patients with covid are not likely to make it out. Another Covid ICU patient died just yesterday.

I am not angry at those who are not vaccinated who are sick.

I am sad. I have been doing this for >30 years and I have never seen this much sickness due to a single pathogen.

This is suffering. Needless suffering.

Please get vaccinated, no matter who you voted for. No matter who you cheer for .

Please.

anecdotal = science?

Real doctors don't believe that.

 

[T...Chafes]

Unless for health reasons, I'll never understand anybody over the age of 30 that doesn't get vaccinated.

This isn't fear porn. Older people die when they get this virus.

People have no problem taking a flu shot every year, but somehow a Covid shot is different? JFC folks. While the message from our supposed leaders may be discombobulated and pathetic, the reality is still there. While I believe it is a choice everyone should have, I'll never shed a tear for the unvaxxed in the ICU.

It's never a big deal until someone they know and love is affected by it. I've known a lot of people affected by Covid- had a miserable time with it, also have several co-workers have been in the ICU with it, my wife had a co-worker die from Covid. If my son catches it, he may end up in the ICU unfortunately.

I have yet to meet anyone have any problem with the vaccine (other than a few hours of reaction), yet probably 60+% of the people I know have had the vaccine. And yet the somehow the vaccine will cause more long term damage than the actual virus.

 

[dinglefritz]

Hmmmmm

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I'll take the miniscule risk of transient myocarditis from vaccination over the very real high risk of nephritis from getting a naturally acquired infection. For somebody like me who has had myocarditis from the flu, this isn't all that alarming. If somebody gets myocarditis from vaccine, God help them if they get a naturally acquired COVID infection. Again, we're assessing risk versus reward in population medicine. The risk of myocarditis from naturally acquired COVID is exponentially higher than the risk of of a transient myocarditis from vaccination. Keep selling fear.

 

[GBRforLife1]

I'll take the miniscule risk of transient myocarditis from vaccination over the very real high risk of nephritis from getting a naturally acquired infection. For somebody who like me who has had myocarditis from the flu, this isn't all that alarming. If somebody gets myocarditis from vaccine, God help them if they get a naturally acquired COVID infection. Again, we're assessing risk versus reward in population medicine. The risk of myocarditis from naturally acquired COVID is exponentially higher than the risk of of a transient myocarditis from vaccination. Keep selling fear.

The idea that you think I'm selling anything other than freedom is just sour grapes on your part. Got your next shot scheduled yet?

 

[StoneTempleHusker]

The idea that you think I'm selling anything other than freedom is just sour grapes on your part. Got your next shot scheduled yet?

I'll get the booster shot as quickly as possible when available.

I have this weird condition called I don't want to die yet.

 

[dinglefritz]

The idea that you think I'm selling anything other than freedom is just sour grapes on your part. Got your next shot scheduled yet?

Hopefully they'll come out with a booster that will protect against emerging variants some time this winter. Then I'll get another booster not too long after I get my flu shot.

 

[bingo65]

They said it would stop the spread in the very beginning.

if everyone got the vaccine

 

[bingo65]

Walensky on Wednesday said that people who received the Covid vaccine early on are at an increased risk for severe disease.

CDC Director Walensky: There is an "Increased Risk of Severe Disease Among Those Vaccinated Early" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

The Biden Administration is now working overtime to get a THIRD Covid shot into the arms of Americans.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

you get your news from a propaganda site. that article was written as propaganda not news. You can tell by all the added adjectives and opinions in the piece. i believe the reality is people vaccinated early are at increased risk versus those vaccinated late. they are still better off than those unvaccinated. the writer took the comments completely out of context then added their own words for effect. this writer is guilty of the same things it accuses the liberal media of doing. stoking fear

 

[GBRforLife1]

I'll get the booster shot as quickly as possible when available.

I have this weird condition called I don't want to die yet.

Hey, if you think that's the right thing for you to do, by all means, go do it.

 

[bingo65]

In before you get informed that you don't know what you are talking about, even though you know what you see on a daily basis.

Imagine if you went after posters here about their industry/line of work, and told them they don't know what they are talking about in their industry 😉

Thank you for the work you are doing....

absolutely. the excuses these people invent to justify not wanting to wear a mask or get vaccinated is unbelievable. i guess we really hate thinking of ourselves as unintelligent or irrational so we would rather buy into conspiracy theories and believe propaganda then just accept the fact that some of us make different decisions that are probably irrational. Its ok. none of us are perfect. the spreading of misinformation is a political game and a way for a minority of people to feel better about their "outside the lines" decision making.

 

[bingo65]

Widely publicized? 😂 Sorry but no. You think they’re rare because you only know about the widely publicized ones…That’s how media control/censorship works.

I didn’t bring up ovaries but there ARE Facebook groups where hundreds of women post every day about how they’ve had zero variations in their menstrual cycle for literally decades until the shot, so I would say it is definitely affecting many women.

Regardless, what a coincidence it is that we have a coronavirus with so many unusual characteristics released and within months we have an equally unbelievable breakthrough in the vaccine that we all have to take otherwise we basically get the Star of David stamp.

tip #1 dont go to facebook for ANY healthcare information. using info from facebook is irrelevant to any scientific discussion. there are facebook groups with thousands of people posting every day about their sexual encounters with aliens too.
the fact you would even mention a facebook group as a source of influence makes your opinion ignorable

 

[bingo65]

Another single data point you can look at and say “Oh ok, this whole thing is definitely a giant scam and not about anyone’s health” Things that hundreds of docs are using successfully around the globe are being HEAVILY suppressed when the patent is expired on Ivermectin $$$$$…

The “fact checkers” excuse for suppressing Ivermectin is simply “it hasn’t been studied enough” which is not an excuse considering we just spent billions on a *brand new* vaccine. If Fauci isn’t studying Ivermectin at this point, it is on purpose, making it VERY clear that health is not the goal here.

LOL
i think there are other underground sites you should stick to posting at.

 

[bingo65]

I'll take the miniscule risk of transient myocarditis from vaccination over the very real high risk of nephritis from getting a naturally acquired infection. For somebody like me who has had myocarditis from the flu, this isn't all that alarming. If somebody gets myocarditis from vaccine, God help them if they get a naturally acquired COVID infection. Again, we're assessing risk versus reward in population medicine. The risk of myocarditis from naturally acquired COVID is exponentially higher than the risk of of a transient myocarditis from vaccination. Keep selling fear.

GBR loves to downplay the risk of the virus but exaggerate the risk of the vaccine. he is ALWAYS wrong on which one has the higher risk.
GBR its ok you can go ahead and choose the higher risk option. but quit misleading others into believing that numbers back up your decision. they dont.
many of us make irrational decisions on a daily basis. we dont spread misinformation as a way to elevate ourselves. we just accept that we struggle with certain decisions.

 

[bingo65]

The idea that you think I'm selling anything other than freedom is just sour grapes on your part. Got your next shot scheduled yet?

the fact that you think you are selling freedom is as kooky as your backasswards benefit/risk ratios.
i can't wait to hear the next thing in the long line of psychological cuddling you invent to make yourself feel better about your minority views on these topics.
we could make a 10 page list of your battle cry reasons for not wanting to believe anything

 

[TampaBaySkers]

I'll get the booster shot as quickly as possible when available.

I have this weird condition called I don't want to die yet.

You must also have a low bmi, avoid traveling in a vehicle, not drink alcohol, stay out of the sun, don’t eat any processed foods, work our daily (in your home gym of course), eat a plant based diet with some lean meats, etc..

 

[StoneTempleHusker]

You must also have a low bmi, avoid traveling in a vehicle, not drink alcohol, stay out of the sun, don’t eat any processed foods, work our daily (in your home gym of course), eat a plant based diet with some lean meats, etc..

3 for 7. Not bad.

I'm guessing you voted for Joe Biden and like little boys. I'd be 1 for 2 at worst and still hitting a better percentage of lame-assed stereo-typing than yourself.