100% agree with that. Let's not act like it was good, but let's not bury it either.
This line of thinking is kind of how Lincoln was able to save the union.
I'm not saying we shouldn't recognize the heritage of the south or even objectively the accomplishments of their military generals. A holiday/celebration for their army general however, in my opinion, is laughable. When is Ulysses S Grant Day? We don't even have an Abraham Lincoln Day; it's Presidents' Day.
Sparky=PresLincoln!!! Looks like you got a promotion Sparky, well done!
It's not, just saying it's hard to take the south seriously when they still recognize and celebrate traitors as heroes.
Now it's a thread!. As long as Sarah Palin will be my running mate. Cool
Yes, because I find stupidity to be a very rancid perfume.
Isn't it amazing how a thread about the history of the south can turn into Sparky and Sarah Palin in the sack!
I would say most intelligent people would in fact say NEVER forget. But forgetting is far different from celebrating. To allow a confederate general to have a day named after him? Thats celebrating. Doubt they have Hitler day or even Rommel day in Germany. Doubt towns in Germany still fly Nazi flags at their town halls. We however have southern states that until very recently flew confederate flags at their capital buildings.
No. For example in Mississippi 49% of all white households were slave owning families. In the deep south Alabama had the lowest percentage of slave owning families at 35%.
Dont wanna start a big debate on this but I said european christians I was not including jewish slaveholders as european christians, or free blacks who also held slave at much higher % than euro chrstians in the south,, very small % of european christians participated in slavery, slavery was big business and the vast majority of slaves went to different parts of the world, this had gone on long before the colonies had them and long time after, this was set up by african chieftians who delivered slaves straight to the slave ships, that was their business. The european christian did more to fight and end slavery that any other people on earth and participated far fewer than most. Now we can all agree slavery is a hideous institution and be glad are country ended it almost 200 years ago. So know reason for white guilt.
So the numbers for slave holding white families in the south are incredibly inflated because a small group of Jews and free blacks held slaves at a very high percentage while a very small percentage of "european chrstians" held slaves? You seriously believe that?
War between the States huh? PR spin at its finest.I was born and for a time lived in the most segregated city in the U.S., Chicago. Dixie up north. Preach on concerning the righteousness of the Yanks. The North was signing the Irish & Scots up as they stepped off the boats. The North was victorious due in large part because of the Irish and Scots!
When I was transferred to NC., I became aware of the South's history & contribution to our American Revolution and the sadness of the War between the States. Brother against brother, family against family. For what? Nothing has changed, in fact, I believe things have gotten worse. I have no "white guilt," my parents taught me to judge people on their actions.
History cannot be changed, it happened. And Chicago's still the most segregated American city.
I'm not advocating for any white guilt. It embarrasses me, however, that we have states and people in those states that think it's appropriate to celebrate the lives of "heroes" that were traitors to the United States.I was born and for a time lived in the most segregated city in the U.S., Chicago. Dixie up north. Preach on concerning the righteousness of the Yanks. The North was signing the Irish & Scots up as they stepped off the boats. The North was victorious due in large part because of the Irish and Scots!
When I was transferred to NC., I became aware of the South's history & contribution to our American Revolution and the sadness of the War between the States. Brother against brother, family against family. For what? Nothing has changed, in fact, I believe things have gotten worse. I have no "white guilt," my parents taught me to judge people on their actions.
History cannot be changed, it happened. And Chicago's still the most segregated American city.
