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OT: Playoff Format

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Curious as to how you all feel about the current 12 team playoff format now that it's a reality?

Personally I'm not a Big fan of the expanded playoff but it's here to stay so..

One major aspect I don't care for is the top 4 conference champs getting the first round bye. Should be the top 4 teams by ranking. The conference champs can still get an automatic bid if that's how they want to do it but the 4 Best teams should receive the byes. Then the rest are seeded according to ranking as well.

Another change I would like to see is after the first round games are played, they should reseed the four teams that advanced so the Number 1 seed would get to play the lowest ranked team left and so on. Then reseeded again for the semis. The best teams should be rewarded as such throughout the playoffs.

Just my thoughts. What do you all think?
 
Curious as to how you all feel about the current 12 team playoff format now that it's a reality?

Personally I'm not a Big fan of the expanded playoff but it's here to stay so..

One major aspect I don't care for is the top 4 conference champs getting the first round bye. Should be the top 4 teams by ranking. The conference champs can still get an automatic bid if that's how they want to do it but the 4 Best teams should receive the byes. Then the rest are seeded according to ranking as well.

Another change I would like to see is after the first round games are played, they should reseed the four teams that advanced so the Number 1 seed would get to play the lowest ranked team left and so on. Then reseeded again for the semis. The best teams should be rewarded as such throughout the playoffs.

Just my thoughts. What do you all think?
Fundamentally, I like the bye for conference Champs. The problem is that the conferences are now far from balanced. If ASU and Boise were in the BIG or SEC, they wouldn't even make the playoffs, let alone be #3 or #4 seeds.

You can't take the top teams out of a conference and expect the old rules to apply. There are conference imbalances in pro sports that generally work themselves out. I dont think the differences in CFB can ever be worked out.
 
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12 team Playoffs are bloody brilliant and the rating/revenue/gambling money will more than prove that out. Even the selection special was almost must see tv. There is some tweaking to do with the selection process and seeding for sure, but the playoff finally brings college football into the modern age of sports. Finally.
 
I love the expanded playoff, but agree on the bye / seeding. 8 or 16 would have made more sense to avoid that, but agree if you’re going to do byes, it should be the top 4 ranked teams.
 
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Agree, the 4 highest ranked teams should get the byes.

And how did SMU get seeded higher than Clemson, 12 hours after losing to Clemson?
 
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Every game should be a home game on campus, minus the championship game. F*ck all these other bowl games that get spots in the playoff. They mean absolutely nothing now
 
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12 team Playoffs are bloody brilliant and the rating/revenue/gambling money will more than prove that out. Even the selection special was almost must see tv. There is some tweaking to do with the selection process and seeding for sure, but the playoff finally brings college football into the modern age of sports. Finally.
Last year's BCS system would have yielded us: (AP) Oregon v. Texas, and Georgia v. Notre Dame.

No OSU, No PSU, No Clemson, No Tennessee, No SMU, No Indiana, No Arizona State, No Boise State

Other than OSU, does there really look like any of these other 7 could run the table and win it all?
 
Curious as to how you all feel about the current 12 team playoff format now that it's a reality?

Personally I'm not a Big fan of the expanded playoff but it's here to stay so..

One major aspect I don't care for is the top 4 conference champs getting the first round bye. Should be the top 4 teams by ranking. The conference champs can still get an automatic bid if that's how they want to do it but the 4 Best teams should receive the byes. Then the rest are seeded according to ranking as well.

Another change I would like to see is after the first round games are played, they should reseed the four teams that advanced so the Number 1 seed would get to play the lowest ranked team left and so on. Then reseeded again for the semis. The best teams should be rewarded as such throughout the playoffs.

Just my thoughts. What do you all think?
I think they didn't want SEC teams and maybe Big Ten teams getting all the byes. I'm OK with the current system but think they should consider going to 16 and just guarantee so many conference winners a slot but then seed by ranking only. That way you have no byes and are not potentially giving out all the byes to one or two conferences. The other problem with seeding by ranking only now is ND could play two less games than most teams, skipping a CCG and the first round.
 
Theoretically the format actually is ok, but the problem is the ACC and Big 12 suck.
No one would be complaining if a 12-1 stout Miami or Clemson, or a nasty 13-0 Utah team were the other 2 byes. But, sadly it is imbalanced because the best teams are in 2 conferences. So, with that, they should have re-seeding since Boise and other schools don’t even deserve byes or auto bids.
I’d be ok with just taking the top 12 by ranking and the top 4 have the byes.
 
Every game should be a home game on campus, minus the championship game. F*ck all these other bowl games that get spots in the playoff. They mean absolutely nothing now
Players enjoy going to these bowl sites where there is better weather not to mention the fans of these programs..
It will be a fun CFP.

I suggest just you watch the NFL if you like their floor mate better..
 
Players enjoy going to these bowl sites where there is better weather not to mention the fans of these programs..
It will be a fun CFP.

I suggest just you watch the NFL if you like their floor mate better..
I think it will be unsustainable long term.

#1 - being the overall 1 seed needs to mean something. Home games until the championship guarantees that.

#2 - I think they will have a tough time long term filling up all these neutral site games. How many fans can afford 3 consecutive neutral site games?

In addition to the NFL, South Dakota State (don’t remember technical division name), does home games until championship and then a neutral site championship.
 
I think it will be unsustainable long term.

#1 - being the overall 1 seed needs to mean something. Home games until the championship guarantees that.

#2 - I think they will have a tough time long term filling up all these neutral site games. How many fans can afford 3 consecutive neutral site games?

In addition to the NFL, South Dakota State (don’t remember technical division name), does home games until championship and then a neutral site championship.
FBS,
True not every fan base can make and afford all three, but making it to two is very doable not to mention other college football fans wouldn’t mind attending some of the semifinals games…

Most years there won’t be I have a lot of difference between a number one and number two teams.
 
I think they didn't want SEC teams and maybe Big Ten teams getting all the byes. I'm OK with the current system but think they should consider going to 16 and just guarantee so many conference winners a slot but then seed by ranking only. That way you have no byes and are not potentially giving out all the byes to one or two conferences. The other problem with seeding by ranking only now is ND could play two less games than most teams, skipping a CCG and the first round.
The only problem I have is any 5 conference champs are in . I know the big 12 /ACC wasn’t necessarily the best this year . But their conference champs has to be in every year over a Bosie and or an Army / Tulane. And those conferences absolutely don’t deserve a bye under any circumstances. I agree on the ND comment about the rankings seeding.
 
Make it 16
All on higher seed campus until the championship game
Keep it the way it is except top 4 teams regardless of CCG winners.
Final 8 at bowl sites just like it is now..

This isn’t the FBS where people wouldn’t travel for those games of 16,8, and 4 except the championship game.
 
Keep it the way it is except top 4 teams regardless of CCG winners.
Final 8 at bowl sites just like it is now..

This isn’t the FBS where people wouldn’t travel for those games of 16,8, and 4 except the championship game.
I agree on some points. The 12 teams I like . The only thing is it should be P4 champs with byes . Boise doesn’t deserve a bye no G5 does . I honestly think why they put CC with byes is to assure Notre Dame would never get a bye . I am fine with that .
 
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I appreciate those who take the stance of "just use the rankings", but a major problem I have is the rankings being veiled in secrecy and laden with subjectivity. If the rankings were by objective metrics and not seeming like decisions need to be repeatedly justified by determining sometimes one thing matters to the committee more than others but other times they don't, I would be okay with saying "just use the rankings."

The controversy also adds to intrigue and conversation, which leads to viewership and advertising dollars. There is an economic interest in perpetuating uncertainty and subjectivity.

Understanding that as a primary constraint or driver (depending on your perspective), I think the way the system currently is arranged where the top four conference champions receive byes as a prudent approach. I agree, it sucks there is an imbalance in conference strength, but it provides guardrails against what I feel happened often in the BCS and four-team playoff era where the metrics, polls, or committee would be setup to make sure the non-power conference members would fall just outside the main event(s). How many times did a Boise State, TCU, or Utah fall just outside the BCS title game or four-team CFP? Obviously two of those teams have moved to power conferences, but the current format prevents them from being locked out of the playoff and the byes.

I also carry the opinion there is not enough diversity in interconference matchups strictly due to the number of teams against the number of regular season games to make strict judgments for precise seeding; obviously knowing the implications of getting a bye or a home game are large, that makes the subjectivity much more frustrating, but I appreciate the structure/constraints the current format (specifically top four conference champs getting a bye) provides amidst all the other subjectivity.

The current format with automatic qualifying for the top five conference champs and byes for the top four also adds much more interest and intrigue to way more late regular season and CCG matchups which in the past had very little interest. That makes it better for fans... and better for advertisers.

To that end, I agree re-seeding after the first round should occur, but it does add challenges to the risk/uncertainty in quarterfinal travel destinations for first-round winners. But most revenue the NCAA/CFP/etc. care about is the TV/streaming ad revenue potential anyway.

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What I would like to see is an objective ranking system similar to NCAA hockey. While there is a committee, the 16-team field is set strictly by the PairWise rankings. Qualifiers are the six conference champions plus ten at-large spots (the ten highest-ranked non-conference champions in PairWise). Then teams are placed on seed lines 1 through 4. The committee's job is then only to create regional assignments within a set of constraints such as if a team is officially the host of a regional site, they are placed in that regional; two teams from the same conference can't be placed in the same regional unless five teams from that conference qualify.

The PairWise for hockey has three components:
*1. RPI
2. Record Against Common Opponents
3. Head to Head

* RPI is the one which gets tweaked occasionally over the years, like how home/away gets weighted, throwing out wins which hurt your value, weighting of own record vs. opp. record vs. opp.'s opp. record, but it's established before the season, not adjusted during the season.

This is evaluated for a team against each other team in the group to be compared, and the number of comparisons "won" is the value used to rank the teams in more of an objective standings fashion than subjective ranking. If two teams have won the same number of comparisons, the tiebreaker is RPI. Here's a longer explanation:


The way I could see that applied for the CFP is...
1. Take your qualifications to set the field: top five conference champions in the rankings, next seven non-champions.
2. Bin the qualifiers into groups:
- 4 Byes: top four champions
- 4 Hosts: top four remaining non-byes, indiscriminate of conference champion status
- 4 Travelers: last four qualifiers
3. Once you've "binned" the teams, deviate from strict seeding assignment by rankings only to prevent the following:
- First round in-conference matchups.
- Quarterfinal rematches from the regular season or CCG.

I'm mostly about getting a diversity in matchups because of the relatively small sample size of matchups from the first 12-13 games among 134 FBS teams (and add in many of those teams play a non-FBS opponent among those 12-13 games).

Of course, this leads to less perpetual controversy from projecting how the committee will view something, so it won't happen.
 
I agree on some points. The 12 teams I like . The only thing is it should be P4 champs with byes . Boise doesn’t deserve a bye no G5 does . I honestly think why they put CC with byes is to assure Notre Dame would never get a bye . I am fine with that .
Agree with that.
Notre Dame shouldn’t get a bye because of not wanting to be in a conference..
 
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