OT:Officer freed from prision after 23 years, convicted of sexual assault

[newAD]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/cour...t-21-years-prison-rape-found-guilty-new-trial

Just posting this because this subject tends to come up every once in a while, like the Minnesota case. Just again pointing out that sexual assault cases can be difficult in so many ways. This guy lost 23 years of his life, just on the word of the victim.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

And there are infinitely more women who were assaulted that never report.

Neither is optimal

 

[NikkiSixx]

and it's way too easy for a woman to lie and ruin a man's life

 

[TheBeav815]

Yes, we simply must eliminate the scourge of the occasional person who lies about being the victim of a crime from the world........

 

[Reedm]

and it's way too easy for a woman to lie and ruin a man's life

You clearly have no idea of the trauma inflicted by a sexual assault on the victim and the very serious lasting damage it does. One of the hardest things for the victim to do is come forward, nothing easy about it all and it's no wonder read the 3rd paragraph of the linked article 1,000 cases of sexual assault reported since 2010 at the UofM and not 1 prosecution let alone conviction until this case. So who's lives are being ruined?
http://www.startribune.com/after-au...e-her-rapist-u-student-fought-back/398051931/

 

[newAD]

Not trying to start a fight on this. Unfortunately this is a topic that you have to talk to your loved one's about, especially daughters. If you feel you are a victim, the sooner reported the better the chances. Even waiting to get to the hospital is potentially too late.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You clearly have no idea of the trauma inflicted by a sexual assault on the victim and the very serious lasting damage it does. One of the hardest things for the victim to do is come forward, nothing easy about it all and it's no wonder read the 3rd paragraph of the linked article 1,000 cases of sexual assault reported since 2010 at the UofM and not 1 prosecution let alone conviction until this case. So who's lives are being ruined?
http://www.startribune.com/after-au...e-her-rapist-u-student-fought-back/398051931/

I don't have a beef with you and I could not care less about your article. It is true however that a woman, with a single lie, can ruin a man's life. The "system" needs to start treating both parties equally and fairly. Ask that KU basketball player what his outcome would have been had there not been cctv footage of the woman's assault where she lied about what happened.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I don't have a beef with you and I could not care less about your article. It is true however that a woman, with a single lie, can ruin a man's life. The "system" needs to start treating both parties equally and fairly. Ask that KU basketball player what his outcome would have been had there not been cctv footage of the woman's assault where she lied about what happened.

I would bet just about every rapist told the police they didn't do it. Is that lie somehow different?

 

[NikkiSixx]

I would bet just about every rapist told the police they didn't do it. Is that lie somehow different?

That doesn't mean anything. A person should have to be proven guilty. So, it's not about the lie, it's the effect that lie has and the burden of proof.

 

[Reedm]

I don't have a beef with you and I could not care less about your article. It is true however that a woman, with a single lie, can ruin a man's life. The "system" needs to start treating both parties equally and fairly. Ask that KU basketball player what his outcome would have been had there not been cctv footage of the woman's assault where she lied about what happened.

We need to f'n read the article the point of it is at the U of MN 1,000 case of sexual assault were reported since 2010 and they didn't even get one single case to prosecution until they got a confession this fall, NOT ONE even prosecuted let alone convicted! That's 1,000 ruined lives and that fact that you couldn't care less about that fact and instead are worried about girls lying tells me all I need to know about you. BTW just a guess but you don't have a wife, girlfriend or daughter do you?

 

[NikkiSixx]

We need to f'n read the article the point of it is at the U of MN 1,000 case of sexual assault were reported since 2010 and they didn't even get one single case to prosecution until they got a confession this fall, NOT ONE even prosecuted let alone convicted! That's 1,000 ruined lives and that fact that you couldn't care less about that fact and instead are worried about girls lying tells me all I need to know about you. BTW just a guess but you don't have a wife, girlfriend or daughter do you?

Hey, get a grip. This thread is not about your article, it's about the officer that spent 21 years in jail because of being falsely accused of sexual assault.

You might want to listen to some others talk about the subject than berate me.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

That doesn't mean anything. A person should have to be proven guilty. So, it's not about the lie, it's the effect that lie has and the burden of proof.

In almost every accusation there is a lie being told. You are just choosing to pick the Outlier exception rather than the rule.

I stand by my comments that there are infinitely more women that are sexually assaulted that will go unreported than men who have been falsely accused.

Again neither is optimal.

 

[NikkiSixx]

In almost every accusation there is a lie being told. You are just choosing to pick the Outlier exception rather than the rule.

I stand by my comments that there are infinitely more women that are sexually assaulted that will go unreported than men who have been falsely accused.

Again neither is optimal.

I think it's the other way around. The real rape is the outlier.. the false accusation is more the norm. That may be difficult to hear, but I think that ratio is more likely the truth. There is a lot of stuff one can research about it, and no need to get into an argument here.

 

[HuskerNorm]

Many woman are sexually assaulted and it isn't reported. Many men are falsely accused of sexual assault. Both situations are horrible and you can dislike both things without arguing about it.

People tend to forget that false accusations of sexual assault hurt not only the men falsely accused but also all the women who were actually sexually assaulted. False accusations make the real accusations less believable.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

I think it's the other way around. The real rape is the outlier.. the false accusation is more the norm. That may be difficult to hear, but I think that ratio is more likely the truth. There is a lot of stuff one can research about it, and no need to get into an argument here.

What an a$$hole.

 

[TheBeav815]

I think it's the other way around. The real rape is the outlier.. the false accusation is more the norm. That may be difficult to hear, but I think that ratio is more likely the truth. There is a lot of stuff one can research about it, and no need to get into an argument here.

I have never encountered any evidence to suggest that to be the case. I would challenge all of us to do this:

Ask every guy who is willing to talk about it to detail for you every time a woman falsely accused him of sexually attacking her.

Then ask every woman about every time she was fondled, ass-slapped, had her breasts groped, a guy kissed or tried to kiss her, or worse...against her will. And that's just the physical stuff. They get filthy things said to them by men they want nothing to do with so often that they don't even bother with discussing it.

It's a conversation we as men all need to have with anyone brave enough to tell us. What's going to make you sick to your stomach is how normal it is for women. It happens to them constantly. There are dudes out there who treat them like their body is fair game for men to touch and do with as we please and they should have no right to take exception.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I have never encountered any evidence to suggest that to be the case. I would challenge all of us to do this:

Ask every guy who is willing to talk about it to detail for you every time a woman falsely accused him of sexually attacking her.

Then ask every woman about every time she was fondled, ass-slapped, had her breasts groped, a guy kissed or tried to kiss her, or worse...against her will. And that's just the physical stuff. They get filthy things said to them by men they want nothing to do with so often that they don't even bother with discussing it.

It's a conversation we as men all need to have with anyone brave enough to tell us. What's going to make you sick to your stomach is how normal it is for women. It happens to them constantly. There are dudes out there who treat them like their body is fair game for men to touch and do with as we please and they should have no right to take exception.

Rape is about power, it's not about sex or groping.

The stuff you are talking about is indeed offensive and men are behaving poorly when doing that, but that is not called rape.

If there were indeed thousands and thousands of real rapes at Universities, women would not even attend. Women talk to one another. If there was really this brutal rape culture, I don't think a single woman would even go to a school like that.

I am positive real ones happen, just not in the numbers that the media or others would have you believe.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Rape is one form of sexual assault.

The word rape was used only one time by me and that was to counter your comment about lying. When I said I am sure every rapist said he didn't do it.

You are now separating rape from the 1000s of sexual assaults that were referenced in a post. That was not the conversation.

 

[Huskerk19]

Rape is a serious and often life changing event for a woman who is raped. I do not condone rape in any way shape or form. However I have personally seen a relative charged with rape because the woman he was with got mad at him and cried rape to get even. 2 weeks in jail and 10 grand later he was exonerated of all charges because his attorney was able to prove it was a false accusation, one that this woman had made twice before on other men. he did not get his 2 weeks of life back or his 10 grand in attorney fees, she got a small fine for filing a false police report. rape is a terrible crime but they better be able to prove it without any doubt if I ever end up on a jury.

 

[Reedm]

I think it's the other way around. The real rape is the outlier.. the false accusation is more the norm. That may be difficult to hear, but I think that ratio is more likely the truth. There is a lot of stuff one can research about it, and no need to get into an argument here.

You have to be the most idiotic AHole poster this board has ever seen, I suggest you get some professional help or at least take in one of Brenda Tracy's speeches. But please just stop spewing your opinion as if it's fact when the true facts are the exact opposite of your ridiculous opinion.

 

[suhnami]

And there are infinitely more women who were assaulted that never report.

Neither is optimal

Completely irrelevant to the OP.

 

[suhnami]

I would bet just about every rapist told the police they didn't do it. Is that lie somehow different?

If you can't see the difference between a guilty person lying to get out of jail vs a person lying to put an innocent person in jail please stop contaminating the gene pool

 

[SantaBarbaraSker]

What an a$$hole.

Why…He has a belief, he made a statement, that makes him an asshole?

 

[suhnami]

You have to be the most idiotic AHole poster this board has ever seen, I suggest you get some professional help or at least take in one of Brenda Tracy's speeches. But please just stop spewing your opinion as if it's fact when the true facts are the exact opposite of your ridiculous opinion.

You and Beav read the infamous Rolling Stone article and said, "I knew it! I knew it all along!"

 

[suhnami]

I have never encountered any evidence to suggest that to be the case. I would challenge all of us to do this:

Ask every guy who is willing to talk about it to detail for you every time a woman falsely accused him of sexually attacking her.

Then ask every woman about every time she was fondled, ass-slapped, had her breasts groped, a guy kissed or tried to kiss her, or worse...against her will. And that's just the physical stuff. They get filthy things said to them by men they want nothing to do with so often that they don't even bother with discussing it.

It's a conversation we as men all need to have with anyone brave enough to tell us. What's going to make you sick to your stomach is how normal it is for women. It happens to them constantly. There are dudes out there who treat them like their body is fair game for men to touch and do with as we please and they should have no right to take exception.

You lived in a frat in college right? So you must have been witnessing rapes pretty much daily then right?

 

[GammaxuvirHusker]

You have to be the most idiotic AHole poster this board has ever seen, I suggest you get some professional help or at least take in one of Brenda Tracy's speeches. But please just stop spewing your opinion as if it's fact when the true facts are the exact opposite of your ridiculous opinion.

Stating an unverifiable opinion as fact to counter what you claim is opinion, not fact. Interesting.

I have a suggestion for you... please feel free to take your liberal SJW crap elsewhere. Safe space.com or safetypinwarriors.org seem like they're right up your alley. This is a football board.

 

[Enrozes]

Stating an unverifiable opinion as fact to counter what you claim is opinion, not fact. Interesting.

I have a suggestion for you... please feel free to take your liberal SJW crap elsewhere. Safe space.com or safetypinwarriors.org seem like they're right up your alley. This is a football board.

Yeah! This is a football board, and only staunch conservatives like football! True football fans know that it's false accusations of rape that are a scourge on society, not actual rapists.

 

[HuskerNorm]

Yeah! This is a football board, and only staunch conservatives like football! True football fans know that it's false accusations of rape that are a scourge on society, not actual rapists.

It's actually both. I don't see why people can't understand that.

 

[Enrozes]

It's actually both. I don't see why people can't understand that.

Clearly both are bad. I don't agree that they are equally problematic.

 

[Reedm]

Stating an unverifiable opinion as fact to counter what you claim is opinion, not fact. Interesting.

I have a suggestion for you... please feel free to take your liberal SJW crap elsewhere. Safe space.com or safetypinwarriors.org seem like they're right up your alley. This is a football board.

I'm far from a liberal and live in the Twin Cities and have a daughter that's a senior in college based on the horrible track record the UofM has protecting women on their campus I didn't allow my daughter to even consider UofM as an option 4 years ago when she was looking for a school. As for facts vs opinion you didn't read the article Iinked, it states the facts not one prosecution in 1,000 reported cases since 2010 until this fall and read the article to see what they had to go thru to get the one it's disgusting and if you think the lives of those 1,000 young women have not be ruined in some fashion your just plain stupid.

 

[Reedm]

You and Beav read the infamous Rolling Stone article and said, "I knew it! I knew it all along!"

Yep one reported false case makes all the others false too. And I'm speaking particularly about the UofM and if you think the 1,000 cases they've had reported since 2010 are all false or even 10% are false you've got your head buried in the sand or somewhere else.

 

[Reedm]

You lived in a frat in college right? So you must have been witnessing rapes pretty much daily then right?

Well considering the fact that the 1 convicted rapist on the UofM campus had his frat bros call the girl he raped, record the call and get her to say things that made it sound like he must have thought it was consensual then edited that call recording and handed it over to the police to get his initial charges dropped I'm not sure the frats boys are a good example at least at UofM of good stand up young men.

 

[HuskerNorm]

Well considering the fact that the 1 convicted rapist on the UofM campus had his frat bros call the girl he raped, record the call and get her to say things that made it sound like he must have thought it was consensual then edited that call recording and handed it over to the police to get his initial charges dropped I'm not sure the frats boys are a good example at least at UofM of good stand up young men.

Gotta love stereotypes of entire groups of people (UofM fraternities) based on the heinous criminal actions of 3 people in the group... Sort of similar to if someone said all women who report rapes are making it up because some of them have made up allegations in the past. That would also be a stupid, inaccurate stereotype.

 

[Reedm]

Gotta love stereotypes of entire groups of people (UofM fraternities) based on the heinous criminal actions of 3 people in the group... Sort of similar to if someone said all women who report rapes are making it up because some of them have made up allegations in the past. That would also be a stupid, inaccurate stereotype.

I actually agree with you but I'm telling you living in the Twin Cities this problem has been snowballing for several years and at this point I don't have much tolerance for those that throw the victims under the bus. There is simply no way the majority of these cases are false accusations as has been suggested on the thread.

 

[newAD]

Yep one reported false case makes all the others false too. And I'm speaking particularly about the UofM and if you think the 1,000 cases they've had reported since 2010 are all false or even 10% are false you've got your head buried in the sand or somewhere else.

You note a 1000 cases. I don't think these are all 'date rape' type incidents, or even rape (or as it's called in Nebraska 1st degree sexual assault). If there were 1000 alleged 1st degree sexual assaults in 5 years on that campus, I don't know how any female student would go there. I started scanning all of their statistics at U of M and they don't have that many 'rapes" for 2016, but those stats are probably limited to just ones reported to U of M police.

It does baffle me how a place as liberal as the twin cities, has zero convictions over 1000 cases, regardless what type of sexual assault we are dealing with.

I do question that 1000 number if the claim is that was truly the amount of forcible sexual assaults due to this:

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-overreporting-rape-statistics/196794231/

I can't speak for the Twin Cities, but I have many co-worker friends who have spent years in the Special Victim's Unit, and the amount of "accusations" of 'date rape' that end up being false is unfortunately pretty high. I'd say 10% would be low, just based on my experience. People don't want to hear it, but that is my experience, and I've responded to probably hundreds of calls at hospital emergency rooms for alleged sexual assaults.

The cases of a serial rapist (where it is a true 'who done it'), thank goodness those are pretty low, and are almost always legit.

The 'groping' cases. I'd tend to believe the accuser, because they usually react immediately and emotionally. But again, the problem is proving it and a lot of times just identifying the suspect.

JMHO, (and I have a daughter) regarding the 'date rape' incidents, young girls need to be taught at an early age, report immediately. Don't go home. Don't go shower. Don't call friends first. Call 911 ASAP. The more time that goes by, the harder it will be to prove.

Again, not trying to pick a fight. These cases are difficult for many reasons. There are basically 3 crime scenes. The bodies of each person, and then the location of the event. Time is the enemy to preserving all 3.