Yeah yeah yeah, we've all heard it and are bored to death etc etc.
I'm genuinely asking a very simple question: why are both of you publicly defending the Proud Boys organization, a well-known and well-defined white supremacist organization? What's your thinking, here? I mean, I would imagine it would just be a lot easier to say, "yup, Trump really screwed up on that one", but instead you're here defending white supremacists (or defending someone who is defending white supremacists, in the latter case), which makes everyone on the right look bad by association. Why die on that particular hill?