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dinglefritz

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I asked before but maybe I missed it what's the acceptable rate of death or disablement in animals for vaccines? How abt humans?
I think you should do some research in to that. You might be surprised at how low the tolerance is for death or even unfavorable reactions in animals to vaccination. There's a government data base for unfavorable incidents post vaccination and IF there are deaths a vaccine may be pulled from the market.

Believe it or not, manufacturers of animal health products get sued too. They have to go through very similar processes to get vaccines approved like their human counterparts. Obviously it's much easier to get vaccine trial subjects to be subjected to exposure to virulent organisms after vaccination with an experimental vaccine for animals. A number of years ago one vaccine company had to write hundreds of VERY large checks to cattle producers who had used one of their vaccines that had been contaminated with a live virulent virus. The use of mrna as the antigen for a vaccine eliminates that potential for inclusion of a wild virulent virus in a vaccine.
 
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I have ZERO doubt that this calamity was caused by an (accidental probably) escape of a Corona virus in that lab in Wuhan. The "experts" who said there was no way this was a lab developed virus were talking out of their ass. The WHO and the U.S. has known that China has been "studying" Corona viruses in that lab since the first SARS outbreak there. The wild insistance that COVID somehow miraculously all on it's own made the jump from animals to humans causing a pandemic was just ludicrous.

I read another story on Reuters recently that said that it was likely that the first cases were in workers from that lab who were sick back in August a year and a half ago. The Chinese are without a doubt responsible for the millions of deaths around the world from this thing.

and yet the world does nothing.... that is what pisses me off the most about this, no demand for changes in China’s public health policy, no demand for monetary damages.... ugh
 

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I kind of have problem with this. First of all, if the protein strain is synthetic, arent you a little bit suspect of whether its an exact recreation of the protein spike on the virus? And if it isnt, could there be some potential downsides to that? More importantly though, our immune system doesn't just experience that single protein when exposed naturally, it gets the whole virus and it isnt just our body that adapts but also the virus. There is a sort of symbiotic relationship that forms between the 2 in a normal setting, but this appoach seems like it would disallow that from happening.
With the genetic mapping they're able to do now there is zero doubt that they have the right recreation of the protein they're duplicating. I understand the concern by people who don't understand the science behind the process of making a vaccine but it's unfounded. They are not giving live virus. Believe me, this is a HUGE advance in vaccine production. This is so much safer than historical manufacturing of vaccines.

There might be some validity to the idea that giving whole virus might produce a wider immune response. It also makes it more likely that people will have unfavorable reactions to antigens which have little or nothing to do with producing immunity to the specific virus we want to protect against. The more protein you expose a person to, the larger the chance for reactions. With the genetic mapping they can do now, they can determine which proteins give the virus it's pathogenicity and there's no need to dump in the whole virus to the vaccine.

People get their panties in the wad because we're injecting "genetic material". Well in the past we were injecting the whole damned genome of a virus or bacteria. We've been fed too many scifi movies over the years. The conspiracy theories need to stop. Thousands of people will die due to the misinformation being spewed by people with agendas. I understand it's difficult for people with limited knowledge of the processes to accept something this new but man it's a Godsend.
 
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I think you should do some research in to that. You might be surprised at how low the tolerance is for death or even unfavorable reactions in animals to vaccination. There's a government data base for unfavorable incidents post vaccination and IF there are deaths a vaccine may be pulled from the market.

Believe it or not, manufacturers of animal health products get sued too. They have to go through very similar processes to get vaccines approved like their human counterparts. Obviously it's much easier to get vaccine trial subjects to be subjected to exposure to virulent organisms after vaccination with an experimental vaccine for animals. A number of years ago one vaccine company had to write hundreds of VERY large checks to cattle producers who had used one of their vaccines that had been contaminated with a live virulent virus. The use of mrna as the antigen for a vaccine eliminates that potential for inclusion of a wild virulent virus in a vaccine.
So you don't know. Ok thx.
 

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So you don't know. Ok thx.
I know more than you can imagine about the tolerance for adverse vaccine reactions in animals. A vaccine for animals that elicits any deaths or serious illness in trials would never reach the market. Geezus. What is your problem? If you want to get rid of any reason for knuckleheads to shut down businesses and impose ridiculous measures we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible ASAP. This isn't a political debate. We given millions of doses already in this country. If the vaccine wasn't working or if there were major safety issues we would know it by now. This isn't China. The government can't stop Dr.s from publicly reporting problems they experience in their practice. We've given roughly 30,000 doses in my area. My spouse is in regular contact with Dr.s from all over the area. The most they've seen is a sore arm and a little lethargy for 48 hours or less.
 
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With the genetic mapping they're able to do now there is zero doubt that they have the right recreation of the protein they're duplicating. I understand the concern by people who don't understand the science behind the process of making a vaccine but it's unfounded. They are not giving live virus. Believe me, this is a HUGE advance in vaccine production. This is so much safer than historical manufacturing of vaccines.

There might be some validity to the idea that giving whole virus might produce a wider immune response. It also makes it more likely that people will have unfavorable reactions to antigens which have little or nothing to do with producing immunity to the specific virus we want to protect against. The more protein you expose a person to, the larger the chance for reactions. With the genetic mapping they can do now, they can determine which proteins give the virus it's pathogenicity and there's no need to dump in the whole virus to the vaccine.

People get their panties in the wad because we're injecting "genetic material". Well in the past we were injecting the whole damned genome of a virus or bacteria. We've been fed too many scifi movies over the years. The conspiracy theories need to stop. Thousands of people will die due to the misinformation being spewed by people with agendas. I understand it's difficult for people with limited knowledge of the processes to accept something this new but man it's a Godsend.
I dont get too worked up over the idea of injecting genetic material. That happens naturally via infection anyway. Supposedly our genetic code is 10% alien DNA anyway and it doesn't seem to be making us much worse off. I get more concerned with the adjuvant used for vaccines, but even that doesn't seem to be such a big deal.
 

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I know more than you can imagine about the tolerance for adverse vaccine reactions in animals.

Ok, so answer the question.

A vaccine for animals that elicits any deaths or serious illness in trials would never reach the market. Geezus. What is your problem?

Yeah, I have a problem, because I asked a question. :rolleyes: Now you owe me a mango margarita.

If you want to get rid of any reason for knuckleheads to shut down businesses and impose ridiculous measures we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible ASAP. This isn't a political debate.
Have you been drinking? There wasn't one political comment in this. And we shouldn't be held hostage by vaccinations.

We given millions of doses already in this country. If the vaccine wasn't working or if there were major safety issues we would know it by now. This isn't China. The government can't stop Dr.s from publicly reporting problems they experience in their practice. We've given roughly 30,000 doses in my area. My spouse is in regular contact with Dr.s from all over the area. The most they've seen is a sore arm and a little lethargy for 48 hours or less.
I don't need an update, I asked you a question. If you don't know or don't care to share that's fine. I thought you'd know. Maybe you don't. Just say that. Are you willing to bet the allowance for instances of disability or death in animals is higher in animals than it is in humans?
 
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Do you have numbers for that? In Nebraska we are barely administering 1/2 of what the state has been given and that gap grows every day. Seems we are spending more energy deciding who gets it than just getting it done.
Lancaster is slow plus should be about out of the vaccine. They did 2400 health care people yesterday. Before they said they still had 6000 people in group 1A and only had a little over 3000 doses left. Only getting 3900 a week. I got lucky get mine first shot Wed through the VA.
 

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Ok, so answer the question.



Yeah, I have a problem, because I asked a question. :rolleyes: Now you owe me a mango margarita.


Have you been drinking? There wasn't one political comment in this. And we shouldn't be held hostage by vaccinations.


I don't need an update, I asked you a question. If you don't know or don't care to share that's fine. I thought you'd know. Maybe you don't. Just say that. Are you willing to bet the allowance for instances of disability or death in animals is higher in animals than it is in humans?
there is a risk of death from any vaccine whether it be animals or humans. Read some labels. No doubt any deaths that could have been directly attributed to the vaccine in the human trials done on Pfizer's and Moderna's vaccines would have stopped the trials. I've read a LOT of vaccine trial results for both humans and animals. I've never seen a single vaccine approved in any species where death or permanent disability were caused by a vaccine in a trial. In roughly 25-30,000 doses for each COVID vaccine and then the boosters for those first doses there were no deaths or premanent disabilities.

I believe the comments about vaccine requirements being a slippery slope and equating them to something China would do can only be interpreted as a political comment.

I wasn't drinking before but am now. Stawberry lime Jose Cuervo ready to serve. Tasty. Have to get my Vitamin C somewhere. Winking
 

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My 93 year old father just had his taken at the VA...
Thank God for the VA giving Covid shots, hard telling when the general public will be getting vaccinated for someone like him at his age..
 
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Had my first dose Thursday. Our county held a vaccination clinic at the country fairground Thur and Fri for any K-12 public school employee and other misc folks (not sure who - I think it's for those who work in country offices that have to deal with the public.) Had to fill out numerous forms in advance. Public health held the clinic and it was incredibly organized and efficient.

Talked to my family in Omaha - family member who lives in a nursing home did receive a vaccine but parents in a senior complex are still waiting for Walgreens or whoever to come in and vaccinate those who want the vaccine.

I received the Moderna vaccine - hurt about the same as a flu shot but arm soreness developed sooner and was a bit more intense than that with a flu shot. Soreness was gone by Sat afternoon.
 

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Two of my daughters got their first dose yesterday. One is an undergrad in Lincoln but works part-time in a clinical setting, the other is in med school out of state. Both complained of headache, fever, muscle aches and a sore arm. The one in med school had covid back in October, but they still recommended that she get the vaccination. Not sure how that makes sense, especially if they are trying to vaccinate as many people as possible.
It doesn't make sense. Ironically the younger people seem to have more severe reactions to the vaccine. Either that or that just not as tough as their old man.
 

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Had my first dose Thursday. Our county held a vaccination clinic at the country fairground Thur and Fri for any K-12 public school employee and other misc folks (not sure who - I think it's for those who work in country offices that have to deal with the public.) Had to fill out numerous forms in advance. Public health held the clinic and it was incredibly organized and efficient.

Talked to my family in Omaha - family member who lives in a nursing home did receive a vaccine but parents in a senior complex are still waiting for Walgreens or whoever to come in and vaccinate those who want the vaccine.

I received the Moderna vaccine - hurt about the same as a flu shot but arm soreness developed sooner and was a bit more intense than that with a flu shot. Soreness was gone by Sat afternoon.
The pharmacy administration of this vaccine is one of the DUMBEST damned things I've seen EVER.
 

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Getting my 2nd dose of the Moderna vaccine next week. When selecting a time slot our internal email stated to preferably get it at the end of the day on your last day of work for the week. Leads me to think it might knock you on your ass.
My wife had hers and got on a plane for Boston the next morning. No issues at all.
 

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So @dinglefritz how much polyethylene glycol is good for your body?
I can't answer a question that has no known answer. Polyethylene glycol is an inert substance that has an EXTREMELY low level of toxicity. You drink the stuff in many preparations. People prepping for a colonoscopy might drink a gallon of solution with PEG to soften the stool.

Some of the studies fueling anti-vaxxer fears of PEG were done by injecting a large amount of PEG directly in to the the peritoneum of mice. 50% of those mice developing peritonitis. Duh. IF you stick a needle in to the bellies of 10 lab mice and inject nothing there's a good chance that 5 of them will get peritonitis without giving them prophylactic antibiotics. All of the hits from Google I show fearing PEG are "natural" or "health" websites. Find something else to stir anti-vaccine hysteria.
 
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As you may know I made a couple of posts about the Covid vaccine while it was being developed. Well I'm happy to report that I was able to get my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine today. Really thrilled and enthusiastic about being able to do that. Feels like freedom is coming in about 5 weeks or so when I should have achieved full immunity.
Just got my second dose of Pfizer yesterday (Feb. 4) and feeling fine.
 

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Just got my second dose of Pfizer yesterday (Feb. 4) and feeling fine.
Glad to hear that. My 80 year old father and I got our Pfizer jabs a week ago at the VA. Neither of us experienced any negative side effect(s). Looking forward to getting second in 2 weeks.
 

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I can't answer a question that has no known answer. Polyethylene glycol is an inert substance that has an EXTREMELY low level of toxicity. You drink the stuff in many preparations. People prepping for a colonoscopy might drink a gallon of solution with PEG to soften the stool.

Some of the studies fueling anti-vaxxer fears of PEG were done by injecting a large amount of PEG directly in to the the peritoneum of mice. 50% of those mice developing peritonitis. Duh. IF you stick a needle in to the bellies of 10 lab mice and inject nothing there's a good chance that 5 of them will get peritonitis without giving them prophylactic antibiotics. All of the hits from Google I show fearing PEG are "natural" or "health" websites. Find something else to stir anti-vaccine hysteria.
An inert substance... In antifreeze?
 

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Glad to hear that. My 80 year old father and I got our Pfizer jabs a week ago at the VA. Neither of us experienced any negative side effect(s). Looking forward to getting second in 2 weeks.
One study indicates that you have approximately 90% immunity 3 weeks after the first shot. 7 to 10 days after the second shot you have the full 95% immunity (second shot also is suppose to enhance your longer term immunity).
 

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One study indicates that you have approximately 90% immunity 3 weeks after the first shot. 7 to 10 days after the second shot you have the full 95% immunity (second shot also is suppose to enhance your longer term immunity).

Lol post the study. Thats not how immunity works and that's not how they calculated the 95%.
 

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Common antifreeze is Ethylene glycol NOT POLYethylene glycol. Alcohol is used as an antifreeze in some things. I'm assuming you drink that and it's actually absorbed intact through the gut. Keep grasping at straws to justify your anti-vaccine stance.
Keep throwing labels that don't fit.

Jfc you get defensive. Sorry Mr. resident VirusVaccinePhD guy. Thought you'd know the answer.
 

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So you think telling someone they look like shit is being nice? (Even if that's true.) Different set of values for sure.
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Common antifreeze is Ethylene glycol NOT POLYethylene glycol. Alcohol is used as an antifreeze in some things. I'm assuming you drink that and it's actually absorbed intact through the gut. Keep grasping at straws to justify your anti-vaccine stance.
never said it.
but my hats off to you for calling the vaccine getting out in about the damn time you said it would be.
i still have my vaccine card from douglas county ~1969, so i could attend kindergarten (what a socialist world that mustve been) - shocking to me how theyve been demonized.
im signed up.
 

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How are those alleged 4% of 30 to 40 year olds in the hospital?

No one knows because they were never there you lying fraud.
Numbers still hard for you? Just checked updated numbers from January. 30-40 year olds averaged about 140 new diagnoses per day and on average 5 new people aged 30-40 were hospitalized with Covid. Still sitting at 3.4%. Of course the capture rate is probably well underestimated and that denominator could be quite a bit more, but even if we are missing half we are still looking at 2% hospitalization rate.

You LYinG FRauD!!!! Jesus, what a dramatic queen you are.

Source (sorry it’s a real database and in English, not Mandarin).

 

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Had the Moderna first dose. Four days later had a significant exposure with a patient that had some slight congestion (1.5 hours in a level 3 mask and face shield) and three days later they tested positive. Found out a week after the exposure and had some slight fatigue and congestion myself but had three negative PCR tests out to 14 days and no infected family. Either thank you masks or thank you vaccine. Might make a YouTube video about it later so that c3o and GBRforLife can confirm the veracity of my statement.
Or you just didn't get Covid.

I went to a wedding this past summer. Also had significant exposure with someone who tested positive 3 days later after the event and I wasn't wearing a mask and obviously hadn't received any vaccine.

So thank you.... ?
 
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Numbers still hard for you? Just checked updated numbers from January. 30-40 year olds averaged about 140 new diagnoses per day and on average 5 new people aged 30-40 were hospitalized with Covid. Still sitting at 3.4%. Of course the capture rate is probably well underestimated and that denominator could be quite a bit more, but even if we are missing half we are still looking at 2% hospitalization rate.

You LYinG FRauD!!!! Jesus, what a dramatic queen you are.

Source (sorry it’s a real database and in English, not Mandarin).


So not 4% of 30-40 year olds being hospitalized. It's amazing how the numbers change when you're pressed. "New diagnoses" - so not people who test positive?

They're now counting anyone who goes to the hospital as "hospitalized" so how many of these are released the same day?

4% of people lying in hospital beds for covid aren't in the 30-40 age group. Anyone trying to portray that is a disingenuous lying fraud from Iowa.
 
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never said it.
but my hats off to you for calling the vaccine getting out in about the damn time you said it would be.
i still have my vaccine card from douglas county ~1969, so i could attend kindergarten (what a socialist world that mustve been) - shocking to me how theyve been demonized.
im signed up.
It could have been faster but some people drug their heels to keep it from happening before the election. Originally my spouse had a date SET by the state health department to have her first dose of vaccine the first week of November. The "independent panel" set up by the FDA and CDC to "evaluate" the trials took their damned sweet time to issue their approval. IMO, it was a blatant political move to stop Trump from getting a political bump a few days before the election. It might have cost thousands of lives. Trump stepped on a lot of toes in the drug companies and the federal bureaucracy to get this thing done. Love him or hate him, he deserves credit for
 
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It could have been faster but some people drug their heels to keep it from happening before the election. Originally my spouse had a date SET by the state health department to have her first dose of vaccine the first week of November. The "independent panel" set up by the FDA and CDC to "evaluate" the trials took their damned sweet time to issue their approval. IMO, it was a blatant political move to stop Trump from getting a political bump a few days before the election. It might have cost thousands of lives. Trump stepped on a lot of toes in the drug companies and the federal bureaucracy to get this thing done. Love him or hate him, he deserves credit for
hoping the ongoing distrust of the vaccine and bad info regarding them, does not hamper folks from getting it.
 
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So not 4% of 30-40 year olds being hospitalized. It's amazing how the numbers change when you're pressed. "New diagnoses" - so not people who test positive?

They're now counting anyone who goes to the hospital as "hospitalized" so how many of these are released the same day?

4% of people lying in hospital beds for covid aren't in the 30-40 age group. Anyone trying to portray that is a disingenuous lying fraud from Iowa.

I really can’t follow your methods, Professor Prole. Please continue to keep sharing every important covid finding from bbqpotatochipnews.com
 
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