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As I've said before, I'm not as concerned with the mortality rate as I am the numbers that are dying each day. Although I still think the mortality rate will end up being higher than .5%, simply because no one has prior immunity to this virus.

We lost over 50,000 people in April alone, which is more than we lose during an entire average year of seasonal flu in the U.S. 80,000+ is app. 2 - 2 1/2 times the deaths each year for seasonal flu. And that is in just what, 10 weeks?

And of course our Social Distancing is finally paying off, and we're seeing the Total Cases and deaths in the U.S. starting to decline. Only to open all the states back up, which will kill more than the previous 2,000/day in April.

Yeah and like 50% of the deaths are from nursing home type facilities. We should have worried about the vulnerable groups vs. the young healthy population that seems to be having no real trouble with this thing outside of the few cases the media will highlight telling you everyone is dying from it. Going forward now that the data has come in, we need to protect the elderly & the ones with pre-existing conditions and let the rest of the world live.

Cuomo killed probably 10K alone by having Covid patients readmitted to their nursing homes. This virus is a killer of very specific groups and should be treated that way, and the rest of the population shouldn't be held hostage.
 
I like your attitude, even if I may disagree on certain points with you. I just place the highest value on lives versus commerce. Commerce occurs as a result of human lives, not the other way around. Commerce serves lives. Once we lose one of the people we care for, or even people we don't even know, they are gone forever. Businesses can be replaced.

I just think we're getting our values mixed up here. Agreeing to sacrifice hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of lives, when we have a vaccine that could potentially be available in 3 1/2 months, isn't going about this the correct way.

Edit - And we know with Oxford and Astra Zeneca being in the lead for the race to a vaccine, U.S., England and Swiss citizens will be the first to receive it.

a rushed vaccine scares me...... tell me why i shouldn’t be nervous
 
Reason number ....20 why people are leaving CA and NY in droves. States run by idiots who tax the hell out of regular working people to pay for homeless and illegals and their sanctuary cities. Cuomo taxed nurses who came to his state to help people. What a turd he is.

I couldn’t believe that! And kicking out Samaritan purse too! Cuomo and NYC mayor are total clueless f tards....
 
We ain't seen nothing yet? Whatcha gonna do? RollingLaugh

By the way, why do you get to be the one to decide which liberties are okay to be compromised and which aren't? The courts have backed the government's right to do this for close to 200 years now. If you don't like it, leave and find another country that doesn't take away anyone's liberties even a little bit. Good luck with that.
What? What liberties other than my own am I in command of?
Who am I telling what to do?
Not being allowed in church? 200 years? Not being able to assemble? Things removed from existence?

Oh, that was me demanding and deciding for others. You married couple for fifty years, quit standing so close outside,maintain six feet, hey you, board surfing the entire west coast, since your the only one on the pacfic right now, stop.
Yea, thats me.
Some people are gas lighting dingbats

If you think I stand alone, you're going to be very sadly mistaken.
Keep fiddlin with other peoples lives chuck, then project that on others.
 
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a rushed vaccine scares me...... tell me why i shouldn’t be nervous

It is still required to go through all 3 phases of the FDA approval process. They would just be manufacturing a number of doses of it so it would be ready for use when approved.
 
If you look here
https://rt.live/
You will see, not one state is on an upwards climb. Most all states were at a one to one ratio since the first week of April.
I understand people will let others test the waters first, as it always has been,but we have five weeks without overall flare ups, while seeing individual ones like at the packing plants in smaller populated states which have had greater impact on overall numbers of that state.

Like it should be, someone needs to go first, put that experiment of democracy to work. Keep an eye out on Georgia.The rest can follow
 
The UN is worried 100 million will die from this. Due to starvation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html
But far be it from me to do something abot it, people are scared.

I thought the UN was bad? Did you care that 150 million were already starving in the world or did you just do what you’ve accused the media of doing? Using a headline and “shock” to push your agenda of “opening up”?

When people project deaths and infections they are wrong and agenda driven, but now that it aligns with your “thoughts” let’s trust the projections and global organization.

The article says basically nothing about the US, and is mostly about developing economies and economic inequality.
 
I thought the UN was bad? Did you care that 150 million were already starving in the world or did you just do what you’ve accused the media of doing? Using a headline and “shock” to push your agenda of “opening up”?

When people project deaths and infections they are wrong and agenda driven, but now that it aligns with your “thoughts” let’s trust the projections and global organization.

The article says basically nothing about the US, and is mostly about developing economies and economic inequality.
If you think the UNs bad, then build your case off of that.
If you were a 2.2 million would die crowd, you confessing?
I've been saying all along this might happen.

Now, you conflate my position as anti UN at all costs? Or, is it you going against thie
UN?
Do you agree with them or not, or quit wasting my time with gaslighting foolishness.

Do you agree with the Penn governor by cutting off virus aid to those counties?
Do you?
 
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What do you know...seasonal flu estimates are highly overblown. So...even on the high side of 15,000 flu deaths per year, we've lost more than 5 times more people from Coronavirus in 10 weeks than an entire year of flu deaths. Hmmmm..

If we cant count something as easy to detect as the flu correctly, what makes you think we are even in the correct ballpark for COVID?
 
The sooner we open the country back up and let this thing run it's course the sooner we can put it behind us. So I'm just doing my part to help that happen. I'll be damned in I'm going to buy into something with a fraction of a percent for a kill rate as a reason to upset our entire society. #shithappens

Amen!!!! We are all going to get it eventually so why not do it now. Our neighbors got it unbeknown to us. They said it was 8-10 days of mild flu symptoms. Went over to their place to take them food and other items while they quarantined but never caught it from them surprisingly as Ive felt fine the past month. The waiting is the hardest part.
 
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I can only speak for myself of course, but I really appreciate people so much smarter than I, and most of the rest of the United States apparently, making decisions on my behalf because I'm to stupid to know how to live....I love they are deciding that it's OK to kill our economy and add to the homeless problem, unemployment problem, and alcoholism, and domestic abuse, and addl porn addiction problems, by keeping us all locked down and "safe" (unless you're one of the women or children being abused right now that is) so again, speaking for just myself, thanks for looking after all of us. I don't know how we'd get along without ya....and all of the people that so many churches help out but are not able to anymore because their offerings are way down appreciate you taking food out of their mouth to, and the weather is getting warmer so they don't need as much electricity either, so if OPPD cuts 'em off it's OK, they won't freeze to death.
Dont forget about the gaslighting apologists that think it's ok for a governor to cut off monies to people who defy their will, all in the name of protecting them, all by decree.
Hey, they've been doing this for 200 years dontcha know
 
If you think the UNs bad, then build your case off of that.
If you were a 2.2 million would die crowd, you confessing?
I've been saying all along this might happen.

Now, you conflate my position as anti UN at all costs? Or, is it you going against thie
UN?
Do you agree with them or not, or quit wasting my time with gaslighting foolishness.

Do you agree with the Penn governor by cutting off virus aid to those counties?
Do you?

Millions across the world with no actions taken? Absolutely, we hit 8-10k deaths per day in April globally. Doing nothing, we would have hit 1 million by June and 2 million in the fall globally. Widespread restrictions started in the US March 21st and we peaked on April 16th.

Widespread measures took effect March 4th in Italy and they peaked on March 28th. Sweden seemed to hit a peak around April 28th, which they got to their restrictions they did implement around April 4th.

Basically it appears it took 60-90 days to reach peak deaths for most countries, but restrictions took 3-4 weeks to really impact numbers, which makes sense with a 5 day incubation period and 17 day average post infection death.

So as we lift restrictions completely, chances are we could see another spike in large metro areas in mid July-August. If we partially lift, keep as many people working from home as possible and limit mass gatherings we could probably make it to winter, hopefully we have a vaccine by then.

I believe the Governor has that right, but I would prefer to see the levels of Government working together to solve the problems.
 
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Vaccines have been around for


Millions across the world with no actions taken? Absolutely, we hit 8-10k deaths per day in April globally. Doing nothing, we would have hit 1 million by June and 2 million in the fall globally. Widespread restrictions started in the US March 21st and we peaked on April 16th.

Widespread measures took effect March 4th in Italy and they peaked on March 28th. Sweden seemed to hit a peak around April 28th, which they got to their restrictions they did implement around April 4th.

Basically it appears it took 60-90 days to reach peak deaths for most countries, but restrictions took 3-4 weeks to really impact numbers, which makes sense with a 5 day incubation period and 17 day average post infection death.

So as we lift restrictions completely, chances are we could see another spike in large metro areas in mid July-August. If we partially lift, keep as many people working from home as possible and limit mass gatherings we could probably make it to winter, hopefully we have a vaccine by then.

I believe the Governor has that right, but I would prefer to see the levels of Government working together to solve the problems.
Try a half million a day,many are saying. Dying of starvation alone, not to mention suicides, drug usage etc all up.
Plus, they are predicting a huge crime wave once things have settled.
 
Vaccines have been around for


Millions across the world with no actions taken? Absolutely, we hit 8-10k deaths per day in April globally. Doing nothing, we would have hit 1 million by June and 2 million in the fall globally. Widespread restrictions started in the US March 21st and we peaked on April 16th.

Widespread measures took effect March 4th in Italy and they peaked on March 28th. Sweden seemed to hit a peak around April 28th, which they got to their restrictions they did implement around April 4th.

Basically it appears it took 60-90 days to reach peak deaths for most countries, but restrictions took 3-4 weeks to really impact numbers, which makes sense with a 5 day incubation period and 17 day average post infection death.

So as we lift restrictions completely, chances are we could see another spike in large metro areas in mid July-August. If we partially lift, keep as many people working from home as possible and limit mass gatherings we could probably make it to winter, hopefully we have a vaccine by then.

I believe the Governor has that right, but I would prefer to see the levels of Government working together to solve the problems.
Like I showed here
https://rt.live/
These numbers have been below the one to one threshold since first week of April
 
Depending, if those counties tell the Pennsylvania governor to take a hike, and he cuts them off, Washington may step in.
You follow the money, comes from us, Washington is spending it on the virus giving it to the states.
No legal action is taken here, just threats of no money, however, that could change if those monies aren't given out.
 
Try a half million a day,many are saying. Dying of starvation alone, not to mention suicides, drug usage etc all up.
Plus, they are predicting a huge crime wave once things have settled.

Who is claiming a half million deaths a day? Above and beyond? Source?
 
I know of a person that was in the hospital due after she suffered a concussion from falling. When she was being discharged she had a heart attack. The hospital listed her as a Covid-19 death.
 
a rushed vaccine scares me...... tell me why i shouldn’t be nervous
The way new vaccines are made makes them much safer than the old whole virus vaccines. This is something that I've dealt with for 40 years. I would be first in line to take one of the experimental vaccines. IMO the risk from a new CV vaccine would be little different than taking a flu shot. Hopefully we get to find out very soon. The alternative is certainly worse than a 1/100,000 chance of having a vaccination reaction.
 
The way new vaccines are made makes them much safer than the old whole virus vaccines. This is something that I've dealt with for 40 years. I would be first in line to take one of the experimental vaccines. IMO the risk from a new CV vaccine would be little different than taking a flu shot. Hopefully we get to find out very soon. The alternative is certainly worse than a 1/100,000 chance of having a vaccination reaction.

I have a question for you. I have never received a flu shot. The reason for that is because my Mom has had two flu shots in her life and both times she had a bad reaction to them. The 2nd time the Dr. told her to never get another flu shot. My Grandpa also had a terrible reaction when he got the flu shot. Is that normal for some people who receive flu shots?
 
I have a question for you. I have never received a flu shot. The reason for that is because my Mom has had two flu shots in her life and both times she had a bad reaction to them. The 2nd time the Dr. told her to never get another flu shot. My Grandpa also had a terrible reaction when he got the flu shot. Is that normal for some people who receive flu shots?

Does your family have allergies to Eggs? Most flu vaccine is taken from eggs traditionally, there are alternative methods.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-you-get-a-flu-shot-if-youre-allergic-to-eggs/
 
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Amen!!!! We are all going to get it eventually so why not do it now. Our neighbors got it unbeknown to us. They said it was 8-10 days of mild flu symptoms. Went over to their place to take them food and other items while they quarantined but never caught it from them surprisingly as Ive felt fine the past month. The waiting is the hardest part.
Well ideally none of us get it before we get vaccinated. We'll see what happens. I've been saying for weeks that the best information we could have right now would be to go in to a community and test the whole thing for both virus and antibodies. Pick out a small town which is fairly isolated and has a few known cases then test everybody. That might give us the best picture of what is actually going on in this country as far as spread. We seen when they start doing tracing from known cases that there's a huge number of asymptomatic positives who never do get sick. The positive cases number we see is just the tip of the iceberg. I would bet the farm that there are over 50 million recovered people or asymptomatic carriers out there walking around who never knew they had the virus. Opening restaurants is going to speed the acquisition of population immunity. We would still want and need a vaccine even if we reach that point.
 
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No egg allergies. My Grandpa ate two eggs every morning for breakfast.
Eating eggs and injecting them can be two entirely different things. I eat eggs all the time and if I eat whole yolks I might get a little scratchy throat or heartburn. Inject me with something with egg yolk protein in it and you had better have the epi ready. My personal thought is that the process of cooking eggs might denature some of the protein I'm allergic to the point that it doesn't bother me.
 

The only death claim I saw was 300K per day for 90 days, IF they couldn’t get food to any of 30 million people that already rely on them getting them food pre-pandemic.

Lots of ifs and sounds similar to millions dying from the virus with lots of ifs and uncertainties.
 
The only death claim I saw was 300K per day for 90 days, IF they couldn’t get food to any of 30 million people that already rely on them getting them food pre-pandemic.

Lots of ifs and sounds similar to millions dying from the virus with lots of ifs and uncertainties.
If, that's the point,isn't it? If we can't who can? Do we feed the world, or be like certain pols you don't like and be strctly national?

You know my position,open up,protect yourself,employers find ways to help in that protection for your employees and customers.
But, just as we don't want people to die, we are buying, our government under this admin,is buying our own food that's being thrown away because of market disruptions, and feeding those in this country that need it.
We can do more and feed others, or keep hiding, do little, and those people starve.
 
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If, that's the point,isn't it? If we can't who can? Do we feed the world, or be like certain pols you don't like and be strctly national?

You know my position,open up,protect yourself,employers find ways to help in that protection for your employees and customers.
But, just as we don't want people to die, we are buying, our government under this admin,is buying our own food that's being thrown away because of market disruptions, and feeding those in this country that need it.
We can do more and feed others, or keep hiding, do little, and those people starve.

People were starving before the pandemic and will do so after it is over. Employers have long proven that they will place profits over employee and customer safety.

What made you aware or suddenly convinced of the dire issues? The media.

This isn’t new, and seeing someone politicize it to gain funding isn’t a shock. I have, for many years, contributed to organizations taking care of people in crisis and will continue to do so. I highly encourage everyone to do the same.
 
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Eating eggs and injecting them can be two entirely different things. I eat eggs all the time and if I eat whole yolks I might get a little scratchy throat or heartburn. Inject me with something with egg yolk protein in it and you had better have the epi ready. My personal thought is that the process of cooking eggs might denature some of the protein I'm allergic to the point that it doesn't bother me.

The proteins and cooking are interesting, I have a close friend who is allergic to the protein in raw tomatoes, but can eat them cooked all day long. Also had a friend who had the GBS reaction to the 09 H1N1 flu vaccine which was scary as hell, fortunately he recovered fully.
 
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People were starving before the pandemic and will do so after it is over. Employers have long proven that they will place profits over employee and customer safety.

What made you aware or suddenly convinced of the dire issues? The media.

This isn’t new, and seeing someone politicize it to gain funding isn’t a shock. I have, for many years, contributed to organizations taking care of people in crisis and will continue to do so. I highly encourage everyone to do the same.
Oh, I've known people were starving since I knew about china.

But, if you think that's not over and above, or that drug usage has gone way up, or suicides haven't gone up etc, then it's time you do.

This media, are they all wrong? Every time? Can they repeat someones words without spinning,altering or simply editing them?
Sometimes.
I'll leave that to your common sense and your concious.
 
I couldn’t believe that! And kicking out Samaritan purse too! Cuomo and NYC mayor are total clueless f tards....

All these gud americans leaving cities cus of them democraks...i mean these cities is where the coronavirus is hitting too because there so many people in them cities, nuthing good come out of these cities...new york, chicaguo, l.a, what have they done that god ole' missoula couldn't do, or st. joesphe even. Why was all these peeple there anyway in the cities..if they known that democrats runnin it why they start there businesses there an all...why ernt all these businesses in the good patriotic america like oklahuma and wyomin.
 
All these gud americans leaving cities cus of them democraks...i mean these cities is where the coronavirus is hitting too because there so many people in them cities, nuthing good come out of these cities...new york, chicaguo, l.a, what have they done that god ole' missoula couldn't do, or st. joesphe even. Why was all these peeple there anyway in the cities..if they known that democrats runnin it why they start there businesses there an all...why ernt all these businesses in the good patriotic america like oklahuma and wyomin.
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People were starving before the pandemic and will do so after it is over. Employers have long proven that they will place profits over employee and customer safety.

What made you aware or suddenly convinced of the dire issues? The media.

This isn’t new, and seeing someone politicize it to gain funding isn’t a shock. I have, for many years, contributed to organizations taking care of people in crisis and will continue to do so. I highly encourage everyone to do the same.
Im not worried...20% of Americans out of work but the stocks are doing real good, I aint got not stocks but i heard it is good when a few companies are rich so I am happy. Told timmy that he won't be gettin a new bike becuase that bank needs that payment...maybe them bank shoul get into stocks so they can give us normal mericans a chance. When I get a little head start ima get into stocks.
 
Americans are not smart enough to handle this epidemic, let alone one with a higher death rate. Went by Menards and Lowes this weekend and it was standing room only, nobody had a mask on so I stepped out. I’m going to let the dumb ones get killed off first. We need to thin the herd a bit, too many lazy and stupid idiots.... I do have empathy for senior living residents as it is nasty. I agree this shouldn’t have hit this hard, but the average intelligence in the US is low and people can’t be trusted to help themselves.. as this will rage for another 12-18 months this “flu” will take 200,000+ but it’s all good...

I hope maybe the president will give these people a medal for their sacrifice. I have idea, maybe he can turn them tesla factories from vents to medals, make them out of the fines metal because people died to save our economy. The main street is gonna look back and say...geez I am glad we opened so soon because I was worry I won't be able to pay off my debts and i was worred the banks and card companies were going to struggle mighty when I couldnt make my payments. Thanks to all who sacrifice.
 
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