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Since the knowledge on this board never ceases to amaze me. Has anyone had any recent experience with an ACT prep course that they’d recommend?

My kid is to be a SR next year. He’s taken it 3 times. 27, 29, and 30. 30 is the necessary score for a Regent Scholarship at UNO. I’d love to see him get 2 more points as the score needed for a Regents at UNL is 32.

They did the John Baylor course at school, but he claims he didn’t pay a lot of attention.

So I’m looking for something for him to do over the summer and prep for the July test.
 
Just my advice as a teacher, if he already took some prep classes you might just want to make him read the front page (stories) of the NT Times and WSJ, they help a lot with vocab and reading comprehension. Also, 3 moms and a test do a really good job.
 
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No experience with a course but I do have a tip... Did he get his test and answer sheets back from a previous test? One major key to improving a score is to study what you got wrong. In the case of my son (also a Sr to be), his lowest section was English. He worked with an English teacher from his school and she reviewed his previous English ACT test/answers. From that she created a specific package of materials for him to work on to strengthen his areas of need. He got a huge bump from this approach on the May ACT. Good luck.
 
Just my advice as a teacher, if he already took some prep classes you might just want to make him read the front page (stories) of the NT Times and WSJ, they help a lot with vocab and reading comprehension. Also, 3 moms and a test do a really good job.

He just has just watched the Baylor stuff at school, nothing else. Thanks for the tip. He’ll be doing that over the summer, and I’ll check out 3 Moms.
 
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He just has just watched the Baylor stuff at school, nothing else. Thanks for the tip. He’ll be doing that over the summer, and I’ll check out 3 Moms.

Also...have him sit next to a super freaking smart kid when he takes the test. :)
 
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No experience with a course but I do have a tip... Did he get his test and answer sheets back from a previous test? One major key to improving a score is to study what you got wrong. In the case of my son (also a Sr to be), his lowest section was English. He worked with an English teacher from his school and she reviewed his previous English ACT test/answers. From that she created a specific package of materials for him to work on to strengthen his areas of need. He got a huge bump from this approach on the May ACT. Good luck.

He’s got that somewhere. Great idea. I’ll have him contact a teacher in the four subjects and see if they’ll help.
 
The best results I have seen come from an overall program usually put together by someone. I have a person around here that has had 2-4 points on average increases with already high scores. It is a really comprehensive process in learning how to not necessarily know the right answer but how to use some logic and word knowledge to narrow things down. Science, for instance, isn't as much science as it is reading and analyzing data, charts. graphs, etc.

Have you got with the school's counselor? They should know someone that will help. The one's I know about take some time, there are no quick fixes unfortunately. Good luck.
 
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I found that one this afternoon. Do you know anyo

I know one of the instructors. They've been in business for a while, and they are always busy. Some students who completed the program scored very high on the ACT. Not sure how much of that is attributable to the test prep and how much to raw intelligence and hard work.
 
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I found that one this afternoon. Do you know anyone who has used them?

Snoza is great. He used to do this at Roncalli when he taught there. I sure wish he still did.
 
It may be worth it, but 4 times is a lot to take that test. I used the prep course and got a 33 out of the gates, but didn't feel like the prep course did anything for me. It's biggest contribution was telling me that none of the above if listed was the answer 80% of the time.
 
It may be worth it, but 4 times is a lot to take that test. I used the prep course and got a 33 out of the gates, but didn't feel like the prep course did anything for me. It's biggest contribution was telling me that none of the above if listed was the answer 80% of the time.

It is a lot, but I figure I know a kid who took it 6 times and finally got the 36 he wanted. So I figure it’s a gamble, but might be worth taking. Which course did you take?
 
Honestly, these courses are a sham after you’ve taken the test a couple times. Pay a teacher to specifically ACT tutor your kid in whatever test( reading, English, math, science) he needs to improve in.

Or you could always apply for your kid to have some BS learning disability, which would allow him unlimited time, with which any kid who can score 30+ should get bumped up to a 36 on science.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the “accommodations” on the ACT are shady as sh!t. And that’s coming from a guy who has proctored the test 20+ times and also seen scores go up 7 freakin points when kids qualify for extra time and/or someone “reading” to them.
 
Honestly, these courses are a sham after you’ve taken the test a couple times. Pay a teacher to specifically ACT tutor your kid in whatever test( reading, English, math, science) he needs to improve in.

Or you could always apply for your kid to have some BS learning disability, which would allow him unlimited time, with which any kid who can score 30+ should get bumped up to a 36 on science.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the “accommodations” on the ACT are shady as sh!t. And that’s coming from a guy who has proctored the test 20+ times and also seen scores go up 7 freakin points when kids qualify for extra time and/or someone “reading” to them.

I've thought about that too regarding tutoring, but not sure where or who to turn to. His last testing he got 29, 29, 30, and 30 on the 4 subjects, so it's not like he has one that is holding him back compared to others.
 
I've thought about that too regarding tutoring, but not sure where or who to turn to. His last testing he got 29, 29, 30, and 30 on the 4 subjects, so it's not like he has one that is holding him back compared to others.

What is the last math class he has taken? I assume pre-calc?
 
Honestly, these courses are a sham after you’ve taken the test a couple times. Pay a teacher to specifically ACT tutor your kid in whatever test( reading, English, math, science) he needs to improve in.

Or you could always apply for your kid to have some BS learning disability, which would allow him unlimited time, with which any kid who can score 30+ should get bumped up to a 36 on science.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the “accommodations” on the ACT are shady as sh!t. And that’s coming from a guy who has proctored the test 20+ times and also seen scores go up 7 freakin points when kids qualify for extra time and/or someone “reading” to them.

Well, you can't actually "apply" for the accommodations you listed. You have to qualify for them. If you qualify then you can request them. Testing is done by a school psychologist or other person and you have to "qualify" with a disability and it has to be written into an IEP. If the IEP doesn't state "additional time on tests" or "needs tests read orally" then I don't think you can request it. Things could have changed since my days of doing this stuff.
 
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Well, you can't actually "apply" for the accommodations you listed. You have to qualify for them. If you qualify then you can request them. Testing is done by a school psychologist or other person and you have to "qualify" with a disability and it has to be written into an IEP. If the IEP doesn't state "additional time on tests" or "needs tests read orally" then I don't think you can request it. Things could have changed since my days of doing this stuff.

Well, obviously you cannot just get accommodations for just one test. Yes I know that. However, some parents are smart enough to get the accommodations in the classroom that the kid really had zero need for just so the kid can get those accommodations on the ACT.

And “qualifying” for these accommodations is not difficult whatsoever for persistent parents who are sure that being able to think in a timely manner has nothing to do with actually being smart or problem solving or showing what you know efficiently.
 
IMO, it really depends on your child's commitment. You can buy him/her books and you can put him/her in John Baylor or any other course, or get him/her a tutor. If the child doesn't commit to working at it in earnest, those things won't do any good. Some kids don't need any help, because they are smart enough and naturally think in a manner that is conducive to scoring well on the ACT. Some kids it doesn't matter how much tutoring you get them, 23 or so is their max at this point in their life. The courses can't teach kids much more than some simple concepts if they didn't pay attention and develop those concepts during their high school careers. But, there is a whole middle of the bell curve who could improve their scores by being trained in how to go about recognizing, analyzing and answering certain questions. The difference between 30 and 32 is not much. Couple of questions in each section and she's there. If the kid will put in the time to think about and apply what the good courses, like John Baylor or others mentioned, teach, it can help. Both of mine took John Baylor after taking the test first time, and both had their scores go up by 4 points overall, with good improvements in English and Reading Comp areas. Each tried 4 times, and took John Baylor a second time before last try (which is steeply discounted second time through). The difference in scores will save me easily $100,000 in tuition from where each started and allowed each to attend the college of choice rather than having to settle for something cheaper. Maybe they get there anyway without taking the courses, and maybe they don't. That's an answer that won't be known. But, I am much happier not knowing if it helped than I would have been wondering whether it would have helped while figuring how to cover the extra tuition $. But, don't pay the money if you aren't going to follow through and make sure he/she works at it.
 
Or you could always send him to Midland for $42000/year that is the same education as Peru/Wayne/Chadron?
 
Sorry, I probably need to bow out of this one with some of my opinions. This stuff hits home in a bunch of ways and will get me going!
 
IMO, it really depends on your child's commitment. You can buy him/her books and you can put him/her in John Baylor or any other course, or get him/her a tutor. If the child doesn't commit to working at it in earnest, those things won't do any good. Some kids don't need any help, because they are smart enough and naturally think in a manner that is conducive to scoring well on the ACT. Some kids it doesn't matter how much tutoring you get them, 23 or so is their max at this point in their life. The courses can't teach kids much more than some simple concepts if they didn't pay attention and develop those concepts during their high school careers. But, there is a whole middle of the bell curve who could improve their scores by being trained in how to go about recognizing, analyzing and answering certain questions. The difference between 30 and 32 is not much. Couple of questions in each section and she's there. If the kid will put in the time to think about and apply what the good courses, like John Baylor or others mentioned, teach, it can help. Both of mine took John Baylor after taking the test first time, and both had their scores go up by 4 points overall, with good improvements in English and Reading Comp areas. Each tried 4 times, and took John Baylor a second time before last try (which is steeply discounted second time through). The difference in scores will save me easily $100,000 in tuition from where each started and allowed each to attend the college of choice rather than having to settle for something cheaper. Maybe they get there anyway without taking the courses, and maybe they don't. That's an answer that won't be known. But, I am much happier not knowing if it helped than I would have been wondering whether it would have helped while figuring how to cover the extra tuition $. But, don't pay the money if you aren't going to follow through and make sure he/she works at it.

Oh believe me I'll be making sure he's on board before I spend the $$. When he took the test the 2nd time, he got about 5 hours of sleep before hand. The 3rd time he made sure he got a good night sleep and his goal was to get a 30 and he got it. School comes fairly easy to him, but he has a habit of not applying himself real hard because it mostly has been easy. I just wonder what he could do if he was motivated and put some effort into the test over the next few weeks before the July testing.
 
Oh believe me I'll be making sure he's on board before I spend the $$. When he took the test the 2nd time, he got about 5 hours of sleep before hand. The 3rd time he made sure he got a good night sleep and his goal was to get a 30 and he got it. School comes fairly easy to him, but he has a habit of not applying himself real hard because it mostly has been easy. I just wonder what he could do if he was motivated and put some effort into the test over the next few weeks before the July testing.

I'm not sure if they offer it, but have heard some great things about Khan Academy. Some of my friends kids do stuff through them, and they are amazed on how they have progressed in different subjects. They may have some sort of ACT course.
 
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Well, obviously you cannot just get accommodations for just one test. Yes I know that. However, some parents are smart enough to get the accommodations in the classroom that the kid really had zero need for just so the kid can get those accommodations on the ACT.

And “qualifying” for these accommodations is not difficult whatsoever for persistent parents who are sure that being able to think in a timely manner has nothing to do with actually being smart or problem solving or showing what you know efficiently.

You are saying two different things here. First they have to qualify to be labeled "Special Education" with an IEP - Individual Education Plan. Yes, the parent can lobby for accommodations to have tests read or extended time AFTER they are given an IEP based on all sorts of educational/testing data. So what you are saying is parents lobby to get their students labeled as special education. Getting an IEP is NOT a slam dunk like you are making it sound. There needs to be a verifiable reason, not just an opinion, and often involves medical data along with extensive learning/testing data. In 35 years I have never encountered a parent wanting to get their child into spec ed for an IEP outside of possibly being gifted. That being said, in Kansas and I am not certain about Nebraska, gifted students are also in special education so it is possible that a student with disabilities would need to have a test read to them. That instance would be extremely rare.

tro80 also make very comments about the desire of students if they will put the effort in. The payback can be huge. I have personal examples as well but they will not help provide the info needed.

Another aspect that is seldom looked at is taking a foreign language. There is a lot of data out there to support the benefits of certain foreign languages as beneficial in the SAT test - I know that is a different test, just making a correlation. The best language that I have seen - Latin. Greek is also helpful.
 
You are saying two different things here. First they have to qualify to be labeled "Special Education" with an IEP - Individual Education Plan. Yes, the parent can lobby for accommodations to have tests read or extended time AFTER they are given an IEP based on all sorts of educational/testing data. So what you are saying is parents lobby to get their students labeled as special education. Getting an IEP is NOT a slam dunk like you are making it sound. There needs to be a verifiable reason, not just an opinion, and often involves medical data along with extensive learning/testing data. In 35 years I have never encountered a parent wanting to get their child into spec ed for an IEP outside of possibly being gifted. That being said, in Kansas and I am not certain about Nebraska, gifted students are also in special education so it is possible that a student with disabilities would need to have a test read to them. That instance would be extremely rare.

tro80 also make very comments about the desire of students if they will put the effort in. The payback can be huge. I have personal examples as well but they will not help provide the info needed.

Another aspect that is seldom looked at is taking a foreign language. There is a lot of data out there to support the benefits of certain foreign languages as beneficial in the SAT test - I know that is a different test, just making a correlation. The best language that I have seen - Latin. Greek is also helpful.

You’ve seriously never encountered a parent wanting an IEP for their kid that wasn’t gifted?!!!! I question your entire post then.
 
In the my how things have changed category, nearly 40 years ago, most of us in my school took the test once, hung over. No prep class. All you really needed as far as we knew was a good enough to get admitted to the school you wanted to go to.
 
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You’ve seriously never encountered a parent wanting an IEP for their kid that wasn’t gifted?!!!! I question your entire post then.

What part of this is so hard to understand? Wanting is not getting. Qualifying is getting. It is a long process and not one that is arbitrary. Yes, I have seen parents ask for testing to see if they qualify but it is very very rare if they do and if so it doesn't mean they get the accommodations you are talking about.

OK, so what happens when all this takes place as you say and the kid gets an IEP as you say the parent requests and gets the accommodations as requested and then what? They get more time on the ACT and that is the miracle cure? This miraculously gets them a 32 ACT score and they do well in college and live life happily ever after? La la land here. Another question, how is it you proctored ACT tests, knew the person shouldn't be on an IEP (parent request) and you knew the score they pulled off? Amazing with all the protections for rights to privacy these days.
 
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My take is either your kid has it or he does not.

Tutoring him puts even more pressure on him that he does not need.

I did better on ACT than anyone i knew that tried help.

Either you know it or you don't.
 
We were in the exact same boat last year at this time.

My son got a 31 on the ACT (not a 32) and was still awarded the Regents in Lincoln. He just graduated from high school and will be in Lincoln in the fall as a freshman.

He was stuck at 30 and got a 31 the last time he took it. Other stats for him: Was in the top 10% of his class (Central HS in Omaha), something like a 4.4 GPA...Hope that helps!

Good thing is that you have time to get it up a point or two!
 
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I already know I will be in the minority.....but what is the purpose of all this? What does your kid want to be?

If it isn’t a lawyer, doctor, or engineer then don’t waste time at college.

I got a 28, 30 and 32 and the biggest mistake I made was going to a University on a full ride scholarship. Wasted 3 years of my life learning how to drink and hate white people.

If your kid is that smart, he is set for life if he has work ethic and figures out what he wants to do.

Meanwhile my brother and sister in law both have masters degrees, were taught to be complete socialists and spend their nights bartending and waitressing. They are the same age as me (30) and make 1/6 of what I make combined.

BE CAREFUL with sending your kids to university these days. It isn’t 1982 anymore.
 
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