Osweiler to the Texans
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Risky move, but I think Elway is clearly set on keeping as much of that defensive unit as possible, so he's just not going to overpay anyone on the other side of the ball. He let some other offensive players go this week that were pretty big contributors.
I'm a die-hard Raiders fan and nothing would make me happier than the implosion of the donkeys. However, I believe you are dead on. That defense is what won the Broncos the championship. It was beautiful watching them dismantle the Patriots and then the Panthers. I'm sure that they didn't want to lose Osweiler in free agency though. It will be interesting to watch how this all pans out.
About time the Texans got serious about getting a QB. Watt can only carry that team so far without any offense.
I think the Broncos had this planned. Brock had been in that franchise for four years, if they really wanted to keep him they would have finished his contract weeks ago. Elway knows his character and must have thought he wasn't going to fit long term.
They didn't want to pay big bucks to a guy who has only thrown for 2,000 yards in his four year career.
They didn't want to pay big bucks to a guy who has only thrown for 2,000 yards in his four year career.
The Broncos did want to keep Osweiler, but only up to a certain price. Once you start overpaying (which the Texans were willing to do) for a player, you have to try to underpay another guy to compensate, and that rarely works in the NFL. I don't think the Broncos need a Tom Brady to win the division next year. And, oh yeah, we OWN the Raiders.
As a Texans fan I don't love it, but hopefully he pans out. I like the possibility of getting Dak Prescott in a later round, but we also need a secondary and lineman.
Texans have such a great QB legacy, I'm sure this will work out.
David Carr
Matt Schaub
Ryan Mallett
Brandon Weedon
Brian Hoyer
Who wouldn't trust a franchise to make the right decision on a starting QB with that kind of track record?
I think this signing only makes sense for one person/side, and that's Brock himself. I don't blame him for taking the money that was offered, but it didn't make Brock a better QB. He's incredibly average or below, which is fine if you're on a badass team like the Bronco's.
I think Brock will be yet another in a long line of incredibly average QB's to pass through their doors and in 1-2 years, the Texans will still need a QB. Horrible signing IMO.
David Carr
Matt Schaub
Ryan Mallett
Brandon Weedon
Brian Hoyer
Who wouldn't trust a franchise to make the right decision on a starting QB with that kind of track record?
I think this signing only makes sense for one person/side, and that's Brock himself. I don't blame him for taking the money that was offered, but it didn't make Brock a better QB. He's incredibly average or below, which is fine if you're on a badass team like the Bronco's.
I think Brock will be yet another in a long line of incredibly average QB's to pass through their doors and in 1-2 years, the Texans will still need a QB. Horrible signing IMO.
Well, Malik Jackson bolted for the Jags. I think that is more of a lose than Osweiler. Maybe Denver will draft Conner Cook from Mich. State.
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Another thing to consider if you're a Donkey fan, or a fan of any team who's won the Super Bowl..They did just win a Super Bowl, which means all their moves leading up to that point in the last several years have been the right ones. Super Bowl winners aren't lucky, they have to draft and free agent well, and every team in the NFL would make the trade the Bronco's are having to make now after winning one. Yes it sucks to lose these guys, but they brought you a ring, so it's was job well done for Elway and he pretty much gets a pass for a few years now. Wish My Chief's had to make these tough calls.
When Osweiler was benched for a QB with no arm left, he probably decided he'd be wise to leave. And he certainly got paid on potential not past performance. I'm skeptical that a guy that tall will ever be more than a good backup.
Could be tough sledding for the Broncos next year. My Bears got Travaithan, there will be some guys from that team looking to get paid.
I suspect they'll try to land Fitzpatrick if they're trying to keep it going, but they may be due for a minor rebuild. Bears radio was saying this morning they're also interested in C.J. Anderson. That confused me a bit given that they re-signed Quizz Rogers. Guess they could be looking for a 1-2 of Langford and Anderson.
I suspect they'll try to land Fitzpatrick if they're trying to keep it going, but they may be due for a minor rebuild. Bears radio was saying this morning they're also interested in C.J. Anderson. That confused me a bit given that they re-signed Quizz Rogers. Guess they could be looking for a 1-2 of Langford and Anderson.
Surprising to say the least. Elway thought they could get to re-sign on the cheap and likely pissed him off. I guess he would rather get paid and lose.
Broncos offered him a ton of money, they weren't being cheap about it. You could make the argument they were over paying in fact.
I agree. I think Elway would have preferred to keep him, but wasn't going to match absurd offers from other teams. I'm not one to worship at the altar of John Elway, but I can't argue with how he handled this situation.
I also wonder if Brock committed to the Texans without ever speaking to Elway and or the Bronco's first? If that happened, then I don't really see how anyone could blame Elway here, at all. If Brock had a deal in hand from Bronco's, shared their offer with the Texans, who upped it, he accepts and then Elway finds out later, I don't see what he could have done differently. Obviously Brock was a little butt hurt over being benched for one of the top 5 QB's of all time, that went on to win a Super Bowl, proving it was the right move. Texans are paper tigers, they didn't get any better with this move, only poorer and locked into an average QB at best for a few years.
Yep. I have not heard much intelligent sentiment that the Broncos let a great one get away. If anyone should know what Brock was worth, it's Elway. He's been watching him practice.
Texans are taking a HUGE swing and hoping it clears the wall. Reminds me of when the Bears threw all that money at Cutler and the rationale was, "Well, if we didn't overpay him, somebody else was gonna."
As much as I like the story about how Brock was ticked and couldn't wait to go somewhere else, you don't have to go there to explain his choice. 37 mill guaranteed vs 30 mill guaranteed. No state tax vs state tax. All players would like to have two things: money and a ring. Once you have one, then you can focus on the other. He probably also prefers the Texan's offensive philosophy to the Kubiak's.
The Texans feel they are a consistent QB away from making a big step forward as a team. They haven't had one, they are desperate for one, and were willing to overpay for hope/potential. Broncos just aren't as desperate, know Brock better than anyone, and just weren't willing to go that far for him. Of course, they may be desperate soon enough because right now Trevor Siemian from NW is their only QB. Eventually it will be Siemian, a 2016 draftee, and take your pick from Fitz, RGIII, Kapernick, etc.
The Texans feel they are a consistent QB away from making a big step forward as a team. They haven't had one, they are desperate for one, and were willing to overpay for hope/potential. Broncos just aren't as desperate, know Brock better than anyone, and just weren't willing to go that far for him. Of course, they may be desperate soon enough because right now Trevor Siemian from NW is their only QB. Eventually it will be Siemian, a 2016 draftee, and take your pick from Fitz, RGIII, Kapernick, etc.
I think it was partially money - but it also was getting a vote of no confidence when they rolled out noodle arm Manning for the SB run. I think the chances of winning are about the same in both places. Houston's D is pretty close to the Donkeys once everyone is healthy. And they unloaded some of the high priced garbage.
Well you've been on quite a roll lately with your Bronco predictions, so I'll definitely go bet the farm on Houston being the better team next year.
If they offered a ton then the Texans offered TWO tons of money. They weren't willing to pay what he market bore. I'm not saying they were wrong, I just think they thought they could get him to re-sign for less money than others would pay him and they were wrong. Only time will tell if they made a mistake or not. IMO he looked awfully good in his limited starts this year. He was making throws that Manning couldn't. In any case they are desperate now.
I think it's the Texans who were desperate which is why they threw so much money at an unproven commodity. Do those ever work out? Second string QB's with a small sample size by which to judge, that look good for a brief period of time and then get big money from anther team? I'm sure there are examples, but I am blanking at the moment.
Bronco's apparently had a chance to match their offer and passed. That's the exact opposite of desperate.
Well every team in the NFL without a starting QB is in fact desperate and IF you don't believe that the Broncos are desperate now then I can't help you. I would think the Broncos will have an easier time attracting a journeyman QB than most teams given their situation but man they are right now staring at Simien, Kapernick maybe, a first round draftee maybe, Fitzpatrick?. Yikes. Chew on this. They are likely going to have to give a king's ransom just to get a guy like Kap from the Niners. Maybe Osweiler wasn't so expensive after all.
Lack of other options doesn't make Brock a better QB. I am betting Brock turns out like all the other Texans QB's, average at best and a regrettable signing. Bronco's can get an average QB this year or next. I'd rather have Kap personally, at least he's actually done something in this league. I'm a Chief's fan personally, so you'd think I would be celebrating this situation, but honestly I think they did the smart thing here. I'd say both sides got what they felt was best for themselves here so there aren't any losers, and only time will tell if the Texans are the winners. I'm betting Brock puts up incredibly average numbers and the Texans, if they get to the playoffs next year, are still one and done. Can't wait for next season already, here I am debating a second string QB promotion to a starter on a team that isn't even my favorite!
I'm not sure there's an "average QB" out there. Kap has been a disaster and frankly all the Texans paid Osweiler was "average" money. About the only way you pay less than what he got is to sign a guy that hasn't played at all or was a total bust. Osweiler at least knows there offense and has shown he can win games for them in that system.
A former championship winning NFL QB passed on Brock Osweiler. I have no idea who in Houston is betting their job on Brock, (hope it pays off for them), my guess is whomever they are, they have not won a championship and certainly are not a QB. I think it speaks volumes if someone who played the position passes on you as a player. Not saying that Brock is not a good QB. I liked him and wish he could have stayed with Denver. I do not fault him for not wanting to play in Peyton's shadow or for chasing the money. Whomever Elway finds, will have to deal with the pressure of following Peyton Manning...that is going to be a tough gig and not hard to see why Osweiler would opt to not have to deal with that and get more money.
The problem for the Broncos is that they really have no other better options IMO. I'm not a big Bronco fan so it doesn't really matter to me. I just think not signing Osweiler put them in a really precarious position at a position that you at least have to a body that has shown he can win and Osweiler did that for them. Was he too high? Maybe, but you will never really know for sure because he isn't going to be playing in your system and with your offense. So what he does in Houston may not be an accurate reflection of what he could have done for the Broncos. I'm not sure Elway passed on Osweiler so much as got caught in a bluff. I think he might have rethought his position if he was sure he would pack his bags. This one will be interesting to watch. I'm a fan of Elway as far as his professional life goes.
Lots of examples, but few that actually work out. Matt Flynn got quite a bit of money from Seattle, then lost the job to a 3rd-round pick. Matt Cassell was so bad in Kansas City that he made Alex Smith look like a savior. Matt Schaub went from being the QB everyone wanted to being absolute garbage.
Depending on who they sign, the Broncos might have been marginally better in 2016 with Osweiller than without him. But I don't think Elway saw him as the answer, and didn't want to give up other key pieces to keep him. So he made an offer and stuck to it, and I can't fault him for that.
And the thing that sticks out for me about Osweiler is that he was pretty successful until opponents got a couple of weeks' worth of film on him - then things started to go downhill in a hurry. Wasn't all his fault, as the Broncos had some injuries and other problems during that stretch. But it sure looked like the defenses found his tendencies and locked in on them.
This has Scott Mitchell written all over it. Too much money for an unproven dude. Denver made the right decision.
According to Elway that's just a first move. Even with the pickings being slim, he'll likely find someone better than Sanchez before all is said and done.
