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[drubendall]

People who who are dismayed that scientists don’t have a novel viral disease all figured out in the 8 months or so it has existed in humans and are at all surprised that recommendations are rapidly changing don’t understand science nor do they likely have the capacity to do so

Except for climate science. I understand that it is settled science and not up for debate. Am I doing this right?

 

[tpmcg]

People who who are dismayed that scientists don’t have a novel viral disease all figured out in the 8 months or so it has existed in humans and are at all surprised that recommendations are rapidly changing don’t understand science nor do they likely have the capacity to do so

I'm astonished at how many people know more about this virus - via shared anecdotal personal evidence or unproven memes on facebook, than epidemiologists or virologists.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Except for climate science. I understand that it is settled science and not up for debate. Am I doing this right?

Ha! So true!

The climate has 3 ways to go.

1. Go up
2. Go down
3. Stay the same

Climate dorks have it made...they win on 2/3 of those!

 

[Charlie Marlow]

It’s about the rate of change

 

[kerpal_68]

If you take Texas medical center as an example - 1330 ICU beds - normal capacity 95%

so last year at this time they were at 95% capacity

fast forward to now - they now have an additional 615 COVID pneumonia patients to find room for - you don’t see where that might be a problem?

How do you know 90 percent of those 615 covid cases wouldn't be in ICU from something else? People get sick and die everyday before covid and will long after covid.

 

[jlb321]

Except for climate science. I understand that it is settled science and not up for debate. Am I doing this right?

scientific discovery progressively narrows the margins around which there is debate -
hypotheses are initially widely dispersed but became more narrow as unknowns begin to more closely resemble fact

and then things get derailed because someone talked to their uncle's cousin's niece who is a nurse tech who said the equivalent of the earth is flat

 

[jlb321]

How do you know 90 percent of those 615 covid cases wouldn't be in ICU from something else? People get sick and die everyday before covid and will long after covid.

Because many wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

 

[John_J_Rambo]

 

[dinglefritz]

Because I wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

How much of that call going out is need now versus we better get some ducks in a row just in case we need more bodies to treat patients? It is possible that "disaster licensing" could contribute to higher than expected death losses from COVID. Most of the recently retired Drs that I know well really needed to retire due to their decreasing skill level and ability to function in high stress situations. One of the problems in inner city and rural hospitals is that they don't always attract the best and the brightest healthcare professionals. Another issue has been with hospitalist Dr care. I had a hospitalist nearly kill me when I was very ill and spent a week in the hospital. It took my questioning my regular Dr. about why I was getting a med I knew I couldn't take to get it stopped. A regular patient may not have known enough to be able to question the treatment.

It isn't always about just having enough Drs and nurses. It's also about the quality of the Drs and nurses available to treat patients. Unfortunately in my experience there can be some professionals who aren't as dedicated to care as they should be once that clocks strikes 5 pm. Likewise one of the little talked about determiners of quality of patient outcomes is the quality of nursing and attention to details. I don't know if it's ever been thoroughly analyzed but I would imagine that the highest rate of death of hospitalized patients probably falls between midnight and 5 am. I've been very fortunate to have had great nurses (except one) when I've been hospitalized. That isn't always the case especially in inner city hospitals.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Because I wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

based on your heroic work on this board, is it safe to assume you're answering the call and going to help in this crisis?

thank you in advance

 

[dinglefritz]

No he did not.

He said he was "cautiously optimistic" that a vaccine "with some degree of effectiveness" will be available in early 2021.

He has made multiple statements about the vaccine. I have heard him state multiple times that he is confident one will be available by either the 1st of January or early January. Take your pick. We ALREADY have a multiple vaccines which are showing positive results in human trials. We've ramped up the infrastructure necessary to package the vaccine. So what are we waiting for? IF this is such a dire emergency we should be administering the trial vaccines to millions of the highest risk people. Apparently there's no rush to give the vaccine to prevent what is almost certain death.

 

[dinglefritz]

I'm astonished at how many people know more about this virus - via shared anecdotal personal evidence or unproven memes on facebook, than epidemiologists or virologists.

another reason to not be on Facebook or Twitter....

 

[jlb321]

How much of that call going out is need now versus we better get some ducks in a row just in case we need more bodies to treat patients?
It isn't always about just having enough Drs and nurses. It's also about the quality of the Drs and nurses available .

of course -

there is good evidence of when ICUs go from 80% to 100% capacity - mortality goes up
when ICU patient to physician ratio goes up beyond a certain point-- mortality worsens
when ICU patient to nursing ratio goes up -- mortality worsens
when you have non ICU trained specialists caring for critically ill patients - mortality goes up
when you need nonICU trained nurses to assume ICU roles -- mortality goes up

of course all those things you mentioned make outcomes worse- and not just for COVID - but for cardiac surgery, strokes,

I don't understand why any of this would be surprising

there isn't enough speciality trained staff available in areas that are experiencing large hospital surges to provide optimal care .. so they have to try to make due with what is available

Texas has also eased supervisory restrictions of physicians in training to help with the staffing shortages

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

actually sweden didn't shut anything down and their economy has been hit worse than any of their neighboring countries who all shut down entirely very early and stayed shut down for a long time. so i think you might be wrong in your relationship between the economy and shutting things down. the problem with the economy is not shutting down. the problem with the economy is the virus. it is present in both scenarios

so which country flattened the curve?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Sorry, that quote does not in any way imply that masks were "bad" as you originally claimed he stated.

….. which leads me to wonder which occurs more frequently: how often Fauci revises his pronouncements or how frequently people misquote or otherwise attribute false statements to him.

he said there is no reason to wear a mask - no longer says that

he said hot spots need to consider lock down again - later that day changes it to hot spots should not move forward with next stages.

that is two contradicting ideas and there are others

 

[tpmcg]

another reason to not be on Facebook or Twitter....

i really don't want it for everyone else's idea of 'news' - i can find my own, but I do like it when people share news about their life. it comes with a price, for sure!

 

[Husker Hunyock]

I don’t think herd immunity exists from covid. Recent studies showed no anti bodies in those who recovered months ago

They dont bring up T-Cells

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

I'm astonished at how many people know more about this virus - via shared anecdotal personal evidence or unproven memes on facebook, than epidemiologists or virologists.

Don't forget YouTube videos and that guy from HS that barely graduated.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Because many wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

'many'????? what about 'I', as previously stated? did you in fact not receive the letter as previously claimed?

imagine posting this, saying it was sent to you by American citizens desperate for help, editing the wording to remove yourself (proof below, thanks to a quoted post) due to it either being a flat-out lie or embarrassment, and then doing nothing in response while posting non-stop about the seriousness of this pandemic.

this is serious. if not wearing a mask is akin to draft dodging, as you've also posted, what is it that you're up to?


jlb321 said: ↑

Because I wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

at best you're a hypocrite, at worst you're a lying coward. adios, credibility.

pathetic what lengths some will go to on an anonymous message board.

 

[jlb321]

'many'????? what about 'I', as previously stated? did you in fact not receive the letter as previously claimed?

imagine posting this, saying it was sent to you by American citizens desperate for help, editing the wording to remove yourself (proof below, thanks to a quoted post) due to it either being a flat-out lie or embarrassment, and then doing nothing in response while posting non-stop about the seriousness of this pandemic.

this is serious. if not wearing a mask is akin to draft dodging, as you've also posted, what is it that you're up to?



jlb321 said: ↑

Because I wouldn’t have gotten this letter from the Texas Medical Board asking for help if everything was just business as usual and these were patients that would have been in the ICU anyway regardless of COVID

at best you're a hypocrite, at worst you're a lying coward. adios, credibility.

pathetic what lengths some will go to on an anonymous message board.

Yes - it went out to many - myself included -

Are you honestly stupid enough (it appears you are) to think I was the only one to receive it - thus the change to many (pleural) vs I (singular) -

I’m not retired -am seeing COVID pts in our own ICU daily

cheers

RIP - Richard Rose III

 

[dinglefritz]

For those wondering who Richard Rose III is, he's the 37 year old veteran who posted on Facebook back in April that he wouldn't wear a face mask. Then about 7/3 he posted that he had COVID and was extremely ill and implored people to wear masks.. He died on the 4th. He died because he had been engaging in very risky behavior by partying with large groups of people. I believe by his pictures that he likely wasn't the healthiest of dudes. It's interesting that a "37 year old" had a gray beard. I don't believe a mask would have saved his life given the activities he said he participated in.

 

[jlb321]

For those wondering who Richard Rose III is, . I believe by his pictures that he likely wasn't the healthiest of dudes. It's interesting that a "37 year old" had a gray beard.

Amazing how a 37 year olds death can be so easily dismissed because of some gray in a his beard

Edit - I want to offer my deepest apologies, on closer examination it also appears a few of his teeth were crooked ... in retrospect his death was entirely understandable and predictable ... frankly I’m surprised he lived to see 37

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Yes - it went out to many - myself included -

Are you honestly stupid enough (it appears you are) to think I was the only one to receive it - thus the change to many (pleural) vs I (singular) -

I’m not retired -am seeing COVID pts in our own ICU daily

cheers

RIP - Richard Rose III

Why the edit then, doc? Why change from ‘I’ to ‘many’ if what you claim is true? to be more accurate after the post was up for a day? was it eating at your conscience you were being misleading in order to prove a point? certainly not the first time there, so the edit strikes me as very curious.

‘pleural’? using a medical term to incorrectly define words now. clever.

one quick google search turned up the same document. how convenient.

For someone with an overflowing ICU, you sure have a lot of posting time on your hands.

 

[jlb321]

Why the edit then, doc? Why change from ‘I’ to ‘many’ if what you claim is true? to be more accurate after the post was up for a day? was it eating at your conscience you were being misleading in order to prove a point? certainly not the first time there, so the edit strikes me as very curious.

‘pleural’? using a medical term to incorrectly define words now. clever.

one quick google search turned up the same document. how convenient.

For someone with an overflowing ICU, you sure have a lot of posting time on your hands.

Because you are correct - it wasn’t sent directly to me - it was sent to our department and then forwarded on to it’s members of which I am one

While high level ICUs are staffed in house 24/7 - you do realize that it isn’t the same providers present the whole time

 

[huskerfan66]

another reason to not be on Facebook or Twitter....

That would be me

 

[dinglefritz]

Amazing how a 37 year olds death can be so easily dismissed because of some gray in a his beard

Edit - I want to offer my deepest apologies, on closer examination it also appears a few of his teeth were crooked ... in retrospect his death was entirely understandable and predictable ... frankly I’m surprised he lived to see 37

My spouse regularly conveys to me how pissed it makes her when she sees the reports of "healthy" young people dying from Covid. I'm at the point where I don't believe much of what I read especially when it comes from Twitter or Facebook. Was the guy really 37? Awfully gray for 37. Was he diabetic? Did he have heart disease? We don't know and will never know because that doesn't fit the agenda of the people writing the stories. You know damned well IF you work around an ICU that young healthy 37 year olds are at an extremely low risk of dying from this.

 

[jlb321]

My spouse regularly conveys to me how pissed it makes her when she sees the reports of "healthy" young people dying from Covid. I'm at the point where I don't believe much of what I read especially when it comes from Twitter or Facebook. Was the guy really 37? Awfully gray for 37. Was he diabetic? Did he have heart disease? We don't know and will never know because that doesn't fit the agenda of the people writing the stories. You know damned well IF you work around an ICU that young healthy 37 year olds are at an extremely low risk of dying from this.

Good point - like you said - he had some gray in his beard - maybe a touch of diabetes- very suspicious - he should have probably been enrolled in hospice even prior to getting the virus

I bet they listed his cause of death as COVID-19 as well instead of 37 yo with gray beard

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Because you are correct - it wasn’t sent directly to me - it was sent to our department and then forwarded on to it’s members of which I am one

While high level ICUs are staffed in house 24/7 - you do realize that it isn’t the same providers present the whole time

Still makes no sense to edit, as you claim it eventually made its way to you. Therefore It would be accurate and an edit wouldn’t be needed.

Until proven otherwise, at least to this poster, you’re stealing valor from actual healthcare providers on a f’n nebraska recruiting board.

pathetic.

 

[jlb321]

Still makes no sense to edit, as you claim it eventually made its way to you. Therefore It would be accurate and an edit wouldn’t be needed.

Until proven otherwise, at least to this poster, you’re stealing valor from actual healthcare providers on a f’n nebraska recruiting board.

pathetic.

ok top gun

Do you have a few other screen names ready to go for when you need to slither back on the board again after getting permabanned?

cant ever imagine posting something that vile

 

[John_J_Rambo]

ok top gun

Do you have a few other screen names ready to go for when you need to slither back on the board again after getting permabanned?

cant ever imagine posting something that vile

Got me. Good one. Takes a real M.D. to come up with a burn like that.

wonder what you’ll make up next!