Only if we win?

[big red22]

This is a post directed to the "We can only get Parsons if we have a good season" crowd...

These are the arguments that are always made, and it makes no sense for multiple reasons

Argument: The Top tier recruits want to play for a team that they know is going to win... or they don't want to play for a losing team... or they don't want to come into a questionable situation

Counter 1: You realize that what happens in 2017-2018 season has no impact what so ever on what happens the following year right.

Example

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season)
Auburn 2011: 8-5
Auburn 2012: 3-9

If you want me to only use Nebraska, Suh comes to mind...

Counter 2: Don't you think these recruits are going to look at the class coming in more so than how the season plays out? To a lesser extent, the class the previous year plays an impact as well. The class coming in is who they are going to be playing with for their time in the program, so it makes sense to base their decision more on that right?

Counter 3: Maybe, just maybe these kids like the coaches and program more than the others they looked at? Maybe they feel like they fit in better with the coaching staff? Maybe they get along better with the players at Nebraska?

Counter 4: There is a good possibility that these kids want to be the leader and not the follower. Create their own path to success, and not follow the crowd. Show that they believe in themselves and how they can be the starter of something great.

Counter 5: This is a quote from poster on another message board who I believe gets it "So we have guys like Lindsey and Bookie that want to come here and make Nebraska championship caliber, and then we have guys like Parsons and Hufanga that will only come here if we are already championship caliber?"

Explain to me how we can get Lamar Jackson, Tyjon Lindsey, Joshua Moore, Bookie, Elijah Blades ect... but getting Parsons or Hufunga is out of the question unless we win?

 

[huskerfan1414]

Double Counter 19: teams that win consistently have better recruiting classes.

I dont think we have to win to get him and others, but it certainly helps. As Ive said before, if Riley and staff are recruiting this well and getting kids to campus now, imagine what happens if we win 10 games!

Sure, kids can and will go anywhere given the right circumstances. But if you dont think winning helps, or if you think our recruiting potential can be maxed out with 7-9 win seasons, youre flat wrong.
Thats where this crowd you speak of is coming from.

 

[c3ntral08]

Double Counter 19: teams that win consistently have better recruiting classes.

I dont think we have to win to get him and others, but it certainly helps. As Ive said before, if Riley and staff are recruiting this well and getting kids to campus now, imagine what happens if we win 10 games!

Sure, kids can and will go anywhere given the right circumstances. But if you dont think winning helps, or if you think our recruiting potential can be maxed out with 7-9 win seasons, youre flat wrong.
Thats where this crowd you speak of is coming from.

This. /thread

 

[phoenix4nu]

This is a post directed to the "We can only get Parsons if we have a good season" crowd...

These are the arguments that are always made, and it makes no sense for multiple reasons

Argument: The Top tier recruits want to play for a team that they know is going to win... or they don't want to play for a losing team... or they don't want to come into a questionable situation

Counter 1: You realize that what happens in 2017-2018 season has no impact what so ever on what happens the following year right.

Example

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season)
Auburn 2011: 8-5
Auburn 2012: 3-9

If you want me to only use Nebraska, Suh comes to mind...

There were a lot of reasons why Cam Newton (and his dad) didn't seem to mind a mediocre season. Probably close to 100,000.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

As long as Williams, Williams, Bray, Langsdorf and to an extent Parrella are on the staff, Nebraska will continue to recruit as well as they are now. Where winning helps is the residual recruits, especially on the interior line recruiting and getting the higher ranked LBs.

I don't think anyone is claiming that elite players will come to Nebraska if the win totals hover around 6-7 for a few years but 8-10 wins and recruits can see how close a team is to getting over the hump, and may be willing to go in that direction.

 

[tone1017]

This is a post directed to the "We can only get Parsons if we have a good season" crowd...

These are the arguments that are always made, and it makes no sense for multiple reasons

Argument: The Top tier recruits want to play for a team that they know is going to win... or they don't want to play for a losing team... or they don't want to come into a questionable situation

Counter 1: You realize that what happens in 2017-2018 season has no impact what so ever on what happens the following year right.

Example

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season)
Auburn 2011: 8-5
Auburn 2012: 3-9

If you want me to only use Nebraska, Suh comes to mind...

Counter 2: Don't you think these recruits are going to look at the class coming in more so than how the season plays out? To a lesser extent, the class the previous year plays an impact as well. The class coming in is who they are going to be playing with for their time in the program, so it makes sense to base their decision more on that right?

Counter 3: Maybe, just maybe these kids like the coaches and program more than the others they looked at? Maybe they feel like they fit in better with the coaching staff? Maybe they get along better with the players at Nebraska?

Counter 4: There is a good possibility that these kids want to be the leader and not the follower. Create their own path to success, and not follow the crowd. Show that they believe in themselves and how they can be the starter of something great.

Counter 5: This is a quote from poster on another message board who I believe gets it "So we have guys like Lindsey and Bookie that want to come here and make Nebraska championship caliber, and then we have guys like Parsons and Hufanga that will only come here if we are already championship caliber?"

Explain to me how we can get Lamar Jackson, Tyjon Lindsey, Joshua Moore, Bookie, Elijah Blades ect... but getting Parsons or Hufunga is out of the question unless we win?

No one is saying we have to be championship caliber but if I was a recruit I would want to go to a program that has shown that it knows how to make players and teams succeed. It's great that our coaches are able to sell the vision and the future, it'd be better if they could sell the present and say "This is what you could be a part of," and have that mean a highly successful program in terms of wins and losses, rather than just high character, great academic support, etc. Kids want different things and wins and losses are obviously just one factor of many, but it can never hurt to win more games.

 

[WHCSC]

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season)

Auburn had a lot to sell for 2010. 2009 was Chizik & Malzahn's first season and their offense was 2nd in the SEC and 16th in the nation.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Must be a slow sports day...again.

 

[jlb321]

I love how this class looks right now .. But given the events around the 2017 class I am going to temper my enthusiasm a bit until I see the commits in uniform on the sideline during the season.

It looks like things are turning the corner but Riley has yet to get an above average recruiting class to fall camp. As I said I hope that changes with the 2018 class

 

[suhnami]

T
Example

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season) Because he was paid thousands of dollars
Auburn 2011: 8-5
Auburn 2012: 3-9

Please see bold and underlined addition above.

 

[bigboxes]

Must be a slow sports day...again.

Go to ESPN.com. Rain @ Wimbeldon. That is the top story.

 

[swissticuffs]

I like how you immediately start off countering with Cam Newton.....a player that was bought. I'm actually ok with buying recruits...are you?

Suh was recruited by John Blake, without John Blake he doesn't come to Lincoln.

Maybe they do like the coaches and the program.....a toilet bowl season will see some (if not all) coaches moving on.

Bottom line winning begets winning and success begets success. I think if they go 8-4 or better and not embarrass themselves then they should be fine.

Have a 6-6/7-5 season and the class is going to look different.

 

[ctscts]

This is a post directed to the "We can only get Parsons if we have a good season" crowd...

These are the arguments that are always made, and it makes no sense for multiple reasons

Argument: The Top tier recruits want to play for a team that they know is going to win... or they don't want to play for a losing team... or they don't want to come into a questionable situation

Counter 1: You realize that what happens in 2017-2018 season has no impact what so ever on what happens the following year right.

Example

Auburn 2009: 8-5
Auburn 2010: 14-0 (Cam Newton didn't seem to mind a mediocre season)
Auburn 2011: 8-5
Auburn 2012: 3-9

If you want me to only use Nebraska, Suh comes to mind...

Counter 2: Don't you think these recruits are going to look at the class coming in more so than how the season plays out? To a lesser extent, the class the previous year plays an impact as well. The class coming in is who they are going to be playing with for their time in the program, so it makes sense to base their decision more on that right?

Counter 3: Maybe, just maybe these kids like the coaches and program more than the others they looked at? Maybe they feel like they fit in better with the coaching staff? Maybe they get along better with the players at Nebraska?

Counter 4: There is a good possibility that these kids want to be the leader and not the follower. Create their own path to success, and not follow the crowd. Show that they believe in themselves and how they can be the starter of something great.

Counter 5: This is a quote from poster on another message board who I believe gets it "So we have guys like Lindsey and Bookie that want to come here and make Nebraska championship caliber, and then we have guys like Parsons and Hufanga that will only come here if we are already championship caliber?"

Explain to me how we can get Lamar Jackson, Tyjon Lindsey, Joshua Moore, Bookie, Elijah Blades ect... but getting Parsons or Hufunga is out of the question unless we win?

This is odd. Why did you start a thread to argue with yourself?

No argument or counter really cover everything. Every kids has their own reasons for picking a school. It just isn't black and white.