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Unlucky.
Im interested to know if this happened on turf or real grass.
I just dont like or trust turf. If you get caught wrong there is no give and the necessary movement goes straight to the knee.
Not saying this hasnt happened on grass, but you catch my drift.
Im interested to know if this happened on turf or real grass.
I just dont like or trust turf. If you get caught wrong there is no give and the necessary movement goes straight to the knee.
Not saying this hasnt happened on grass, but you catch my drift.
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Run the damn ball.
Injuries happen. Some are more key than others. Tanner, Stanley Morgan..Gates..Chris Jones...That's why you recruit at a high level. So when a stud goes down, you have 2 studs just as good ready to go. We aren't there yet...but soon enough we will be. That's what 7 years of lazy sub par recruiting will do to you.
Exactly. I know there are those that are chomping at the bit to get all over the coaching staff in Year 3. They've been prepping us for months that they are not going to accept any "excuses".
This staff looks to be building some depth that we haven't had since TO days. You can see it all come together. No one is saying that we are Alabama at this point in time.
However, in four years this will be one dominant & loaded program. From top to bottom. Riley may or may not go all the way. But whomever takes over will be set. We'll become a coaching destination due to the way that Riley has built this program.
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That's why I laugh at the blotards and run-the-ball guys. Worse case scenario they get what they want, and for the team to fail. Do they want an empty cupboard for the next guy every time they drag their knuckles to the keyboard and crap on recruits with "I will not be impressed until they do it on the field" drivel?
It can't be built from scratch in one year. Even if Saban himself came her for $20 mil a year, he could not get it done. At Nebraska, it's going to take a slower build. If left to his design, Riley will build a solid foundation.
I agree that it cant be built in a year but just because we are getting a ton of talent in no way means we will be really good. Callahan had and left a ton of talent. You can have all the talent in the world and if the coach dont know what to do with it (not saying this staff doesnt but in general) then the talent is wasted.
Callahan was just getting started with his program. He just wasn't a good head coach. He good recruit and call Xs and Os. But talent management was not his forte. I believe he believed he could be successful at NU. Maybe if he would have fired Cosgrove.
But Riley let Banker go after two years and replaced him with what is arguably a known commodity. Diaco was probably one of the most sought after at his level. Kudos Riley for landing him.
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I look forward to signing and getting the 2018 class in pads as a sign of things turning the corner. But the 7 years of subpar recruiting has been followed up by 3 more years of average to subpar classes as well. We are likely to have lost 15% of the total 2017 class and >25% of the 4*s before a single padded practice has occurred. The 2017 class before the attrition was characterized as making progress but at #20 average to maybe slightly above average if we want to become relevant. The 2018 class if there isnt significant attrition is amazing but to characterize Riley's 1st three classes as being significantly better than a Pelini class I think is a misrepresentation.
I am super excited about Diaco and agree kudos to Riley for making a change, but there was no other assistant coach out there that was more of a known commodity to Riley than Mark Banker. Riley had coached with him for greater than a decade. 2 years of stunted progress as result and starting over on defense in year 3.
I agree completely. I would have loved to see what Callahan could have done if he were just an OC or if he would have had the balls to fire some staff members. With the talent he brought in, we could have been very good. Although I do believe that one coach can turn things around instantly. Like (god I cant believe Im saying this) Bo turned around the defense in a single season when he was hired by Frank. Im hoping thats the effect Diaco will have this season. Bo as a DC only could be scary good.
Meh. Bo couldn't recruit even after that '09 squad. How could anyone not start to pull in monster recruiting classes on D after Suh and Prince left is beyond me. After Cally's recruits dried up Bo doesn't look so good. Could Cally be OC and Bo DC on the same team with Riley as HC? We'll never know as all came here as HC. I think that Riley has proven to be the best at the position.
If he can surround himself with those that can help execute his plan. Does he have the talent on staff that can carry that vision out? I'm guessing that Cav gets this year to prove that were making progress or Riley will look for a replacement. What I won't do is spend the entire season bemoaning the man like he's dead man walking. I will wait towards to end of the season to pass judgement. I think our success will only fuel recruiting.
Pretty common, look at past injuries of several Big Ten WRs around the league. Mike Dudak at Illinois, Matt VandeBerg at Iowa; pretty sure both were non contact knee and foot injuries, respectively.
Sucks though.
Sucks though.
This should be the year we start seeing the fruits of this Staff's labor but it is the first year with Riley's system. All recruiting as been built on hopes and dreams and they have done a pretty good job. Now all the recruits will be able to see on tape what we are trying to do. You think WR has been good? Wait until KW can put a tape on and show elite WRs what they will do in this system. Show Micah Parsons how we will use him.
I understand the wanting to see results in the W/L record and being Big Ten title or bust but please.. take a step back and look at it from a 1,000 ft. Perspective, we are building a team that will dominate the Big Ten West. Give it time, I don't wanna win the west in 2017, I wanna establish winning for the next 10-15 years
I understand the wanting to see results in the W/L record and being Big Ten title or bust but please.. take a step back and look at it from a 1,000 ft. Perspective, we are building a team that will dominate the Big Ten West. Give it time, I don't wanna win the west in 2017, I wanna establish winning for the next 10-15 years
Not too many people are expecting a conf title next year. ... Certainly not me. However in year 3 I think it is fair to expect the minimum achieved (9 wins) of the staff you replaced. While no one will be satisfied with a 6-7 win season it is concerning to me that some have made an argument that it would be understandable. For me personally, this coming year, riley and staff are going to have to show me in the W-L column that they are an upgrade or at least the equal of the prior staff (whom I hated). If you look at the last 3 recruiting classes it is hard for me to see a big upgrade in recruiting such that we "dominate the Big West" classes ranked 31,24 and 20 (now minus 3). Everyone wants RILEY to succeed. Nothing would make me happier - he seems like a great guy. I just don't think we have to invent the narrative that prior to the 2018 class we have been killing it on the recruiting trail
So much this. So damn much. People are gonna hate it though, makes too much sense and an homest evaluation.
Jones hurts, but we can and will win 9-10 and then watch the class
If I had to point at what I think was Callahan's biggest issue was, I think I'd say it was staff management.
Goes both ways though. Players still have to develop, and coaches have to get those players up to speed. Nebraska will likely start two former 5.9 Four Stars in Lamar Jackson and Eric Lee. Those two starting corners will be the highest ranked starting duo outside of Columbus.
At some point, players have to produce.
Huh?
I think when we talk about "talent" we are looking at the athletes brought in. You say "it's not as simple as that", implying you understand what I meant, but then... huh?
Obviously it's not "simple". I was merely saying that if I had to pick only one thing, that's what I would have picked. With a better defensive staff, he would have got more than 4 years. You'd be a fool not to see that.
I view staff as part of the talent. I'm agreeing with you. A head coach is a CEO/manager. He has so much more to do than offensive play calling. Us fans may see players as the variables. As a head coach, you'd have to factor the staff as variables as well.
I really think the University is actually finally in a good position business wise. Even if the 2017 season goes absolutely awful (and I don't think it will), Mike will be around in 2018...2018's schedule is going to be ridiculous. No point in bringing in a new coach for that. If Riley is the man for NU football, he will survive 2018. If he's not, he wont. It's really that simple
Also, from a financial stand point and a business stand point, it only makes sense to retain Mike at least thru the 2018 season. Bo's contract buy out will end Feb 2019 and Riley's goes thru Feb 2020. I don't see the school having a full year of 3 head football coaches on the Payroll, so that's why I do not see Riley in jeopardy of losing his job after the 2017 season . Doesn't make sense. So worst case scenario, 2017 & 2018 are bad. The school fires Mike after 2018 season and they have to carry his pay for one more year however will be done paying Bo. Best case scenario, Mike exceeds expectations in 2017 & 2018 and Shawn has to negotiate a contract extension after 2018 with more money in the budget to spend since the liability to Bo will be fully paid off.
I have not been happy with sports programs since Eichorst has been AD as far as performance goes. I dont think anyone can really be happy with the output but at least he seems to be a much better business guy than TO was. At least he has not been giving contract extensions to Riley every year. Bo's seemed to be getting a contract extension ever year and I still do not know why. It was very bad business honestly. Why keep a running 5+ year contract for a coach that isn't winning titles? Seemed way to risky for me and now it's pretty obvious that it was an awful business agreement by the school.
I always wondered why virtually every school said they have to have five years on a head coach's contract. It's dumb. Coaches leave or get fired and contracts often have little to do with it. If Eichorst is refusing an extension for Riley, then good for him.
P.S. The worst extension I've ever seen was Perlman giving Steve Pederson an extension a few months before firing him. People like to say Perlman had good business acumen. If so, it completely went out the window the day he signed off on that extension.
Yep it's time for Eric Lee to produce on the field. Same goes for Alex Davis! Both have tons of ability and don't need to hear any more excuses. Gitter done!
OOOhhh, ok. Sorry.
Yes, the HC's job is definitely the part of CEO. He needs to manage the managers. If he can't do that, he will fail.
Which is why a great coordinator doesn't always make a great HC.
It would've been interesting if Cally had replaced Cosgrove after a couple of years. But he didn't so he's gone.
Something I've always wondered myself.
I think a good example of how your staff matters is Clemson. Nowadays everyone sings praises of Dabo, but year ago he was on a scorching hot seat, and they were in similar shape as Tennessee is right now. Talented and underperforming. Then Dabo hired Venables.
Not to be argumentative but Clemson was coming off an ACC championship in 2011 when Kevin Steele was let go and Venebles was brought in. The 2010 season, is where Clemson struggles to a 6-6 regular season. After that season Dabo went out and got Chad Morris from Tulsa.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Steele thing. Still, he wasn't shy about finding the right guy.
Totally agree that if a guy wasn't working out he made the change. Steele needed to go in order for Clemson to make the jump. I just think Clemson got lucky that Mike Stoops got fired at Arizona. If Stoops doesn't come back to OU, Venebles isn't looking for a job in early 2012.
Venables was on the hot seat that year. They only had three losses but the defense was atrocious. They gave up over 40 three times...all losses. Little brother put up 44 with ease and could have been 60. Not many a tear was shed at the time for Brent. I don't think Mike was thee key factor.
Maybe, but I stand by the comment that he wasn't going anywhere until Mike was fired from Arizona, remembering that Mike was fired from Arizona the weekend OU best Texas 55-17. Then the talk of Mike coming back to OU started. Those three 40 point games were after that.
Forgive me for this: and coach T O made coach Solich head coach. Because he lucked out and was with coach T O ?
. Looking back you were probably right. I still think the issue was more about being anti-Brent rather than pro-mike but your course of events makes sense.
Ok, my original point was basically just that I was not high on Dabo until I saw his ability to juggle his staff. To do well as a HC, the best coaching skills aren't necessarily a requirement, but management skills are.
