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I'm not a lawyer but I'm not sure it's correct that you can't ask for proof of vaccination. I believe a number of private enterprises are requiring either proof of vaccination or proof of negative covid test in order to access their businesses. For example, my understanding is that cruise lines are going to require full vaccination for passengers when they reopen, and a number of colleges are requiring it for students next fall. Certainly difficult and time consuming to administer.
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You are comparing not knowing everything about a virus that was discovered 1.5 years ago to a molecule people have been intensity studying for 60 years.

The reaction to said molecules is the money shot. Not the molecule itself. The medical community is learning everyday more and more about the complex reactions to the injections.

Like I said, thank you to everyone who participated. If no one took part in medical testing we would be up shit creek.
 

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The reaction to said molecules is the money shot. Not the molecule itself. The medical community is learning everyday more and more about the complex reactions to the injections.

Like I said, thank you to everyone who participated. If no one took part in medical testing we would be up shit creek.

The mRNA vaccine is composed of lipid nanoparticles that resemble our own phospholipids, which have been studied for decades. They fuse with our cell’s membrane, which is something people have known is capable of doing for years. Then it has a piece of mRNA in it, which again has been studied for 60 years.

I am not saying that we know 100 percent what is going on (I would be out of a job if knew everything about the immune response). But you are acting like we have zero clue what is going on and we are just winging it. Which again is not correct at all.
 

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What about kids that are high risk? Is that okay in your book?

As for the misdiagnosed to COVID, that theory would hold water if the testing numbers for influenza were lower than previous years. But instead it is actually higher this year (~1.6 million tests) vs the three previous years (1.1-1.3 million). Additionally, the number of people classified to die from heart disease in 2020 was the same as in previous years so that point is moot as well.







Forgive if I don't trust the numbers. I know for a FACT about 3 people close to my family that died and were classified as covid. Strange BS thing was covid did NOT kill them.
 
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I'll just assume you didn't know this, but the Yankees took the J&J vaccine which does not use mRNA.

I'll also assume maybe you didn't know that even vaccinated you can still test positive, even though you're very likely to be asymptomatic (like the Yankees were except one). But your symptoms and viral load are significantly lower and risk of severe (or life threatening) response is statistically zero (not actually zero but so small it's basically zero).

I'll also assume you didn't know that even though it doesn't apply here, mRNA has been tested and developed for decades and doesn't actually "alter" anything in you except to cause you to generate natural antibodies.
weird you say that, one of my customers works in a vaccine lab and that's just not true from what he told me. He won't even get that vaccine. But hey, do what you want
 

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again, masks don't work on virus's
they learned that in 1918
the virus is 25x smaller than what your mask can filter
might as well wear a basketball net on your face
 
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Im still not vaccinated. I’m a 31 year old healthy man. I don’t see a reason to take up doses from people who truly need it at this point. I may get one in early July or so. Depends on if there’s a supply issue or not.
You can do it by now without hurting the supply, as I know at least one poster has already let you know since I'm jumping in many days later than this post.
I spoke with attorneys at a law firm and asked them why they never wore masks in the building. Their response was...mask mandates are not enforceable under the law. They indicated if an entity brought a suit, they would win every time. Request of ID to sell alcohol is not asking someone about their "health status". Which you can't do under the law.
Was this Lin Wood's law firm?
I am in the process of manufacturing within my body the superior NATURAL IMMUNITY. Unfortunately it does not come with a Pfizer batch number so it does not count as immunity.
How did it go for you? Feeling better yet? I don't know if natural or immunization immunity is better or lasts longer, and I don't think the data is in but I've been wrong before.

How in the world did this one go so long without getting relegated to the open scrolls? I'm replying at page three.
 

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The mRNA vaccine is composed of lipid nanoparticles that resemble our own phospholipids, which have been studied for decades. They fuse with our cell’s membrane, which is something people have known is capable of doing for years. Then it has a piece of mRNA in it, which again has been studied for 60 years.

I am not saying that we know 100 percent what is going on (I would be out of a job if knew everything about the immune response). But you are acting like we have zero clue what is going on and we are just winging it. Which again is not correct at all.


I better understand this discussion now.

My stance is from an outside perspective. Not being in the weeds allows me to pass off your confidence in the vaccine and see the risk for what it is.

In every failure there is a group of people in the weeds who have 1000s or tens of thousands of hours in the research that guaranteed success.

Then when the failure occurs, we hear the same excuses. Failure is expected and is a part of success. Obviously if we can skip failure that's a bonus.

It could be the greatest vaccine ever produced. It doesn't matter.

Risk vs reward.

Risk from covid = 0

Reward from vaccine = 0 (I have antiboidies)

Risk from vaccine = greatest. Statistically this whole event can be categorized with the below statements (from a pure statistics/insurance/underwriters stand point)

Vaccine = new application of tech. Not proven. Short tracked standard approval procedures. Long term studies incomplete.

I have little use of the developing scientist's opinion. The 3rd party research, tracking, and verification of vaccine results is all I care about. We won't have the data I'm interested in for 2-3 years.

If I'm 65 or immune compromised, I'm getting the vaccine on day 1. I would also be interested in the scientists opinion.
 

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I'm in a dilemma at my workplace.

I drive clients to and from appointments and certain day programs across Lincoln. I'd say most of them got the Covid shot back in January/February but I'm dealing with clients that are coughing and hacking away. I'm not sure if they are actually sick with something or have a tickle in their throat. Most of them don't wear masks inside my van.

Wearing the mask has helped me not get sick for quite some time. I do take it off when I have no one in the van with me.
A cloth mask is not helping you in any material way in your van. You can believe wearing a cloth mask has helped you, but correlation does not equal causation. The virus is aerosolized and the mask is not slowing it down. Any virus they have or you have is in constant circulation in your vehicle and is going through your mask like piss through a screen door. Turning on the heat or AC and cracking a rear window would do more to protect you.
 

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This is the very rhetoric used in Russian, China, Venezuela. All tyrannical regimes make people give up their god given rights to freedom for "the greater good". We still live in a constitutional republic. it is still up to the individual to get the vaccine. Not you or the government. If it saved one life, would you stay in your house for the rest of your life for "greater good."
Believe it or not, there was a time in the country when the greater good mattered. Read Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation. Now, a good deal of this country has turned into a bunch of I’ll-do-whatever-the-hell-I-want individualists who care more about their personal ‘freedoms’, regardless of how their behavior affects others and impact on society. Beacuse to think that way is ‘Socialist.’
 

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Believe it or not, there was a time in the country when the greater good mattered. Read Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation. Now, a good deal of this country has turned into a bunch of I’ll-do-whatever-the-hell-I-want individualists who care more about their personal ‘freedoms’, regardless of how their behavior affects others and impact on society. Beacuse to think that way is ‘Socialist.’
I think it has more to do with the fact that we've all been taken for a ride and two weeks turned into 14 months. Don't call me or most Americans selfish because we're exhausted with the arbitrary restrictions and the bar being moved up and down every few weeks for political gains like they did with our football season and lives. I'm as conservative as they come but I also did my part with mask in public and 10 hours a day at work. God forbid people wanna go back to normal and try to get our country back on track the way it was in 2019. Like I've told your types before, if you wanna be safe you should just stay inside and use caution before because the shoe doesn't fit every person in this situation and I wish that would have been addressed sooner.
 

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I think it has more to do with the fact that we've all been taken for a ride and two weeks turned into 14 months. Don't call me or most Americans selfish because we're exhausted with the arbitrary restrictions and the bar being moved up and down every few weeks for political gains like they did with our football season and lives. I'm as conservative as they come but I also did my part with mask in public and 10 hours a day at work. God forbid people wanna go back to normal and try to get our country back on track the way it was in 2019. Like I've told your types before, if you wanna be safe you should just stay inside and use caution before because the shoe doesn't fit every person in this situation and I wish that would have been addressed sooner.
I’m through with it now too, and want to get back to normal asap. That’s why I got the vaccine. I don’t think you were taken for a ride. This is/was a public health crisis, and anyone who thinks otherwise should talk to a nurse who worked in completely overrun IC units. There was one way through this thing, with people working together to slow the spread and get vaccinated. By doing the opposite, it’s just prolonged it. I haven’t heard any plausible alternative from those opposed to masking/ vaccines.
But at this point, I’m vaccinated and will live accordingly. To those who won’t, have fun, and caveat emptor.
 

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Isn't Nebraska only like 35% fully vaccinated? Seems like its a bit premature for businesses to end mask mandates without proof of vaccination, but it's obviously up to them.
It's probably time to bring back the scarlet letter!

Can you imagine how many people have already lost their little white card which btw, can be easily gotten fraudulently. The brain trusts that put this thing together forgot about proper proof of vaccination.

I'm in state 48, AZ, and the only places recently I was required to wear a mask is for a haircut and dentist. The last 3 restaurants over the weekend were no mask.
 

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No one can explain why a wife won't get it from her husband.
Certainly they could

We have no idea why children are so tolerant of it (many theories obviously, anyone can guess)
Ok, why do they have to know that to vaccinate against it?

We have zero clue where it came from.
Um China?

We have no idea why some have no symptoms and others die.
Ok, but why do we have to know that? We know the factors that increase risk, just like most other diseases?

Yet we claim to know everything about mRNA
Nobody claims that, but it is well studied for sure.

Working in the Nuclear industry I know one thing. Man has and always will make mistakes in droves. When we think we know everything, we wake up one day and find an entire new layer exists.
So because some science has been wrong in the past, all science is wrong in the future

I forgot the name of the prenatal drug that ended up causing birth defects.
Are you talking about Thalidomide? Used in the 50s and 60s for birth defects? And you're equating that to a modem vaccine that's been studied for decades and now has been administrated 1.5B doses?

Again, thank you for taking part in an experimental vaccine.
Lol 1.5B doses proven safe. I'd say that's some pretty substantial data to rely on

I trust man and our perceived knowledge far less than most. I work with man's mistakes for a living.
At some point you have to stop living in fear
 

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How did it go for you? Feeling better yet? I don't know if natural or immunization immunity is better or lasts longer, and I don't think the data is in but I've been wrong before.
I'm not sure. I was exposed at least one week ago and have been continually exposed all week by being quarantined with (and not isolating from) a definite Covid case. Only thing I've had that I could call a symptom is a little fatigue. I'm not vaccinated and didn't have antibodies coming into this, but tested negative.
 

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I better understand this discussion now.

My stance is from an outside perspective. Not being in the weeds allows me to pass off your confidence in the vaccine and see the risk for what it is.

In every failure there is a group of people in the weeds who have 1000s or tens of thousands of hours in the research that guaranteed success.

Then when the failure occurs, we hear the same excuses. Failure is expected and is a part of success. Obviously if we can skip failure that's a bonus.

It could be the greatest vaccine ever produced. It doesn't matter.

Risk vs reward.

Risk from covid = 0

Reward from vaccine = 0 (I have antiboidies)

Risk from vaccine = greatest. Statistically this whole event can be categorized with the below statements (from a pure statistics/insurance/underwriters stand point)

Vaccine = new application of tech. Not proven. Short tracked standard approval procedures. Long term studies incomplete.

I have little use of the developing scientist's opinion. The 3rd party research, tracking, and verification of vaccine results is all I care about. We won't have the data I'm interested in for 2-3 years.

If I'm 65 or immune compromised, I'm getting the vaccine on day 1. I would also be interested in the scientists opinion.

So somehow being someone who studies this type of stuff puts me at a disadvantage? It is amazing how people rationalize their thoughts. It would be like my saying that I am never going to hire a plumber to fix my water because they know too much about plumbing.
 

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A cloth mask is not helping you in any material way in your van. You can believe wearing a cloth mask has helped you, but correlation does not equal causation. The virus is aerosolized and the mask is not slowing it down. Any virus they have or you have is in constant circulation in your vehicle and is going through your mask like piss through a screen door. Turning on the heat or AC and cracking a rear window would do more to protect you.

And that's what I've been doing in my van. There's only two windows I'm able to roll down which does help air out the van. Even slightly rolling down the window in the winter time helps out as well.
 
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So somehow being someone who studies this type of stuff puts me at a disadvantage? It is amazing how people rationalize their thoughts. It would be like my saying that I am never going to hire a plumber to fix my water because they know too much about plumbing.
I think it's more akin to a 1990s homeowner not trusting a plumber's opinion on those new flexible PEX lines and asking him to install good old fashioned copper pipes instead. The plumber might believe - and have great evidence to believe - the PEX lines are superior, but the homeowner knows more about copper and feels more comfortable with it because he has had copper pipes in the past and they have been around forever. PEX = vaccine immunity, copper = natural immunity

I wouldn't have installed PEX in my house in 1990 - even if the world's leading expert on PEX was sure it was just as good as copper or better - simply because it was untested at that point. I'd absolutely install it in 2021.
 

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weird you say that, one of my customers works in a vaccine lab and that's just not true from what he told me. He won't even get that vaccine. But hey, do what you want
And there are doctors who believe that infertility is caused by women having sex with demons in their dreams.
 

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I could certainly understand if someone didn't want to be a part of the trials.

I could certainly understand if someone didn't want to take it in December after it got EUA.

But now we've got mountains of data proving the (extremely rigorously studied) hypothesis. 1.5B shots in arms. Something would be blasting alarm bells if there was legit concern about this. You don't have that kind of data about very many vaccines before you take it.

And here's the funniest thing of all, the pfizer/Moderna vaccines are some of the most effective in history. For real. A lot of vaccines that hit 50-60% efficacy are considered good.

The best hit 80-90% and we're at 95%.

mRNA is the future of vaccines, especially for respiratory viruses. We're at the beginning of a sea change of modern vaccinations. They're significantly easier to manufacture (distribution is still tricky, sure) and it's going to open the doors to stop a lot of horrible diseases.
 

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I think it's more akin to a 1990s homeowner not trusting a plumber's opinion on those new flexible PEX lines and asking him to install good old fashioned copper pipes instead. The plumber might believe - and have great evidence to believe - the PEX lines are superior, but the homeowner knows more about copper and feels more comfortable with it because he has had copper pipes in the past and they have been around forever. PEX = vaccine immunity, copper = natural immunity

I wouldn't have installed PEX in my house in 1990 - even if the world's leading expert on PEX was sure it was just as good as copper or better - simply because it was untested at that point. I'd absolutely install it in 2021.

Personally, I would go with the expert, as I don’t know shvt about plumbing. I didnt go to pluming school, and I don’t do it every day of my life. So I’m not gonna pretend that I am an expert.

Secondly, your analogy would only work if the PEX had a 0.00001 percent chance of leaking, and copper had a 1 percent chance of leaking (which I am referring to significant symptoms in leaking). And then the copper lines that leak then have the ability to spread the leaks to other houses with copper lines vs the PEX pipes.
 

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Believe it or not, there was a time in the country when the greater good mattered. Read Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation. Now, a good deal of this country has turned into a bunch of I’ll-do-whatever-the-hell-I-want individualists who care more about their personal ‘freedoms’, regardless of how their behavior affects others and impact on society. Beacuse to think that way is ‘Socialist.’
Comparing WWII to a virus with a 99% survival rate without a vaccine is ludicrous. I know their are more than 50 peer reviewed studies that clearly say masks don't work. In fact, there is a study that just came out in the last couple weeks that proves this as well. It actually indicates that wearing masks is harmful to your health. The "Greater Good" is the communist playbook. You can have your own opinion, but you cannot have your own facts.
 

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I could certainly understand if someone didn't want to be a part of the trials.

I could certainly understand if someone didn't want to take it in December after it got EUA.

But now we've got mountains of data proving the (extremely rigorously studied) hypothesis. 1.5B shots in arms. Something would be blasting alarm bells if there was legit concern about this. You don't have that kind of data about very many vaccines before you take it.

And here's the funniest thing of all, the pfizer/Moderna vaccines are some of the most effective in history. For real. A lot of vaccines that hit 50-60% efficacy are considered good.

The best hit 80-90% and we're at 95%.

mRNA is the future of vaccines, especially for respiratory viruses. We're at the beginning of a sea change of modern vaccinations. They're significantly easier to manufacture (distribution is still tricky, sure) and it's going to open the doors to stop a lot of horrible diseases.

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I do have to admit that not getting sick for 14 months has been pretty nice. I might wear a mask during flu season when I'm going to crowded indoor places.. The airport. Public transit. Not sure, though. Probably won't. But, I can't blame someone for doing so. I get liking not getting sick.
 

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Comparing WWII to a virus with a 99% survival rate without a vaccine is ludicrous. I know their are more than 50 peer reviewed studies that clearly say masks don't work. In fact, there is a study that just came out in the last couple weeks that proves this as well. It actually indicates that wearing masks is harmful to your health. The "Greater Good" is the communist playbook. You can have your own opinion, but you cannot have your own facts.

Firstly, I don’t even know if there are 50 papers looking at masks and their effectiveness. Regardless, the majority that have come out over the last year have largely supported them being effective. There have been numerous studies looking at filtration of different droplet sizes, with most showing the cloth masks have some effectiveness of blocking droplets (albeit there is a range of effectiveness seen from paper to paper). Then several papers linking mask mandates with either faster slowing down the curve faster than those that didn’t, or slowed the progression of the curve.

I understand this argument a year ago, when there was limited data. But at this point the majority of the data supports masks. Again, they are not perfect, nor are they the only answer.



 

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Personally, I would go with the expert, as I don’t know shvt about plumbing. I didnt go to pluming school, and I don’t do it every day of my life. So I’m not gonna pretend that I am an expert.

Secondly, your analogy would only work if the PEX had a 0.00001 percent chance of leaking, and copper had a 1 percent chance of leaking (which I am referring to significant symptoms in leaking). And then the copper lines that leak then have the ability to spread the leaks to other houses with copper lines vs the PEX pipes.
You gave a bad analogy, I gave a slightly less bad one on the reasoning behind choosing copper. It's not meant to perfectly illustrate all the complexities we're dealing with here.
 

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If I’m sick I’m going to wear a mask in public, also maybe during flu season. I don’t mind it at all. I don’t consider it a political or liberty issue.