Damn. Was hoping my Vikes would pick up Farmer.[/QUOTE. ]He mentioned just a try out with Colts, then one with Texans
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Damn. Was hoping my Vikes would pick up Farmer.[/QUOTE. ]He mentioned just a try out with Colts, then one with Texans
Pelini inconsistently brought in a few NFL caliber defensive players and amazingly Barney developed some guys in to NFL O linemen. We just didn't recruit much elite talent.There is a stat floating around right now on Pelinis last 40 plus recruits at Nebraska and its astonishing at how bad of shape he left the program in.
Its stunningly stupid that Morgan was not drafted.
Some people in this thread are trying to sound smart and say "yeah Im not surprised" and "husker fans are idiots" yadda yadda. But thats not true at all.
I dont even think the MR bashing is appropriate as far as breaking the streak goes, (although it would be nice to have more talent.)
The fact is that Stanley Morgan has two 1000 yard years under his belt.
He was decorated by the Big 10 conference.
He is the most productive receiver in Husker history, which isnt saying much but you have to remember we have had other recievers drafted recently.
He has good size and strength by NFL standards and also gives effort blocking.
He was highly regarded as a big play threat and draft worthy player by Pro Football Focus, usually a reliable NFL guide.
He was not only invited to the combine, but did well and definitely didnt do anything poor.
There were receivers with worse athletic measurements than his drafted.
Morgan was without a doubt worthy of a pick in rounds 4-7. Im stunned and left wondering if theres something off the field or said in the interview room that we dont know.
And this isnt just husker homerism. I have been surprised with other huskers being drafted in the past.
Its not a consipiracy. Its stupid.It's a deep state conspiracy.
The reality is every single NFL team passed on him. One would have to say they all know something or don't know anything.
People need to take off the rose tinted glases. Stanley and Devine aren't special talents. They are good football players but in the NFL those are a dime a dozen. They are taking guys based on upside who have high ceilings or guys that they know about from their buddies in college football. Stan's scouting report was he's just a guy, theres nothing special about him. He's not tall, he doesn't have blazing speed he's not an explosive route runner, he's not all that hard to bring down. He's a good football player. That's not what the NFL is looking for deep in the draft.
Daniels maybe. Barry late 6 or 7 rounds or free agent. The Davis twins? Unless people are seeing something that I don't, not drafted. Daniels has the best chance depending on his play next year. There is a good chance that we will have no one drafted again next year. It should pick up in 2021.Barry, the Davis twins, Daniels
The Davis twins have been a major disappointment to me. I had visions of them dominating by their junior year, but it hasn't happened.Daniels maybe. Barry late 6 or 7 rounds or free agent. The Davis twins? Unless people are seeing something that I don't, not drafted. Daniels has the best chance depending on his play next year. There is a good chance that we will have no one drafted again next year. It should pick up in 2021.
The Davis twins have been a major disappointment to me. I had visions of them dominating by their junior year, but it hasn't happened.
People need to take off the rose tinted glasses. Stanley and Devine aren't special talents. They are good football players but in the NFL those are a dime a dozen. They are taking guys based on upside who have high ceilings or guys that they know about from their buddies in college football. Stan's scouting report was he's just a guy, theres nothing special about him. He's not tall, he doesn't have blazing speed he's not an explosive route runner, he's not all that hard to bring down. He's a good football player. That's not what the NFL is looking for deep in the draft.
The Davis twins have been a major disappointment to me. I had visions of them dominating by their junior year, but it hasn't happened.
I was reading a scouting report on him. That was the biggest area of concern, the drops. Even when not contested. Im sure most NFL teams are like. If a kids can't hold on to the ball at this point in their career the NFL isn't going to change that.There were LOTS of strange draft picks IMO. That said, I posted last year that Stan would have been an UNFA. It doesn't surprise me all that much this year. He's got average speed at best for a guy his size and he has had too many mind blowing inexcusable drops on video. NFL guys don't miss those. I think he'll sign somewhere and probably make a practice squad.
Exactly. NFL is looking for talent and upside. Jackson has that in spades but hasnt produced at all. Stanley Jean Baptiste was a 2nd rounder for basically this reason. I dont know if he's ever even started in the NFL. Teams look at him and think wow we can turn him into the next Sherman. They are grasping at straws throwing crap against the wall and see what sticks. Its not about being 1000 yard WR or RB its about helping Billion dollar franchises win games.Most talented WR certainly but still not up to NFL standards. Lamar Jackson is probably the most talented guy on the team. Depending on what Jackson puts on video this year, he could be an early round pick next spring.
The NFL draft is not a "TRUE" representation of your college teams talent because the NFL does not draft on talent alone.
Iowa sucks.
If Stan were some dynamic playmaker as this scout suggests he would have been picked. Stan is a good player and we have been lucky to have him these past 4 years. But wake up and smell the coffee man, Nebraska's talent is not on par with the rest of the B1G right now. I'm confident Scott can fix that problem but after that evaluation this weekend and this last season it's very clear Nebraska is not measuring up in terms of recruiting and talent development and that should scare the hell out of all of us.Here’s ESPN scouting on Stan Morgan Jr...
“Pre-Draft Analysis
Morgan Jr. is a versatile receiver with experience lining up on the outside and the inside. He's a natural hands catcher and he's smooth getting in and out of breaks. He tracks the deep ball well and he's got enough speed to stretch the field. He looked like more of a threat after the catch in 2017 than he did in 2018.”
Just a tiny bit different then your view of him.
Here’s ESPN scouting on Stan Morgan Jr...
“Pre-Draft Analysis
Morgan Jr. is a versatile receiver with experience lining up on the outside and the inside. He's a natural hands catcher and he's smooth getting in and out of breaks. He tracks the deep ball well and he's got enough speed to stretch the field. He looked like more of a threat after the catch in 2017 than he did in 2018.”
Just a tiny bit different then your view of him.
I love Stanley Morgan. I love his attitude. I loved that he stuck around. I loved how hard he competed. I did NOT love some of his inexplicable drops one of which cost us an EASY TD and a win this past year. NFL scouts do NOT miss those inexplicable drops on game film. I don't know if it was a lack of concentration at times or what but he had too many drops the past 2 years for most NFL teams to consider drafting him. Maybe he gets in a camp and proves he can catch the ball consistently and sticks. I hope so. He seems like a really good guy but us loving a guy has no bearing on what NFL teams think about him. He made some spectacular catches at times but man those drops killed his draft potential. Just the way it is. He'll go down as a great Husker.Its stunningly stupid that Morgan was not drafted.
Some people in this thread are trying to sound smart and say "yeah Im not surprised" and "husker fans are idiots" yadda yadda. But thats not true at all.
I dont even think the MR bashing is appropriate as far as breaking the streak goes, (although it would be nice to have more talent.)
The fact is that Stanley Morgan has two 1000 yard years under his belt.
He was decorated by the Big 10 conference.
He is the most productive receiver in Husker history, which isnt saying much but you have to remember we have had other recievers drafted recently.
He has good size and strength by NFL standards and also gives effort blocking.
He was highly regarded as a big play threat and draft worthy player by Pro Football Focus, usually a reliable NFL guide.
He was not only invited to the combine, but did well and definitely didnt do anything poor.
There were receivers with worse athletic measurements than his drafted.
Morgan was without a doubt worthy of a pick in rounds 4-7. Im stunned and left wondering if theres something off the field or said in the interview room that we dont know.
And this isnt just husker homerism. I have been surprised with other huskers being drafted in the past.
SJB keeps getting signed then cut. The Ravens just resigned him in March I think. He's had some injury issues and has bounced around but he has to be getting closer to that pension. He originally signed a 3.57M dollar contract with a 970k signing bonus with New Orleans out of college. I would say it worked out for him.Exactly. NFL is looking for talent and upside. Jackson has that in spades but hasnt produced at all. Stanley Jean Baptiste was a 2nd rounder for basically this reason. I dont know if he's ever even started in the NFL. Teams look at him and think wow we can turn him into the next Sherman. They are grasping at straws throwing crap against the wall and see what sticks. Its not about being 1000 yard WR or RB its about helping Billion dollar franchises win games.
I read that he had some dropped passes at the combine. That certainly didn’t help him either.I love Stanley Morgan. I love his attitude. I loved that he stuck around. I loved how hard he competed. I did NOT love some of his inexplicable drops one of which cost us an EASY TD and a win this past year. NFL scouts do NOT miss those inexplicable drops on game film. I don't know if it was a lack of concentration at times or what but he had too many drops the past 2 years for most NFL teams to consider drafting him. Maybe he gets in a camp and proves he can catch the ball consistently and sticks. I hope so. He seems like a really good guy but us loving a guy has no bearing on what NFL teams think about him. He made some spectacular catches at times but man those drops killed his draft potential. Just the way it is. He'll go down as a great Husker.
If I remember correctly he dropped the first ball thrown to him.I read that he had some dropped passes at the combine. That certainly didn’t help him either.
It's far from a perfect science. Football doesn't have sabermetrics the way baseball and basketball do. A lot of guys are undervalued and underrated due to a number of different reasons someday Football will have a Bill James come along and change everything.I’ll throw this out there and call it ironic if you may, but in 1962 when the last time Nebraska didn’t have a player drafted Mick Tingelhoff comes too mind, he was not drafted out of Nebraska and he ended up playing 17 years in the NFL never missing a game and in 2015 was elected to the NFL hall a fame...
How someone like Tanner Lee gets drafted over a receiver that had 1000 yards his Junior and Senior year is beyond me..But it shows just because you weren’t drafted doesn’t mean your not going to make it in the NFL..Mick proved other wise..
There were LOTS of strange draft picks IMO. That said, I posted last year that Stan would have been an UNFA. It doesn't surprise me all that much this year. He's got average speed at best for a guy his size and he has had too many mind blowing inexcusable drops on video. NFL guys don't miss those. I think he'll sign somewhere and probably make a practice squad.
I would bet there is a pretty good correlation between team success in college and the number of nfl draft picks they produce.
Focused on the big ten - OSU has had the most picks in 2019 and 2018
in a 2014 -2017 analysis that awarded points based on which round a player was selected
round 1 - 7 points
round 2 - 6 points ,,etc
OSU ended up with 158 pts .. the next "closest" was 88 points
NFL talent matters just like stars matter ... arguing to the contrary are just attempts to make one feel better about their team who doesn't produce NFL talent or recruit 4 and 5 star players
I'll await the inevitable list of exceptions to the rule that talent doesn't matter
Quincy did have average speed for a WR. I think he ran a 4.58? The difference was that Q was a monster to go with the speed. Big kid with a tremendous football IQ and attitude. He would decleat people on special teams and NFL scouts notice that kind of stuff. One of my favorite Huskers and at the time I called him the best "football player" on the Husker team. Depending on what weight he was at, he could have played multiple positions for us on offense or defense. Linebacker, safety, WR, TE maybe. Great player.
You say "NFL talent" matters, I say "Talent" matters.
I agree with you that a lot of teams that are great in college have a lot of NFL talent, but there are teams that don't have a lot of NFL talent on their roster but are yet very good. Look at Purdue, not a single player taken in the NFL draft yesterday yet they went to a bowl and beat Nebraska. Again I agree with you in principal that "Talent" matters. NFL is all about ceiling & fitting into their specific system of certain height, weight, speed, and athleticism.
IMO I would take a good football player over a good athletic person. It is football that they are playing. Just my .02
Quincy did have average speed for a WR. I think he ran a 4.58? The difference was that Q was a monster to go with the speed. Big kid with a tremendous football IQ and attitude. He would decleat people on special teams and NFL scouts notice that kind of stuff. One of my favorite Huskers and at the time I called him the best "football player" on the Husker team. Depending on what weight he was at, he could have played multiple positions for us on offense or defense. Linebacker, safety, WR, TE maybe. Great player.
Stanley is not nearly as physical as Enunwa was coming out of college. I didn't say he was small but he's not a big receiver either. Q was 6-2 and 225 with roughly the same speed as Stanley. He was an accomplished blocker and a very good special teams player with big hands.I don't disagree with what you say. But Stanley is not small. He made many big catches and holds some Nebraska receiving records. I love Quincey (even if I wasn't a Jet fan). But Morgan had 74 more receptions and 1.,200 more yards while both played four year. Admittedly, Morgan played three years with pass happy Mike Riley.
.Exactly. NFL is looking for talent and upside. Jackson has that in spades but hasnt produced at all. Stanley Jean Baptiste was a 2nd rounder for basically this reason. I dont know if he's ever even started in the NFL. Teams look at him and think wow we can turn him into the next Sherman. They are grasping at straws throwing crap against the wall and see what sticks. Its not about being 1000 yard WR or RB its about helping Billion dollar franchises win games.
No it doesn’t. If the Governor signs the law, you can go to Iowa to bet on over-under passing yards for Martinez. Husker fans will flock to Iowa this fall.
Slightly above average does not make an NFL player.
You say "NFL talent" matters, I say "Talent" matters.
I agree with you that a lot of teams that are great in college have a lot of NFL talent, but there are teams that don't have a lot of NFL talent on their roster but are yet very good. Look at Purdue, not a single player taken in the NFL draft yesterday yet they went to a bowl and beat Nebraska. Again I agree with you in principal that "Talent" matters. NFL is all about ceiling & fitting into their specific system of certain height, weight, speed, and athleticism.
- What Frost is looking for in a wide out is a lot different than what most "NFL Pro-style" offenses are looking for.
- What Frost is looking for in a quarterback is different than what most NFL teams are looking for. (NFL values arm strength over almost everything; Frost values accuracy & timing)
IMO I would take a good football player over a good athletic person. It is football that they are playing. Just my .02
below is the pre draft analysis of the last WR taken in round 7 - some dude from Colorado State that no one has heard of -
Pre-Draft Analysis
Johnson is a smooth route runner who flashes the ability to separate from underneath man coverage, finds pockets in zone looks and keeps working to get open when the initial play breaks down. He has slightly below-average length but big hands, and he catches almost everything he gets his hands on. He's tough over the middle and fights for yards after the catch.
after the draft ESPN still had 18 other WRs ranked ahead of Morgan as undrafted free agents -- the analysis of the WR ranked just ahead of him
Pre-Draft Analysis
Lodge is a natural hands catcher with a wide radius and good body control. He's not the most explosive or fluid route-runner but he changes speeds and tempos his routes well. He doesn't have the second gear to take the top off the coverage and is not an explosive open-field runner.
after the top WRs they are all pretty generic evals
I must admit that I would have rather had my Vikes take Morgan than the 2 WRs they did take in the 7th round. Spielman got to see Stanley up close on multiple occasions and decided to pass on him.I think people are over-analyzing this regarding Stanley Morgan. First, let's remember that he's far from the first player we've ever had that seemed to be good enough to get drafted but didn't. He's just getting more attention now because our draft streak ended and he seemed to be our best chance to keep it going. In addition, I think it's highly unfair to him to be suggesting that there is something nefarious in his background that kept him from being drafted without any real such evidence. I also think that suggesting that it's obvious that he wasn't draft-worthy simply because he wasn't drafted is simplistic. Could that be true? Sure. But just the mere fact that he wasn't drafted doesn't thus make it true. There have been plenty of situations where somebody was successful that wasn't drafted. Maybe he was draft worthy and maybe he wasn't. He has a free agent deal and has a chance to prove himself. How he does in the future will determine whether he was draft-worthy or not.