2018 Cade Beresford from The state of Washington. 6'7" 250 3 star on 247 and Scout, not ranked on Rivals. Was at the first FNL and received an offer.
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New OT offer extended.
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I love getting OL in with great frames without the fat yet. 6'4" and 320 lbs as a senior, to me, in high school means the guy hasn't worked as hard as he needed to and has bad weight already.
The formula has certainly worked for Ferentz, Morgan, Ferentz...
The formula has certainly worked for Ferentz, Morgan, Ferentz...
I agree.... better to be extremely picky with that scholarship. There is a lot of time between now and signing day. So much can change.
While basically every other spot has progressed to being able to battle the elites in recruiting, O-line recruiting is still in the mentality of "under the radar recruits" and still has the stigma that we can't recruit with the big boys, so we go after next tier guys & hope they develop. Not holding my breath that that will ever change under Cav.
I'm not going to argue that we are on the list of every or even half the 4 and 5 star OL.
However, I will remind you all that the number of 4 and 5 star OL is disproportionate to the number of positions on the field. I believe there were about 50-53 total OL that were rated 4 or 5 stars in the 2017 class. That just isn't a ton of players when you consider it is 5 positions out of 11 on the offensive side of the ball. A proportional amount of 4 or 5 star OL would be in the 140-145 range. OL numbers were 50-53 out of 320-330 total 4 and 5 stars or 17%. 5 out of 11 players on the field is 45%. So 144 of 320 4 and 5 star players would be 45%
According to 247 composite, Nebraska landed the following
44th best OT in Jaimes
100th best OT in Walker
46th best OG in Sichterman and
54th best OG in Bando.
However, I will remind you all that the number of 4 and 5 star OL is disproportionate to the number of positions on the field. I believe there were about 50-53 total OL that were rated 4 or 5 stars in the 2017 class. That just isn't a ton of players when you consider it is 5 positions out of 11 on the offensive side of the ball. A proportional amount of 4 or 5 star OL would be in the 140-145 range. OL numbers were 50-53 out of 320-330 total 4 and 5 stars or 17%. 5 out of 11 players on the field is 45%. So 144 of 320 4 and 5 star players would be 45%
According to 247 composite, Nebraska landed the following
44th best OT in Jaimes
100th best OT in Walker
46th best OG in Sichterman and
54th best OG in Bando.
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"Cav is fine... he's focusing in on his top guys. Sometimes you get a couple per cycle that like what they hear from you, and sometimes not as many. With Stille moving down to DE they may keep Walker at OT for this year making depth less of a concern. And there's going to be multiple guys that blow up their senior year that we can get in on."
Posted by another boards insider. Just passing along.
Posted by another boards insider. Just passing along.
Weren't we in on the #1 OT prospect in the country up until signing day last year?
I think OL recruiting is pretty hard to project.
It is. I think we have to let it play out on the field.
To date Cav has had 2 OL in the Rivals 250 (Raridon/Farniok) and 1 in the Top 150 (Barnett).
By comparison, Parella's best recruit is Guy Thomas, and I don't think he was in the Rivals 250, and he was around #450 in the 247 Top 500. While we love old John now, several folks were getting the pitchfork out after it appeared very late last cycle we might not have *any* DL commits after having four in the bag from very early on. Take the whinging from the board with a grain of salt.
"RSr: Knevel
RJr: Farmer, Foster, Gates, Conrad
RSo: Decker, Barnett, Gaylord
RFr: Brokop, Raridon, Wilson, Farniok
TFr: Bando, Jaimes, Sichterman, Walker"
Look at the youth movement, Cav's career is going to be decided by development, not finding the next Orlando Pace and hoping he's here for 2018.
You are referring to Sarell. I don't believe we were. I rarely have any inside info but in this case I have some. The kid and family really loved Cav but academics were a very, very high priority. He was going to Stanford the second he got an offer. We were in his top 3 but there was never, ever any doubt where he was going. The kid and family are very nice - almost too nice to be completely upfront with our staff about their chances of him attending Nebraska. I believe we put a lot of eggs in that basket when we really had almost zero chance of landing the kid which resulted in a late offer that was a reach
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We didn't over reach for Sarrell IMO. We still went after two realistic candidates who we landed and would have taken someone like Filiaga in addition if he wanted N. we also got a nice instate pickup on a kid who could play either side of the ball
The only scary moment with regard to OT recruiting last year was when Herman got the TX job and offered Jaimes and we as a fan base didn't know if he would bolt.
Take a look at the competing offers. Is that really the level where we want to compete? We have issues with OL recruiting.
WSU only offered like three days ago. I doubt we are this kids last offer.
“Washington is starting to show some interest too,” Beresford said. “I’m excited about that. I’ll be talking to the o-line coach [Scott Huff] a lot. He has actually stopped by and visited.”
"Just last season, Beresford weighed 215 pounds. During basketball season he looked to be about 235 but with good mobility in the paint. Now at 255 pounds, his potential on the gridiron is immense. The reality of recruiting is that if he was already at 280 pounds, every BCS powerhouse school would be banging down his door. "
“He’s got great potential,” Maxwell added, “Pac-12 schools have him high up on their boards.”
http://www.nwnews.com/index.php/spo...-interest-from-nebraska-washington-and-others
Glad we're still doing our own evaluations myself. Hate to let a kid like this get away if we can get in on the ground floor
"Just last season, Beresford weighed 215 pounds. During basketball season he looked to be about 235 but with good mobility in the paint. Now at 255 pounds, his potential on the gridiron is immense. The reality of recruiting is that if he was already at 280 pounds, every BCS powerhouse school would be banging down his door. "
“He’s got great potential,” Maxwell added, “Pac-12 schools have him high up on their boards.”
http://www.nwnews.com/index.php/spo...-interest-from-nebraska-washington-and-others
Glad we're still doing our own evaluations myself. Hate to let a kid like this get away if we can get in on the ground floor
I will be shocked if he does not jump all over the NU offer. Why not? It is a huge outlier for him.
We are not even in the same universe of thinking on these things. We need to move way past finding diamonds in the rough and development players if we want to compete at the highest levels. Who is on deck for 2019? I have seen nothing promising. Cav keeps reaching for players, and you have to ask why.
Since when was taking a kid and putting 25lbs on him in 2 years "reaching". If you don't believe NU can do that with Boyd at the helm, we're in trouble.
For nearly half a century that was our MO.
In the words of my boy Rodgers R-E-L-A-X ..talk about the sky is falling/I need something to complain about summer message board...smh. OT with a Bball background with good feet (which is what an OT needs). The kid is still growing and has a big frame. I'm going to trust in our coaches not some Wahoo from Wahoo, NE fixated on star rankings. Congrats Cade, we'd love to have you in Red!
Sorry. But, by that definition, we can create great linemen out of any average player. If it were that easy, why did he not get offers from other significant P5 teams? Just watch some of the video of Rivals and other camps and check out the highly-recruited linemen dominating. Let's start with them and then develop them further. But to get them, you need a coach that is a highly capable recruiter. With the most recent offer, I have seen enough to conclude we do not have one. I fully expect that HCMR will make a move at the end of the year.
Farnoik was a 3 star? Not a top 250 guy. Our you maybe referencing like a Jr ranking or something.
Hey some solid guys to work with for Cav, but he's got to prove he can do it. It's his year to do that.
I'm not as worried about JP. Last year was his first real recruiting cycle ever. He's getting big time guys looking at us. I think he'll eventually land some. He's shown promise. I don't see Cav getting the type of looks JP is. Maybe neither is landing them but the fact JP gets looks from these types of guys gives him a better chance of doing so.
Though no one will come out and say it, a large part of the reason no one is worried about JP is because he's one of us.
Even Tightline pointed out a whole "who's who" of OL who have looked at NU in the past couple of cycles and ultimately said "no thanks".
Whereas for Cav we bemoan that's not "getting it done", we are apparently thrilled that JP can do it as it shows promise. The bottom line is, recruiters on either side of the line have gotten Husker hopes up over guys like Sarrell and Shelvin, only to be left reeling in 3* type of kids and the occasional 4*.
This year is a somewhat strange recruiting year for OL I will say. We wanted an interior guy, but Will Farniok was basically N last year. We also want a tackle, but for the one slot we do not appear to want to offer 25 kids for that slot. Perhaps the most noteworthy higher profile kid is Traore and we made his top 7.
Which I don't bring up JP to bash the guy's performance. I'm very happy with the job he's doing. I really hope his little book of DL secrets helps bring in Parsons with Bray. I bring up JP, because where the rubber hits the road, by the numbers his guys are in the same tier as Cav's recruits, and in at least a couple of cases, less than Cav's recruits, yet we don't have a thread every other day "fully expecting Riley to make a move on JP at the end of the year".
I'm not wedded to either guy, if Riley needs to make a move on one or both, so be it.
When we hired this staff, we knew that they'd be out front in offering some guys a lot of fans initially would be like WTF from a ranking perspective. One of their strengths is ID-ing these types of folks. So we're going to have to let them do it. One year it was POB. Then it was Deontre Thomas and Robert Porcher. (Thomas moved up nearly *700* spots in the 247 composite). Now its apparently this kid.
I think the fact that Peterson is having his guys talk to this kid, as well as a good chunk of the rest of the Pac 12, is enough evidence for me that this is not a case of putting 25lbs on a farm kid who has no clue how to play the game.
Bohl is also another guy that knows how to build lines, and yes he's at Wyoming right now, but he left his comfort zone to get on a plane to Seattle to offer this kid first.
Don't count me in the group that gives JP a free pass because he is a former Husker. I just do not believe it is fair to assess his performance yet. I also do not believe we hired Riley to continue what he was doing at Oregon State. The assumption is that, if we give him resources and brand, he would do much better. He has done that by hiring and paying for WR and DB coaches who can both recruit and teach at a high level. I also think Langsdorf has done a high-level recruiting job at QB. I would judge Bray "hold" on buy/sell/hold. In my opinion, Davis is trending toward "sell".
One other thing popular response when a poster challenges the quality of our recruiting is to claim the poster is "star gazing". It is not star gazing to judge recruiting success based upon wins over competition at the highest level. It's easier to recruit guys where NU is the standout offer; but it also means that we are not competing against our desired peer group. I recently heard Matt Vrzal explain that NU needs to have at least two all conference players on each side of the ball every year in order to compete against OSU, PSU and Michigan. That means recruiting at a high level, and building depth with others who must be developed. Some like to think that the Huskers of years past did not have highly-recruited linemen. Not true. Zach Wiegert and Will Shields are two examples of linemen where NU had to compete hard against the highest level peer group.
You should listen to Vrzal more carefully. Vrzal is usually a guy yucking it up and taking fans like you to task when it comes the panic over OL/DL recruiting. He's much more in the camp that lines are built, not born and there are great players to be found even late in the cycle. (You'll note that it is not late in the cycle yet).
I would also point out that "needs 2 All-Conference caliber players on both sides of the ball" can be satisfied without any lineman being in that group (although that is unlikely over the long haul).
You are using the wrong standard, IMHO. It is just not fair to include JP in the conversation for any purpose as he is too new to NU and too new to P5 coaching. I would not have hired JP for those reasons. But the decision was made and you have to give him a little time. The standard should be the Williams duo, as they have shown what it takes to recruit at the highest level using the Husker brand and limitations. That doesn't mean that we expect every coach to meet that standard. But if you figure out the secret sauce, you are crazy not to use it.
Please try and resist the temptation to get personal with comments like "you should listen more". It just degrades the conversation. I agree with you that Vrzal believes in old school player development. I do too. But he firmly believes we need to recruit at a high level as well.
For point of comparison the top OT in Washington in MJ Ale. He is a 3 star and holds offers from many Pac 12 schools.
Cade has only been evaluated by one service, but as of right now on the composite he is ahead of MJ by 200 slots nationally even though he lacks the offers. It'll be interesting to see how the other services rate him (likely 3* as well). Like I said, I expect more offers to come in before this is all done.
The biggest difference between the Hudl film on both players is that Ale is a big ole Polynesian kid who already has 60lbs on Cade.
It would appear that if we are willing to build the kid up, he's a pretty good player.
Cade has only been evaluated by one service, but as of right now on the composite he is ahead of MJ by 200 slots nationally even though he lacks the offers. It'll be interesting to see how the other services rate him (likely 3* as well). Like I said, I expect more offers to come in before this is all done.
The biggest difference between the Hudl film on both players is that Ale is a big ole Polynesian kid who already has 60lbs on Cade.
It would appear that if we are willing to build the kid up, he's a pretty good player.
He does, but he goes on air specifically deflate the argument you are making. This panic that we are being left behind.
Its probably notable to point out that Keith Williams and Donte Williams had a combined 1 year P5 experience when they joined the staff. More excuses for JP?
Either you trust the coaching evaluation and development or you don't. But for some reason people are making a big deal over offering a "3 star" kid.
You guys know that teams like Alabama offer "2 star" kids? It must be that you care more of what someone on the internet thinks of a kid than your own coaching staff.
You guys know that teams like Alabama offer "2 star" kids? It must be that you care more of what someone on the internet thinks of a kid than your own coaching staff.
Check the bold... I decided to do a little digging.
Barnett, gaylord, raridon, farniok, and Jaimes all had offers from the following schools:
Alabama, auburn, Florida, Florida state, Oklahoma, Texas, penn State, Michigan, Stanford, ucla, just to name a few.
Are those the peer groups you are talking about that we need to win recruiting battles against?
All the talk here is educational and interesting and helps me get through the doldrums between the last FNL and start of fall camp. However, I will be at the Oregon game and the ability/inability to run the ball and pass block for Lee will pretty much tell me everything I need to know about how I feel about Cav in year 3. Especially since OU will have that graduate transfer from Clemson, Pagano on the DL.
Yes, they are the peer group I am looking for. And if this year and the outlook for 2019 continued in that manner, I would conclude differently about Cav. It has not. Jaimes was the outlier in a class of four OLs. This year was another disappointment. And I do not see the type of prospect pipeline for 2019 and beyond that we need to see developing in order to land a good class each year.
I havent taken the time to read these back and forth arguments. Could you supply a list of " 2 star kids" that Alabama has offered? When you say "like Alabama" you are not talking many teams.
For me it is faulty thinking to say that it boils down to coaching evaluation only and then player development. The better the player comimg out of HS the less development is needed. Everyone wants those players. Could it be that we have exhausted options of those athletes rated higher?
