Nebraska did good keeping Frost, possible assistant coaches

[redwine65]

It was too turbulent to go coach hunting this year..
and whoever we got, there would be a lot of complaining...
plus next years games are alot easier, (I think)
(but I wonder how they couldn't fit penn state on our schedule this year?
was there a mixup in the big ten office?)

so here's what we got...

costals coach as oc & qb coach (with his transfer qb) or maybe lsu's oc
bears raiola as oline coach (with his nephew as qb recruit)
mickey as wr coach and recruiting coordinator (there's been rumor about this before the twitter clout chaser)
bill bush or ricky brumfield possible special teams coach.
this just leaves a rb coach

I'm ok with these picks, I just wanted to start a thread I can keep track of the rumored possible candidates
and see if it's even close to what we get.

 

[pgainey]

Which defensive assistant is getting fired?

you have 11 asst coaches in your scenario - you only get 10

 

[huskerfan66]

It was too turbulent to go coach hunting this year..
and whoever we got, there would be a lot of complaining...
plus next years games are alot easier, (I think)
(but I wonder how they couldn't fit penn state on our schedule this year?
was there a mixup in the big ten office?)

so here's what we got...

costals coach as oc & qb coach (with his transfer qb) or maybe lsu's oc
bears raiola as oline coach (with his nephew as qb recruit)
mickey as wr coach and recruiting coordinator (there's been rumor about this before the twitter clout chaser)
bill bush or ricky brumfield possible special teams coach.
this just leaves a rb coach

I'm ok with these picks, I just wanted to start a thread I can keep track of the rumored possible candidates
and see if it's even close to what we get.

It'll work

 

[huskerfan66]

Which defensive assistant is getting fired?

you have 11 asst coaches in your scenario - you only get 10

Shhhhh. Keep that quiet. We don't need another ncaa violation

 

[HuskerDrew]

I will be on record saying I won’t complain about who the next coach is… I don’t care who, I’ll give him a chance… he will be far better than ginger Jesus mister 36%er
I am not happy about keeping the current loser but understand we can’t do much about that.
I don’t know who will be available next year but we won’t get any big name, we need to luck out and find an up and comer no one knows about.

 

[redwine65]

Which defensive assistant is getting fired?

you have 11 asst coaches in your scenario - you only get 10

well how many can we hire as of right now?

 

[pgainey]

well how many can we hire as of right now?

4
you have the 5 def assistants and Beckton that have been retained as of now

 

[redwine65]

I will be on record saying I won’t complain about who the next coach is… I don’t care who, I’ll give him a chance… he will be far better than ginger Jesus mister 36%er
I am not happy about keeping the current loser but understand we can’t do much about that.
I don’t know who will be available next year but we won’t get any big name, we need to luck out and find an up and comer no one knows about.

I'd like our coach to be God fearing...
it's would be hard to coach without objective truth...if they were a nihilist you would have to argue about the definition of everything. and if the transcendental argument isn't true you couldn't even have a snap count. everyone would be lost in solipsism..but I get you, some can be a bit too palagian.

 

[redwine65]

4
you have the 5 def assistants and Beckton that have been retained as of now

ok mickey gets a raise and the rb's too (the two lb coaches seem kinda overkill, but I don't want to touch the d)

better yet the special teams coach could be the rb coach too, because who better to return a punt then a sure handed rb, frost can help out on that too. he needs to be personally involved in that...especially getting a guy who can hit field goal and extra points...

 

[oldjar07]

Which defensive assistant is getting fired?

you have 11 asst coaches in your scenario - you only get 10

I'd expect Dawson would be out the door if we got a ST coach.

 

[oldjar07]

It was too turbulent to go coach hunting this year..
and whoever we got, there would be a lot of complaining...
plus next years games are alot easier, (I think)
(but I wonder how they couldn't fit penn state on our schedule this year?
was there a mixup in the big ten office?)

so here's what we got...

costals coach as oc & qb coach (with his transfer qb) or maybe lsu's oc
bears raiola as oline coach (with his nephew as qb recruit)
mickey as wr coach and recruiting coordinator (there's been rumor about this before the twitter clout chaser)
bill bush or ricky brumfield possible special teams coach.
this just leaves a rb coach

I'm ok with these picks, I just wanted to start a thread I can keep track of the rumored possible candidates
and see if it's even close to what we get.

It's turbulent every year. Next year will be no different. The only difference is more of our talent will be depleted, and we'll have a much harder time attracting a coach.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

It was too turbulent to go coach hunting this year..
and whoever we got, there would be a lot of complaining...
plus next years games are alot easier, (I think)
(but I wonder how they couldn't fit penn state on our schedule this year?
was there a mixup in the big ten office?)

so here's what we got...

costals coach as oc & qb coach (with his transfer qb) or maybe lsu's oc
bears raiola as oline coach (with his nephew as qb recruit)
mickey as wr coach and recruiting coordinator (there's been rumor about this before the twitter clout chaser)
bill bush or ricky brumfield possible special teams coach.
this just leaves a rb coach

I'm ok with these picks, I just wanted to start a thread I can keep track of the rumored possible candidates
and see if it's even close to what we get.

Trev is starting to look like a genius with this move. Nebraska would have been a loser competing with the other schools with openings.

 

[dand84]

Trev is starting to look like a genius with this move. Nebraska would have been a loser competing with the other schools with openings.

As opposed to what year? This happens every year.

 

[StoneTempleHusker]

As opposed to what year? This happens every year.

Not really.

2019 P5 New Hires: Ole Miss, Rutgers, Florida State, Washington, Missouri, Boston College, Arkansas

2020: P5 New Hires: Tennessee, Texas, Auburn, Arizona, Illinois, South Carolina

2021 P5 New Hires thus far: Virginia Tech, LSU, Notre Dame, USC, TCU, Washington, Florida, Washington State, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech

 

[tpmcg]

Trev is starting to look like a genius with this move. Nebraska would have been a loser competing with the other schools with openings.

i think it was mostly due to lack of for funding buyouts.
regardless, we need to be ok with guys who can coach, but might not be the sexy hire.

 

[HuskerMania257460]

Trev is starting to look like a genius with this move. Nebraska would have been a loser competing with the other schools with openings.

Trev wanted Frost gone. Politics kept him here.

We definitely wouldn’t have been able to get a top tier guy this go around. But there are plenty of mid tier guys that turn out to be good coaches.

Yes it’s a bigger risk, but right now it looks like we’re settling for a slump buster 2 because we couldn’t pull a 10.

I’d be happy to eat my words and see Frost turn it around but 4 years of data doesn’t look good.

 

[wkato]

It's turbulent every year. Next year will be no different. The only difference is more of our talent will be depleted, and we'll have a much harder time attracting a coach.

Not near as bad as this year!

 

[Husker Sledge]

I'd expect Dawson would be out the door if we got a ST coach.

I think Dawson is fine. Just not a special teams coach.

 

[redfanusa]

There are going to be major openings at P5 programs every year.

With that said, I am no longer a fan of the revolving door approach. it has not worked. What Nebraska needs is consistency. Get a good staff in place and give them time to build the program back up. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Scott Frost is the right guy for the job. You need an intelligent person with a clear vision of what they want to accomplish, and the leadership skills to achieve it. I see none of that from Frost.

 

[dinglefritz]

Trev is starting to look like a genius with this move. Nebraska would have been a loser competing with the other schools with openings.

We probably would have been banging heads with Washington for Fresno's coach. I don't think we would have even won that battle. I've said it since it for weeks, Trev probably made a logical move in keeping Frost while trying to fix the problems with our OL and QB coaching. I really think we could have and maybe should have kept Lubick unless Frost thought he had to go. Held surprised me but there seemed to be some dysfunction in that RB room.

 

[dinglefritz]

There are going to be major openings at P5 programs every year.

With that said, I am no longer a fan of the revolving door approach. it has not worked. What Nebraska needs is consistency. Get a good staff in place and give them time to build the program back up. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Scott Frost is the right guy for the job. You need an intelligent person with a clear vision of what they want to accomplish, and the leadership skills to achieve it. I see none of that from Frost.

I agree with your opinion on the coaching revolving doors but I think Frost has/had the vision. It hasn't worked so far due some shortcomings by a couple of his staff and specialists. I never was a Mario fan. Ever. I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't getting it done. Austin I'll defer to people who know O line coaching better than I do. Some of the problem there was youth at OT IMO but people who I think know more than me say a lot of it was coaching.

So you give Frost time to grow in the position and you try to help him hire better assistants. The problem probably is that Moos didn't encourage this 2 years ago. Now with a one year ultimatum for Frost I think it's tougher to hire new assistants. I'm afraid we probably should have kept Lubick but that's just my feeling.

 

[oldjar07]

Not really.

2019 P5 New Hires: Ole Miss, Rutgers, Florida State, Washington, Missouri, Boston College, Arkansas

2020: P5 New Hires: Tennessee, Texas, Auburn, Arizona, Illinois, South Carolina

2021 P5 New Hires thus far: Virginia Tech, LSU, Notre Dame, USC, TCU, Washington, Florida, Washington State, Oklahoma, and Texas Tech

LSU, USC, Washington, and Florida all went after guys we would have had zero interest in anyway. Oklahoma and Notre Dame were very late to the party. Heck they might not even be targeting the same guys we want. We should be able to out-compete any of those other schools for our top choice.

 

[tpmcg]

is an oc just a title at this juncture?
should scott just let verducci stay put, hire a wr coach (these must be a dime a dozen), and promote busch to special teams coach?

 

[oldjar07]

Not near as bad as this year!

Not one school has went after the same pool of coaches we would be in the market for.

 

[dinglefritz]

LSU, USC, Washington, and Florida all went after guys we would have had zero interest in anyway. Oklahoma and Notre Dame were very late to the party. Heck they might not even be targeting the same guys we want. We should be able to out-compete any of those other schools for our top choice.

So who is THE "top choice"? Therein lies the problem. The "top choice" for Fred was to try to let one of our own fix the problems in the program. IF it works we're in good shape for the next 2 decades. If it doesn't, we've saved 9 million and will start over next winter.

 

[dinglefritz]

Not one school has went after the same pool of coaches we would be in the market for.

Washington hired the guy that would have been the most logical unless we chased Herman. Herman who has failed at Texas with all of their talent and resources or the Fresno coach who has a weaker resume than Frost had. Yeah, those are top choices. Fickell isn't leaving Cinci.

 

[oldjar07]

There are going to be major openings at P5 programs every year.

With that said, I am no longer a fan of the revolving door approach. it has not worked. What Nebraska needs is consistency. Get a good staff in place and give them time to build the program back up. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Scott Frost is the right guy for the job. You need an intelligent person with a clear vision of what they want to accomplish, and the leadership skills to achieve it. I see none of that from Frost.

Noone wants a revolving door approach. The whole point is to pick the right coach in the first place which we haven't come close to doing in 20 years. We didn't even try with the Callahan or Riley picks. The Nebraska AD has been entirely incompetent for two decades now. Until that changes, the revolving door isn't going to change.

 

[scarletred]

Washington hired the guy that would have been the most logical unless we chased Herman. Herman who has failed at Texas with all of their talent and resources or the Fresno coach who has a weaker resume than Frost had. Yeah, those are top choices. Fickell isn't leaving Cinci.

I’d say Herman didn’t fail at texass.. Why would have TA gone after Kalen Deboer?

 

[oldjar07]

So who is THE "top choice"? Therein lies the problem. The "top choice" for Fred was to try to let one of our own fix the problems in the program. IF it works we're in good shape for the next 2 decades. If it doesn't, we've saved 9 million and will start over next winter.

Mullen is my top choice. He has one of the better offensive minds in all of college football. Herman would be a good choice for similar reasons. Offer Fickell, Campbell, or Aranda a nice salary bump and I'm sure you can at least pique their interest a bit. Bill O'brien or Joe Brady would be solid options too. All of these guys are a hell of a lot better than Frost.

 

[dinglefritz]

I’d say Herman didn’t fail at texass.. Why would have TA gone after Kalen Deboer?

He was probably the best lower tier coach out there right now. We could have gotten him for less than we paid Frost probably and he's recruited and coached successfully in the B1G albeit as an assistant. His offenses put up good numbers at Indiana and they fell apart after he left.

NU's best chance for success IMO is to find a young OC who can do what DeBoer did for Indiana. Clearly it appears the combination of Mario and Lubick wasn't drawing in top QB recruits. Hopefully the next OC and QB coach can bring somebody with them and hopefully we name those guys before signing day.

 

[oldjar07]

Washington hired the guy that would have been the most logical unless we chased Herman. Herman who has failed at Texas with all of their talent and resources or the Fresno coach who has a weaker resume than Frost had. Yeah, those are top choices. Fickell isn't leaving Cinci.

You back nothing but losers and failures, but you want to call Herman a failure who had a pretty good record and wasn't even given a fair shot? If Cincinnati is left out of the CFP after an undefeated season, you think that would be a pretty strong indication he has hit his apex at that particular school and isn't going any further as long as he's there.

 

[oldjar07]

He was probably the best lower tier coach out there right now. We could have gotten him for less than we paid Frost probably and he's recruited and coached successfully in the B1G albeit as an assistant. His offenses put up good numbers at Indiana and they fell apart after he left.

NU's best chance for success IMO is to find a young OC who can do what DeBoer did for Indiana. Clearly it appears the combination of Mario and Lubick wasn't drawing in top QB recruits. Hopefully the next OC and QB coach can bring somebody with them and hopefully we name those guys before signing day.

Frost is the OC and always will be as long as he's the head coach.

 

[dinglefritz]

Mullen is my top choice. He has one of the better offensive minds in all of college football. Herman would be a good choice for similar reasons. Offer Fickell, Campbell, or Aranda a nice salary bump and I'm sure you can at least pique their interest a bit. Bill O'brien or Joe Brady would be solid options too. All of these guys are a hell of a lot better than Frost.

Mullen couldn't recruit to Florida. Let that sink in. We weren't going to outbid Baylor for Aranda. Baylor's booster base is far beyond ours. Fickell is a strong pass for me. Herman is the one guy I could have lived with and maybe he could have been had. He likely would have gotten you your 8 wins. Campbell wasn't leaving ISU for NU. He'll be there until he retires IMO. Frost's buyout coupled with Campbell's buyout with ISU I think would have totaled near 30 million (including buying out our assistants). Billie O no way. Joe Brady has never been a head coach. He wasn't leaving the NFL for Nebraska. No way. So that leaves you with Herman. Obviously we've all forgotten some of the baggage Herman has. I'm not sure he was a long term solution but I would have given him a shot.

You guys keep forgetting to include in your numbers what we have to pay to buyout a guy like Fickell's or Campbell's current school.

 

[dinglefritz]

Frost is the OC and always will be as long as he's the head coach.

Good. He's a damned good one.

 

[oldjar07]

Mullen couldn't recruit to Florida. Let that sink in. We weren't going to outbid Baylor for Aranda. Baylor's booster base is far beyond ours. Fickell is a strong pass for me. Herman is the one guy I could have lived with and maybe he could have been had. He likely would have gotten you your 8 wins. Campbell wasn't leaving ISU for NU. He'll be there until he retires IMO. Frost's buyout coupled with Campbell's buyout with ISU I think would have totaled near 30 million. Billie O no way. Joe Brady has never been a head coach. He wasn't leaving the NFL for Nebraska. No way. So that leaves you with Herman. Obviously we've all forgotten some of the baggage Herman has. I'm not sure he was a long term solution but I would have given him a shot.

You guys keep forgetting to include in your numbers what we have to pay to buyout a guy like Fickell's or Campbell's current school.

You're full of shit he couldn't recruit to Florida. He recruited just fine to Florida and brought in one of the more talented freshman qb's in the country in Anthony Richardson. Before Aranda, Baylor routinely had some of the lowest coaching salaries in P5. They wouldn't want to get into a bidding war to keep him. Campbell's buyout is one way. If he leaves, his buyout would be much smaller, the source I found is $4 million. Once again, you have to make up a bunch of crap to support your argument that isn't even true. Why is that, maybe it's because you know your argument sucks otherwise?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

It was too turbulent to go coach hunting this year..
and whoever we got, there would be a lot of complaining...
plus next years games are alot easier, (I think)
(but I wonder how they couldn't fit penn state on our schedule this year?
was there a mixup in the big ten office?)

so here's what we got...

costals coach as oc & qb coach (with his transfer qb) or maybe lsu's oc
bears raiola as oline coach (with his nephew as qb recruit)
mickey as wr coach and recruiting coordinator (there's been rumor about this before the twitter clout chaser)
bill bush or ricky brumfield possible special teams coach.
this just leaves a rb coach

I'm ok with these picks, I just wanted to start a thread I can keep track of the rumored possible candidates
and see if it's even close to what we get.

We can revisit this when next year is a shit show(again) because of the man in charge of the program.

 

[dinglefritz]

You're full of shit he couldn't recruit to Florida. He recruited just fine to Florida and brought in one of the more talented freshman qb's in the country in Anthony Richardson. Before Aranda, Baylor routinely had some of the lowest coaching salaries in P5. They wouldn't want to get into a bidding war to keep him. Campbell's buyout is one way. If he leaves, his buyout would be much smaller, the source I found is $4 million. Once again, you have to make up a bunch of crap to support your argument that isn't even true. Why is that, maybe it's because you know your argument sucks otherwise?

What was Baylor dealing with before Aranda? How quickly you forget. Baylor has very deep pockets if they want for their football coach. There is absolutely no excuse for not being in the top 5 in recruiting at Florida. None. His 2022 class was ranked 45th when he was fired this fall.

 

[dinglefritz]

You're full of shit he couldn't recruit to Florida. He recruited just fine to Florida and brought in one of the more talented freshman qb's in the country in Anthony Richardson. Before Aranda, Baylor routinely had some of the lowest coaching salaries in P5. They wouldn't want to get into a bidding war to keep him. Campbell's buyout is one way. If he leaves, his buyout would be much smaller, the source I found is $4 million. Once again, you have to make up a bunch of crap to support your argument that isn't even true. Why is that, maybe it's because you know your argument sucks otherwise?

Campbell's new buyout in his new contract is 9.4 million. That doesn't include buyouts for Frost's or Campbell's assistants. Keep trying. Add what Frost's buyout this year would have been plus his assistants plus Campbell's and you end up over 30 million. Fickell's buyout is 4 million. Add that to Frost's and his assistants and you're up over 25 million. I know that's pocket change for you....

 

[JaySker402]

well how many can we hire as of right now?

4. Replacements for Lubick, Held, Austin, Mario.

Its possible that we move either Dawson or Ruud to ST, and have a GA help with the LB spot as well.

Primary focus would be Special Teams, Chin/GA would handle the LB spot

 

[leodisflowers]

What was Baylor dealing with before Aranda? How quickly you forget. Baylor has very deep pockets if they want for their football coach. There is absolutely no excuse for not being in the top 5 in recruiting at Florida. None. His 2022 class was ranked 45th when he was fired this fall.

I put that mouth breather on ignore. I've never seen a person more clueless about sports.