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nelsonj22

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Yes, importing millions of low skill workers is good for a country. 🤡

Or maybe it creates lower wages for blue collar workers, pressure on the social safety net, and a greater disparity in wealth.
Nope they actually benefit the country sorry. Our economy would collapse if they all left tomorrow, and we would no longer be the top world power.

Money controls the world, USA currently has the most, thanks in part to illegals.

 

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You keep talking BUT you still say nothing. Can't back up your claims????

Your posts on this board, along with about 10 to 15 other posters posts here, say all that is needed. You can just look through the posting history of yourself and about 15 others and see the imbalance. So if you wanna see why, go back through the posting history.
 

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Your posts on this board, along with about 10 to 15 other posters posts here, say all that is needed. You can just look through the posting history of yourself and about 15 others and see the imbalance. So if you wanna see why, go back through the posting history.
Once again, you use a lot of words to say nothing. If you don't have the cajoles to clarify your point--then just admit your just another slime slamming Lib.
 
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Once again, you use a lot of words to say nothing. If you don't have the cajoles to clarify your point--then just admit your just another slime slamming Lib.

I mean, this post you made, literally sums it all up.

You think you are some sort of know-it-all. The other "side", which you love to make it a black or white thing instead of many levels of grey.... the other "side" is comprised of terrible people and only you and those on the far right who think like you are True Americans or some such crap. GTFO with that bullshit.

I am mostly conservative leaning, but land in the middle at this point politically. I would like to see the Repub party purge itself of the divisiveness that has engulfed it. I think many Repub politicians would like that also, but they can't as they will be ostricized/cut out by the radical right.

And I haven't said his name yet, but I will now. Gump. Gump really lit the fire on that gas soaked stack of kindling that fuels this divisiveness and extremism to one side. He basically cut the grass and made it open to show true colors. The extremists flocked to that. But overall, I believe there are far more leaning towards the middle than this extremist root that has taken over the Repub party than they want to admit.

And that is not to say that the far left is not also unbalanced - it is. That schism of the Blue party is also off their collective rockers, but they still aren't the extremist right.
 

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What far right? The country has lurched hard to the left. Need details.

You are 100% spot on with this. If you think the country has turned far-right you are clueless. Trying to secure borders is a basic need of a country and hasn't been championed only by far-right people. If you said you identified as a Socialist in the 1980's the public would have looked at you as a border-line traitor to the country.
 
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I mean, this post you made, literally sums it all up.

You think you are some sort of know-it-all. The other "side", which you love to make it a black or white thing instead of many levels of grey.... the other "side" is comprised of terrible people and only you and those on the far right who think like you are True Americans or some such crap. GTFO with that bullshit.

I am mostly conservative leaning, but land in the middle at this point politically. I would like to see the Repub party purge itself of the divisiveness that has engulfed it. I think many Repub politicians would like that also, but they can't as they will be ostricized/cut out by the radical right.

And I haven't said his name yet, but I will now. Gump. Gump really lit the fire on that gas soaked stack of kindling that fuels this divisiveness and extremism to one side. He basically cut the grass and made it open to show true colors. The extremists flocked to that. But overall, I believe there are far more leaning towards the middle than this extremist root that has taken over the Repub party than they want to admit.

And that is not to say that the far left is not also unbalanced - it is. That schism of the Blue party is also off their collective rockers, but they still aren't the extremist right.

The extreme left is way larger than the extreme right. I mean like Antifa, Oath clowns and buggalo idiot type people. Reporters praise Antifa and don't for the far-right groups.
 
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I mean, this post you made, literally sums it all up.

You think you are some sort of know-it-all. The other "side", which you love to make it a black or white thing instead of many levels of grey.... the other "side" is comprised of terrible people and only you and those on the far right who think like you are True Americans or some such crap. GTFO with that bullshit.

I am mostly conservative leaning, but land in the middle at this point politically. I would like to see the Repub party purge itself of the divisiveness that has engulfed it. I think many Repub politicians would like that also, but they can't as they will be ostricized/cut out by the radical right.

And I haven't said his name yet, but I will now. Gump. Gump really lit the fire on that gas soaked stack of kindling that fuels this divisiveness and extremism to one side. He basically cut the grass and made it open to show true colors. The extremists flocked to that. But overall, I believe there are far more leaning towards the middle than this extremist root that has taken over the Repub party than they want to admit.

And that is not to say that the far left is not also unbalanced - it is. That schism of the Blue party is also off their collective rockers, but they still aren't the extremist right.
Ronald Reagan to Jimmy Carter "Here we go again...". What on earth did you just blabber about? What SPECIFICALLY are you jabbering about? The fact that you constantly mention far left and far right seems to indicate the only one who knows the Right way to do things is you. I can only assume that you are a charter member of WOKE and the Cancel Culture cults. Nothing to brag about.
 

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Ronald Reagan to Jimmy Carter "Here we go again...". What on earth did you just blabber about? What SPECIFICALLY are you jabbering about? The fact that you constantly mention far left and far right seems to indicate the only one who knows the Right way to do things is you. I can only assume that you are a charter member of WOKE and the Cancel Culture cults. Nothing to brag about.

Waste of time to reply to you. Talk about spewing drivel. Bye.
 

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I mean, this post you made, literally sums it all up.

You think you are some sort of know-it-all. The other "side", which you love to make it a black or white thing instead of many levels of grey.... the other "side" is comprised of terrible people and only you and those on the far right who think like you are True Americans or some such crap. GTFO with that bullshit.

I am mostly conservative leaning, but land in the middle at this point politically. I would like to see the Repub party purge itself of the divisiveness that has engulfed it. I think many Repub politicians would like that also, but they can't as they will be ostricized/cut out by the radical right.

And I haven't said his name yet, but I will now. Gump. Gump really lit the fire on that gas soaked stack of kindling that fuels this divisiveness and extremism to one side. He basically cut the grass and made it open to show true colors. The extremists flocked to that. But overall, I believe there are far more leaning towards the middle than this extremist root that has taken over the Repub party than they want to admit.

And that is not to say that the far left is not also unbalanced - it is. That schism of the Blue party is also off their collective rockers, but they still aren't the extremist right.

Trump was a response to 50 years of attacks. Republicans hate minorities, children, old people ....
The division has been coming from the left since I have been alive. You are astonishingly unaware.
 
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All the time and still smarter than the shit stains.
Lol. You don't even understand the argument. I don't think you are capable of having a discussion. But hey, you can certainly call people names.

Question: To the point of this thread, what is a country?
 

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Wow is right. Median income would be a much more valuable indicator than GDP.
Yeah thats illegals fault and not a historical issue with unchecked capitalism and the failed projects of "trickle down"
 
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Lol. You don't even understand tha argument.
Yes you are saying I talk without intelligence, I'm say that is true and I'm still smarter than you dumb fvcking trumpers.
 

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Yeah thats illegals fault and not a historical issue with unchecked capitalism and the failed projects of "trickle down"

Lol. Take a look at California. Rampant poverty, and a huge disparity in the standard of living.

I will try another question. What do you think capitalism is?
 
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Lol. Take a look at California. Rampant poverty, and a huge disparity in the standard of living.

I will try another question. What do you think capitalism is?
So the fact that the majority of red states receive the most federal welfare means nothing?

Texains take more than Californians.



Don't worry I was shocked Texas was suckling the teet more than Cali too.
 

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Don't worry I was shocked Texas was suckling the teet more than Cali too.
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You do like to jump around. Again, what is capitalism?
 

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So the fact that the majority of red states receive the most federal welfare means nothing?

Texains take more than Californians.



Don't worry I was shocked Texas was suckling the teet more than Cali too.
Thats as a percentage of general revenue. Comparing a state with zero income tax to a state with a top rate of 18%. I have no idea where California or Texas rank in a meaningful measurement but this one sucks.
 
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Thats as a percentage of general revenue. Comparing a state with zero income tax to a state with a top rate of 18%. I have no idea where California or Texas rank in a meaningful measurement but this one sucks.
The federal tax rate is samsies in all states correct?

It just saying between states and fed, Texas is more dependant on the feds than Cali.

Now like 98% of me argueing with ya I'm sure your right and gonna hit with how that state tax effects the fed dependence.


Sorry getting prove wrong is how I learn 🤕
 

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Don't worry I was shocked Texas was suckling the teet more than Cali too.


You do like to jump around. Again, what is capitalism?
Capitalism in its purest form is 100 free market. No restriction, no price caps, no restricting price increases in a disaster. And no restriction on who you can sell you products too.

In capitalism an objects worth is directly tied to what someone is willing to pay. Price gouging be dambed.

Capitalism is great except for life sustaining/saving things.

Capitalism says that chopper ride toa hospital can be 50k or a million dollars.

Really we haven't been a full capitalistic country for quite some time.
 

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The federal tax rate is samsies in all states correct?

It just saying between states and fed, Texas is more dependant on the feds than Cali.

Now like 98% of me argueing with ya I'm sure your right and gonna hit with how that state tax effects the fed dependence.


Sorry getting prove wrong is how I learn 🤕
Governmental accounting has different funds. Each fund is like a seperate set of books. For example one fund is sales tax. Sales tax is a special revenue fund. The state sets what the sales tax revenue can be spent on and each state can be different. They can't just spend it however they want though like income taxes. Each state has different taxes as you probably know. Different fuel tax rates, etc. Many of which are special revenue funds.

Income tax goes in the general fund. The general fund is kind of the catch all and as an over generalization is used to support the other funds.

There's different types of federal funds going to the states. Money for military bases, grants for specific projects, you could even have a case where a non profit gets a federal grant. That money would go in the state where the nonprofit is located and out to the non profit. Nothing the state government used but they record the in and out separately for additional tracking. Then you get into medicaid, food stamps and other individual assistance. Same situation where its an in and out.

So all of these federal funds that are spread among different state funds. Everything is budgeted so the expected revenues are put in and accordingly expected expenses.

I'm too lazy to look these numbers up specifically so let's just make up numbers as an example.

California and Texas receive 100 billion in federal funds during the year. California has the highest income tax rate in the country. Texas doesn't have income tax. The two states could both have 500 billion in overall revenue but Texas has 300 billion in special revenue and 200 billion in general revenues. California being the opposite. 300 general 200 special.

Your chart would say Texas receives 50% of it's general revenue and California is 33.3% of its general revenue. Bottom line it's a nearly pointless chart that provides no information on how well the states managed their finances or how dependent they are on federal funds.
 
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Governmental accounting has different funds. Each fund is like a seperate set of books. For example one fund is sales tax. Sales tax is a special revenue fund. The state sets what the sales tax revenue can be spent on and each state can be different. They can't just spend it however they want though like income taxes. Each state has different taxes as you probably know. Different fuel tax rates, etc. Many of which are special revenue funds.

Income tax goes in the general fund. The general fund is kind of the catch all and as an over generalization is used to support the other funds.

There's different types of federal funds going to the states. Money for military bases, grants for specific projects, you could even have a case where a non profit gets a federal grant. That money would go in the state where the nonprofit is located and out to the non profit. Nothing the state government used but they record the in and out separately for additional tracking. Then you get into medicaid, food stamps and other individual assistance. Same situation where its an in and out.

So all of these federal funds that are spread among different state funds. Everything is budgeted so the expected revenues are put in and accordingly expected expenses.

I'm too lazy to look these numbers up specifically so let's just make up numbers as an example.

California and Texas receive 100 billion in federal funds during the year. California has the highest income tax rate in the country. Texas doesn't have income tax. The two states could both have 500 billion in overall revenue but Texas has 300 billion in special revenue and 200 billion in general revenues. California being the opposite. 300 general 200 special.

Your chart would say Texas receives 50% of it's general revenue and California is 33.3% of its general revenue. Bottom line it's a nearly pointless chart that provides no information on how well the states managed their finances or how dependent they are on federal funds.
Boom and there it is. As always thanks for the intelligent reply that both is both logical and easy to understand.
 
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Capitalism in its purest form is 100 free market. No restriction, no price caps, no restricting price increases in a disaster. And no restriction on who you can sell you products too.

In capitalism an objects worth is directly tied to what someone is willing to pay. Price gouging be dambed.

Capitalism is great except for life sustaining/saving things.

Capitalism says that chopper ride toa hospital can be 50k or a million dollars.

Really we haven't been a full capitalistic country for quite some time.
and now we want a cuba look alike