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You're immediately dismissive when the truth doesn't fit your politics.
In fact it's the exact opposite with me. I'm beholden to no party or ideal so I'm definitely willing to change my mind when the facts present itself.

And the single fact here that's important: There has been zero evidence election fraud is happening on any scale that makes any difference. ZERO.
 

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I'd argue states having election laws against it constitutes plenty of proof. You're so absolutely certain that fraud DID NOT, CANNOT occur within a system that is BEGGING to be defrauded. That's been purposely SET UP for it... you at least see that, right?
 
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"I know people that harvest ballots" --> a way more serious and federal crime than how fast your car drives (which is not a federal issue but for some reason you chose it anyway) or what a non-pub non-dem posts on a message board (feel free to report me any time homie)... Captain False Equivalency.




Oh, so you don't know several people personally who do it every election for the democrats. And if they're open and proud of it...it's not hearsay
Just keep denying it dude. You have some vested interest in believing that everything is on the up and up, when everything around you says otherwise. For God's sake man, you pointed out that the car analogy is invalid because it's not a federal issue, when the point is that I don't narc on everyone who says that they did things that might be illegal.

The democrats are insanely mad that they don't control the Supreme Court, so they're proposing adding justices so they can win that too, something that's crazy and unprecedented. If we don't win, just add more people to our side (adding 4 to the court). Why not 12, 27?

Any you can look at us with a straight face and tell us that these same people don't juice elections so they can win? You're telling us that the democrats actually believe that having to have an ID is something that is going to cause mass numbers of minorities (just minorities) to not vote?

The thing is that we both know that I'm right, you just have some interest in disputing it. Maybe your a taker, maybe you like killing babies and are afraid that you're sacred right to push that might get disrupted, maybe you want to be a subject to a China like ruling class. I don't know what your angle is, but this crap is about to topple over on top of you.
 

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In fact it's the exact opposite with me. I'm beholden to no party or ideal so I'm definitely willing to change my mind when the facts present itself.

And the single fact here that's important: There has been zero evidence election fraud is happening on any scale that makes any difference. ZERO.
We've debated for months, but honestly, if you think that in a country of 335 million people that there is ZERO election fraud that makes any difference, then well, you're just not very smart.

Also, your claim that you're this free thinking freeman when you parrot the party line of the socialists is beyond comical.
 

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I'd argue states having election laws against it constitutes plenty of proof. You're so absolutely certain that fraud DID NOT, CANNOT occur within a system that is BEGGING to be defrauded. That's been purposely SET UP for it... you at least see that, right?
This ^^^ is something that can't be said enough. We don't pass laws for things that don't happen without a law. Every state has these laws.

There are no laws saying that you have to breath air.
 

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The democrats are insanely mad that they don't control the Supreme Court, so they're proposing adding justices so they can win that too, something that's crazy and unprecedented. If we don't win, just add more people to our side (adding 4 to the court). Why not 12, 27?
That's unrelated to ballot harvesting.
 
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Any you can look at us with a straight face and tell us that these same people don't juice elections so they can win? You're telling us that the democrats actually believe that having to have an ID is something that is going to cause mass numbers of minorities (just minorities) to not vote?
I don't know if they do or don't, but I'm pro voter ID so maybe I'm not the right person to ask.
 
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Maybe your a taker, maybe you like killing babies and are afraid that you're sacred right to push that might get disrupted, maybe you want to be a subject to a China like ruling class.
A taker?

I'm STAUNCHLY pro life. It's probably the biggest reason I've only voted for a Dem once in my life. I would ban all elective abortions tomorrow if I could.

I don't even know what the f you're talking about China for.
 

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We've debated for months, but honestly, if you think that in a country of 335 million people that there is ZERO election fraud that makes any difference, then well, you're just not very smart.
You're talking about two different things.

Is there ZERO election fraud? Of course there's some. I've maintained that the whole time

Is there a significant amount that would even threaten to change an election? There's ZERO evidence of that.
 

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You're talking about two different things.

Is there ZERO election fraud? Of course there's some. I've maintained that the whole time

Is there a significant amount that would even threaten to change an election? There's ZERO evidence of that.
Oh JFC man!
 

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I don't know if they do or don't, but I'm pro voter ID so maybe I'm not the right person to ask.
If you're pro voter ID, then why are you taking the opposite side on a thread about Georgia's law and how it affects the All-Star game?! That's what this thread is about. Voter ID is why the left is calling it Jim Crow. Everything else in the law is looser than almost any blue state. I'm really confused now.

You say that we don't need this law because there is no noticeable fraud, then you say ^^^ that you're pro voter ID, the main safeguard in the law against fraud! My head is about to explode.
 

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I'd argue states having election laws against it constitutes plenty of proof.
You'd be wrong.

You're so absolutely certain that fraud DID NOT, CANNOT occur within a system that is BEGGING to be defrauded. That's been purposely SET UP for it... you at least see that, right?
I am absolutely certain there has never been PROOF of major widespread voter fraud.

Do you actually get how hard it is to cast illegal ballots? It's not like you can just print one at home. The systems aren't so comically bad that they'll accept 100,000 print at home ballots no big deal. There's unique digitally barcoded identifiers on each one, there's tons and tons of work that goes in to making sure that I can't just print my own ballot and bring it in.

The only way for the fraud to happen of "harvesting" would mean I would have to know 100,000 other people willfully ready to commit fraud and never rat me out to the media or the feds and have them all send me their ballot. And for the fraud to matter, it would have to be for candidate they weren't going to originally vote for. And on top of that, I'm guessing they would all have to be paid.

What's the price of your integrity? $10? $100? $1000? What would you accept as payment for your vote to go for a commie democrat?

Let's say some dude knows 100,000 Trump fans who are willing to take $1,000 as payment for their ballot to be marked Biden instead and sent in by this "Ballot Harvester Joe" you keep thinking is so prominent.

That's $100,000,000. Where did that money come from? DNC? Really? And that's probably only enough to swing one state. So now we gotta find more for each state to win this damn thing? Maybe just the 8-10 swing states. You think they're going to find 1M people with so little integrity that they'll sell their ballot to the other party for a paltry $1k? Where do you think someone's going to pull $1B out of their ass every 4 years to fund this?

Maybe you think they can fake those ballots for real people who have to have real address and some how create their own?

Well that would be super easy to catch too....first, you would have to know these closely guarded secrets about how they create and encode everything (as an IT person, that's not a small ask). Then you would probably need access to the databases that create the ballots. Because in most states (like Georgia for instance) ballots are verified against people that actually live in GA. Then you would have to just hope that the 100,000 people you just stole their ballot from didn't try to go vote later on <----- where you get caught because if 100k people flooded the phone lines saying their ballot had already been cast when they didn't do it, there would be a WORLD of hurt coming.



The whole thing falls a part when you give it just a modicum of thought. But hey, you keep going on your conspiracy theories. When you provide some ACTUAL information that is compelling, I will absolutely flip my position.
 
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If you're pro voter ID, then why are you taking the opposite side on a thread about Georgia's law and how it affects the All-Star game?! That's what this thread is about. Voter ID is why the left is calling it Jim Crow. Everything else in the law is looser than almost any blue state. I'm really confused now.

You say that we don't need this law because there is no noticeable fraud, then you say ^^^ that you're pro voter ID, the main safeguard in the law against fraud! My head is about to explode.
1) If you paid attention ITT, I'm very much against moving the All-Star game...or at the last I think it's just virtue signaling
2) Georgia's law is not even close to being just about Voter ID
3) Everything else in the law is not looser than almost any blue state

I never said we don't need this law because there is no noticeable fraud. In fact, I haven't made a single comment about the law itself. My "I haven't read the fine details, but based off of a few things I've read" take is that there's some things that make sense and some things that don't.

I have just refuted the absurd claim that there was massive voter fraud in the 2020 election when there's no evidence that's true.
 
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1) If you paid attention ITT, I'm very much against moving the All-Star game...or at the last I think it's just virtue signaling
2) Georgia's law is not even close to being just about Voter ID
3) Everything else in the law is not looser than almost any blue state

I never said we don't need this law because there is no noticeable fraud. In fact, I haven't made a single comment about the law itself. My "I haven't read the fine details, but based off of a few things I've read" take is that there's some things that make sense and some things that don't.

I have just refuted the absurd claim that there was massive voter fraud in the 2020 election when there's no evidence that's true.
2) Georgia's law is not even close to being just about Voter ID

"I haven't read the fine details, but based off of a few things I've read" take is that there's some things that make sense and some things that don't.


OK, what are the things that don't make sense?

Is is not allowing people to give food and water within a certain distance from the polls? That's an anti-canvassing provision so people aren't campaigning at the polls. It pretty much the same in most other states and it makes sense, as you don't want fights to break out at the polls between competing campaign workers and you don't want voters harassed. This provision also is color blind. Is that it?

Is it about the number of days of early voting? We have more than most states. Is it about poll hours? 7AM to 7PM on election day and 8AM to 5PM for early, but the local counties can go to 7AM to 7PM if they want, the other is just the minimum. If you're in line when the polls close, you still can vote.

Is it about the ability to get an absentee ballot? In Georgia, as opposed to many other states, we have no questions asked absentee voting, you just need to ask for a ballot. I disagree with this one though, as I think you need to have a reason to vote absentee, but nonetheless, Georgia is looser.

Then there's the voter ID thing.

All of these rules are to prevent fraud and to make voting available to all who are eligible. If fraud wasn't a problem and voting was naturally available, then there would be no need for these laws. You say that there is no fraud because you can't identify specifics, which is like me saying that there is no gun violence in Chicago because I in Georgia don't have any first hand evidence of it. You have to be able to discern something based on the empirical evidence that leads you to a conclusion and there's a lot of that here in Georgia and nationwide.

Most of what is said about "no evidence" has to do with self-serving statements based on ridiculous premises. For example, there have been many people who claim "no evidence of fraud" because they simply do a recount and the 2 counts match. That completely misses the point.

What people are saying about no evidence is similar to having the police show up to a house where 5 people were stabbed to death and one other person standing there alive covered in blood and holding a bloody knife with the police saying "you're free to go because no one actually saw who killed these people".
 

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You're talking about two different things.

Is there ZERO election fraud? Of course there's some. I've maintained that the whole time

Is there a significant amount that would even threaten to change an election? There's ZERO evidence of that.
Iowa house race says hello.
 

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There are few things I love more in the world than posts who call people stupid with multiple grammatical errors.
There are few things that make me laugh more than people who bag on grammar on a message board where most people are typing on the fly on their phones with autocorrect and not proofreading any of it.
 

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You'd be wrong.


I am absolutely certain there has never been PROOF of major widespread voter fraud.

Do you actually get how hard it is to cast illegal ballots? It's not like you can just print one at home. The systems aren't so comically bad that they'll accept 100,000 print at home ballots no big deal. There's unique digitally barcoded identifiers on each one, there's tons and tons of work that goes in to making sure that I can't just print my own ballot and bring it in.

The only way for the fraud to happen of "harvesting" would mean I would have to know 100,000 other people willfully ready to commit fraud and never rat me out to the media or the feds and have them all send me their ballot. And for the fraud to matter, it would have to be for candidate they weren't going to originally vote for. And on top of that, I'm guessing they would all have to be paid.

What's the price of your integrity? $10? $100? $1000? What would you accept as payment for your vote to go for a commie democrat?

Let's say some dude knows 100,000 Trump fans who are willing to take $1,000 as payment for their ballot to be marked Biden instead and sent in by this "Ballot Harvester Joe" you keep thinking is so prominent.

That's $100,000,000. Where did that money come from? DNC? Really? And that's probably only enough to swing one state. So now we gotta find more for each state to win this damn thing? Maybe just the 8-10 swing states. You think they're going to find 1M people with so little integrity that they'll sell their ballot to the other party for a paltry $1k? Where do you think someone's going to pull $1B out of their ass every 4 years to fund this?

Maybe you think they can fake those ballots for real people who have to have real address and some how create their own?

Well that would be super easy to catch too....first, you would have to know these closely guarded secrets about how they create and encode everything (as an IT person, that's not a small ask). Then you would probably need access to the databases that create the ballots. Because in most states (like Georgia for instance) ballots are verified against people that actually live in GA. Then you would have to just hope that the 100,000 people you just stole their ballot from didn't try to go vote later on <----- where you get caught because if 100k people flooded the phone lines saying their ballot had already been cast when they didn't do it, there would be a WORLD of hurt coming.



The whole thing falls a part when you give it just a modicum of thought. But hey, you keep going on your conspiracy theories. When you provide some ACTUAL information that is compelling, I will absolutely flip my position.
It is sad that you have to explain this to Trumpers. And even sadder that it will fall on deaf ears. They think there is a switch on the back of a Dominion machine that says "Biden" and you just switch it an voila, all votes go to Biden.

This is the scariest part of the Georgia voting bill to me:

  • Allows the state to take control of what it calls “underperforming” local election systems
Seems like the Pubs in the state just want a way to override results in counties who's results they don't like.
 
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There are few things that make me laugh more than people who bag on grammar on a message board where most people are typing on the fly on their phones with autocorrect and not proofreading any of it.
Maybe people who want to call others stupid should proofread their posts though? So as not to look stupid themselves? Just saying.
 

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This is the scariest part of the Georgia voting bill to me:

  • Allows the state to take control of what itcalls “underperforming” local election systems
Seems like the Pubs in the state just want a way to override results in counties who's results they don't like.
Yeah I want to read the actual bill to get its meaning without any political bias of a news source but I just haven't found the time
 
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Yeah I want to read the actual bill to get its meaning without any political bias of a news source but I just haven't found the time
Me too. If there is any truth to my post above I think that is the real reason for the bill. The state wants to be able to veto blue county results and remove election commissioners that don't do what they say. Scary stuff (if true) I am sure if blue states were trying to pull the same stunt Trumpers would be up in arms.
 

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Yeah I want to read the actual bill to get its meaning without any political bias of a news source but I just haven't found the time
but you have to PASS the bill first, so you can read it to find out whats in it...
 

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Maybe people who want to call others stupid should proofread their posts though? So as not to look stupid themselves? Just saying.
There are a lot of really stupid people out there who have good grammar and a lot of brilliant people out there who have poor grammar.

But that's not the point. Most of us on this forum type really fast, on the fly, on our phones, and don't proof anything.

To be honest, picking on someone's grammar on a internet forum just identifies that person as someone who has nothing cogent to say on the topic of the thread.
 

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There are a lot of really stupid people out there who have good grammar and a lot of brilliant people out there who have poor grammar.

But that's not the point. Most of us on this forum type really fast, on the fly, on our phones, and don't proof anything.

To be honest, picking on someone's grammar on a internet forum just identifies that person as someone who has nothing cogent to say on the topic of the thread.
I get that people type fast and whatnot. I am guilty of that.

All I am saying is if you are going to call another poster stupid, it is in your best interest to use good grammar and spelling in that particular post.

Better yet, don't call people stupid, but I am guilty of that myself. I am trying to be nicer around here though. You have an awesome day and weekend @rgrachek.
 

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It is sad that you have to explain this to Trumpers. And even sadder that it will fall on deaf ears. They think there is a switch on the back of a Dominion machine that says "Biden" and you just switch it an voila, all votes go to Biden.

This is the scariest part of the Georgia voting bill to me:

  • Allows the state to take control of what it calls “underperforming” local election systems
Seems like the Pubs in the state just want a way to override results in counties who's results they don't like.
Every State Legislature has the option of pulling the plug on local officials if they are not doing their job in almost anything for God's sake, not just elections. This provision is not new to the law or the law in any other state.

Unlike the states being constitutionally sovereign from the Federal Government, most local entities are at the will of their State Legislatures. For example, Cobb County Georgia has to go the the State Legislature to change the sales tax structure in the county if they want to raise or lower their taxes.

The State Legislature has to have oversight and certain controls over local jurisdictions, otherwise it would take no time at all for many of the over 100 counties in Georgia to go rogue. Same in every other state.

Under-performing is intended for counties who fail to provide the voting opportunities stipulated by law or who mismanage the vote collection and vote counting to where we don't have results for days after the election. It allows the governor and the legislature to remove people who are criminal or incompetent. It has nothing to do with the state coming in and recounting votes.

What's really interesting about your fear of this provision though is that H.R. 1 in the US Congress now if enacted takes complete control of federal elections in the states. I hope that this concerns you too.

What this has devolved into is taking every paragraph of a law, a law that is similar in most ways to laws in most other states (in many ways more open) and then painting a picture of some diabolical intent behind each paragraph.

It's all just ridiculous.
 
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Every state legislature has the option of pulling the plug on local officials if they are not doing their job in almost anything for God's sake, not just elections. This provision is not new to the law or the law in any other state.

Unlike the states bring constitutionally sovereign from the Federal Government, most local entities are at the will of their state legislatures. For example, Cobb County Georgia has to go the the State Legislature to change the sales tax structure in the county if they want to raise or lower their taxes.

The State Legislature has to have oversight and certain controls over local jurisdictions, otherwise it would take no time at all for many of the over 100 counties in Georgia to go rogue. Same in every other state.

Under-performing is intended for counties who fail to provide the voting opportunities stipulated by law or who mismanage the vote collection and vote counting to where we don't have results for days after the election. It allows the governor and the legislature to remove people who are criminal or incompetent. It has nothing to do with the state coming in and recounting votes.

What's really interesting about your fear of this provision though is that H.R. 1 in the US Congress now if inacted takes complete control of federal elections in the states. I hope that this concerns you too.

What this has devolved into is taking every paragraph of a law, a law that is similar in most ways to laws in most other states (in many ways more open) and then painting a picture of some diabolical intent behind each paragraph.

It's all just ridiculous.
Problem is when people want to yank election officials because they don't like the results of the election. Trump and his unfounded election fraud conspiracy BS has done a number on his voting base. They think all elections are rigged now.

If election officials are not doing their jobs right, of course, yank them.

You and I both know that is not what this is about in Georgia though.
 

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Honestly, Presidents have called for boycotts of companies who they think are acting poorly for generations. Shaming corporations and businesses is the national passtime in DC. It didn't start with Trump as Obama and other presidents on both sides did it a lot. However, I think that calling out an actual State government in the union is quite another.

If he thinks that what they did in Georgia violates the voting rights act (which it does not) or is unconstitutional (which it's not), then challenge it in the courts (they will lose even in the lower courts).
You are not even worth responding to with anything more than an LOL.
 
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Problem is when people want to yank election officials because they don't like the results of the election. Trump and his unfounded election fraud conspiracy BS has done a number on his voting base. They think all elections are rigged now.

If election officials are not doing their jobs right, of course, yank them.

You and I both know that is not what this is about in Georgia though.
I think that you might want to think this one through more.

Trump made the off handed comment that we need to fire some people in Georgia, which is his right to say.

However, the people he directed that to refused his demand and basically told him that they run their own elections. They then certified the election for Biden by 15k votes.

This isn't about Trump and it never really was. There was some bad stuff going on in Georgia and I suspect other states. This stuff had been going on for many years and first came to a head in 2018 and then nationally in 2020 when we had massive absentee voting.

The new law codified everything pretty much consistent with previous law with the only significant exception being the use of voter ID for absentee ballots. This is a really good safeguard against harvesting ballots and that's why the democrats hate it.

I can go over every paragraph of that law and tell you the reason it is there and explain how it makes voting easier, prevents fraud, and makes sure people are obeying the law. I've explained how the democrats have been harvesting votes for years. "There is no evidence of fraud" is just a buzz phrase repeated over and over again by people who have no clue, but have a dog in the bash Trump fight.

However, there isn't a soul who can look at that law and credibly give any way that anything in that law prevents a person who is legally entitled to vote (i.e. 18 and over and not a felon) from having multiple opportunities to easily vote. That's why people like Stacey Abrams run around like a prophet in sackcloth preaching the gospel of voter suppression without ever talking about just how votes are suppressed or being able to identify one single person who has been denied their legal right to vote. We have a date that you have to register to vote by to be eligible to vote in any election. Stacey Abrams calls not letting people register after that date "voter suppression".

This is ENTIRELY what this is all about.

It was kind of funny, but when Abrams lost the Governor race to Brian Kemp (thank God because Abrams would have nailed us all into our homes during COVID) by 55,000 votes, her campaign staff was sent out to dispute the results based on "voter suppression" and one worker let it slip that there was no way Abrams could have lost with her advantage in the absentee votes (despite the fact that in 2018, the split of democrat and republican absentee votes was not dramatic and only 10% of the votes were absentee). That was a big red flag for a lot of people. When her campaign manager was asked about how many people who were denied to vote would be coming forward and filing lawsuits, she gave a blank (holy shit) stare and said something like "that's a personal decision".

Apparently, Abrams has been running around Atlanta to businesses threatening them with BLM stuff if they don't oppose this law including MLB. Then after Biden's statement about pulling the all-star game, she quickly retreated and asked MLB not to punish the people of Georgia. Stacey Abrams is now seen in Georgia as the person responsible for us losing the all-star game. She's a money grifter, and her political career in Georgia is over unless they can find another scheme to harvest votes.
 

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Biden is just doing what he is told to do. He is a good reliable puppet.
 

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I think that you might want to think this one through more.
I think I have a pretty good handle on it.

Trump damaged the view of our Democratic process amongst his base and it will take years to overcome it. Hopefully the damage is not permanent.

People who think there is widespread fraud in our elections need to learn how the election process works. They will realize the fraud they claim happens on the regular is not possible, not on a widespread level. Not on a level big enough to sway elections anyway and not possible to go undetected.
 

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I think I have a pretty good handle on it.

Trump damaged the view of our Democratic process amongst his base and it will take years to overcome it. Hopefully the damage is not permanent.

People who think there is widespread fraud in our elections need to learn how the election process works. They will realize the fraud they claim happens on the regular is not possible, not on a widespread level. Not on a level big enough to sway elections anyway and not possible to go undetected.
The basis for my view is all of the metrics regarding the distribution of the vote and things I know happen in Georgia.

The basis for your view is, well, nothing other than some democratic operatives saying that there is no evidence.

We put people in prison for the rest of their lives for murder in a court of law with far less "evidence" than there is here.

I'm really flabbergasted that people think that election fraud is impossible when we watch what the democrats will do to gain and maintain power.

1) They want to add just enough justices to the Supreme Court to give them a majority even when almost 80% of the electorate is against that.

2) They're trying to pass a bill removing any state authority over elections in their state.

3) They're pushing adding DC as a state, something that is directly opposite of the reason DC exists in the first place, just so they can get 2 more Senators on their side. No one has ever suggested allowing citizens of DC to vote for President could be accomplished by letting these people simply vote in designated adjacent states (Maryland and Virginia).

4) They want Puerto Rico to become a state for the same reasons as DC, but they ignore the 4 other territories for some reason.

5) They call breaking into and walking through the Capitol an insurrection against America, but call the riots in the capital and congressional office building and at the Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh confirmation just people exercising their constitutional rights. Same for people who destroy federal, state, and private property in riots that continue today.

6) They think that the US Constitution should be abolished and re-written in their image because it's to them tainted by White Supremacy and racism. They actually call for the abolishment of the USA and it's constitution and replacement with something that keeps them in charge forever.

AND YOU THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE DO ELECTIONS ON THE UP AND UP? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
 

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The basis for my view is all of the metrics regarding the distribution of the vote and things I know happen in Georgia.

The basis for your view is, well, nothing other than some democratic operatives saying that there is no evidence.

We put people in prison for the rest of their lives for murder in a court of law with far less "evidence" than there is here.

I'm really flabbergasted that people think that election fraud is impossible when we watch what the democrats will do to gain and maintain power.

1) They want to add just enough justices to the Supreme Court to give them a majority even when almost 80% of the electorate is against that.

2) They're trying to pass a bill removing any state authority over elections in their state.

3) They're pushing adding DC as a state, something that is directly opposite of the reason DC exists in the first place, just so they can get 2 more Senators on their side. No one has ever suggested allowing citizens of DC to vote for President could be accomplished by letting these people simply vote in designated adjacent states (Maryland and Virginia).

4) They want Puerto Rico to become a state for the same reasons as DC, but they ignore the 4 other territories for some reason.

5) They call breaking into and walking through the Capitol an insurrection against America, but call the riots in the capital and congressional office building and at the Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh confirmation just people exercising their constitutional rights. Same for people who destroy federal, state, and private property in riots that continue today.

6) They think that the US Constitution should be abolished and re-written in their image because it's to them tainted by White Supremacy and racism. They actually call for the abolishment of the USA and it's constitution and replacement with something that keeps them in charge forever.

AND YOU THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE DO ELECTIONS ON THE UP AND UP? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
You have zero evidence of election changing fraud.

You think a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court would look the other way if they had legitimate proof?

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