Do blue blood program AD’s whine about playing too many tough teams?
Do blue blood program fan bases whine when paired up to compete with the best?
Do blue blood program fan bases whine when paired up to compete with the best?
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Do blue blood program AD’s whine about playing too many tough teams?
Do blue blood program fan bases whine when paired up to compete with the best?
Guess it’s that time again to ask this question... actually surprised it came from someone other than jlb321...
Short answer is yes, until we are not. I don’t care what opposing fans say, I don’t care what pretend fans say. We are a blue blood until the experts (who still call us a blue blood) says we aren’t. We need to start winning again if we want to remain a blue blood, but for now we still are.
This thread should now be locked, as there is no other correct answer...
Minnesota has more national titles than Nebraska and has been irrelevant much longer.no blue blood has had a period of irrelevance anywhere near as long as Neb currently is experiencing
Minnesota has more national titles than Nebraska and has been irrelevant much longer.
They certainly were in the 40's, 50s, and part of the 60s. By the early-mid 1970's they became irrelevant.My post stated no blue blood has had a longer period of irrelevance than Neb
minnesota isn’t a blue blood
They certainly were in the 40's, 50s, and part of the 60s. By the early-mid 1970's they became irrelevant.
They were a blue blood and within 15-20 years became irrelevant, not a legitimate national title contender.
Actually Pennsy, on paper, Nebraska the past three recruiting classes (2018, 19, 20 per Rivals) has averaged right at top 16 and is well within PSU and Michigan talent range. I know that doesn't count for much, but honestly, that means Nebraska isn't very far behind those programs in talent, name, and notoriety. Things will start to look up this season.Yes this question has been brought up many times on here. But it is still a good question to ask I think. The short answer is that yes, we are "still" a blue blood program. But the sad fact is I am not sure how much it matters when we have now gone two decades of being irrelevant on the national level. We are not just going through a "dry spell" like Alabama did for a short while. We are in a very long dry spell and in the eyes of most college football fans we are not just irrelevant but we will, most likely remain so.
The consensus seems to be that a school in our geographical location just cannot compete at that level anymore. The view is that we caught lightening in a bottle for four decades with the Devaney/Osborne dynasty but that their unique genius for program building on the prairie is gone forever. It is theoretically possible of course that Frost can bring us back, but his dismal record over the past two years is viewed as further proof that it is highly unlikely that anyone can pull this off again.
My own view is that we are a blue blood whose best days are behind us and that we will never regain the past glory we once had. We can aspire to be Wisconsin and not much more. Everyone is on TV now. Everyone has tons of money. Everyone has great facilities. And many, many teams have rabid fans bases just like ours. What distinguishes us now? How are we on the cutting edge of anything??
Until we start recruiting like OSU and PSU and Michigan do we will be Wisconsin. I wish I did not feel this way but I do.
Yes this question has been brought up many times on here. But it is still a good question to ask I think. The short answer is that yes, we are "still" a blue blood program. But the sad fact is I am not sure how much it matters when we have now gone two decades of being irrelevant on the national level. We are not just going through a "dry spell" like Alabama did for a short while. We are in a very long dry spell and in the eyes of most college football fans we are not just irrelevant but we will, most likely remain so.
The consensus seems to be that a school in our geographical location just cannot compete at that level anymore. The view is that we caught lightening in a bottle for four decades with the Devaney/Osborne dynasty but that their unique genius for program building on the prairie is gone forever. It is theoretically possible of course that Frost can bring us back, but his dismal record over the past two years is viewed as further proof that it is highly unlikely that anyone can pull this off again.
My own view is that we are a blue blood whose best days are behind us and that we will never regain the past glory we once had. We can aspire to be Wisconsin and not much more. Everyone is on TV now. Everyone has tons of money. Everyone has great facilities. And many, many teams have rabid fans bases just like ours. What distinguishes us now? How are we on the cutting edge of anything??
Until we start recruiting like OSU and PSU and Michigan do we will be Wisconsin. I wish I did not feel this way but I do.
Things SHOULD start to look up this season.Actually Pennsy, on paper, Nebraska the past three recruiting classes (2018, 19, 20 per Rivals) has averaged right at top 16 and is well within PSU and Michigan talent range. I know that doesn't count for much, but honestly, that means Nebraska isn't very far behind those programs in talent, name, and notoriety. Things SHOULD start to look up this season.
We've got to turn the corner pretty soon or we will be kicked out of the club. Golden Goofers won a lot in the 1940s. No one considers them blue blood but what isDo blue blood program AD’s whine about playing too many tough teams?
Do blue blood program fan bases whine when paired up to compete with the best?
When was their last conference championship?We've got to turn the corner pretty soon or we will be kicked out of the club. Golden Goofers won a lot in the 1940s. No one considers them blue blood but what is
My point is that our last run of greatness has some age on it.
TL/DR, and didn’t need to read your agenda driven post.well since someone mentioned blue bloods ...
how long before one is at risk for losing "blue blood" status?
I assume blue bloods are expected to be elite at least some of the time.. there has to be more than just total wins, most of which are meaningless
if you define an elite season (worthy of blue blood status) as a top 10 finish or major bowl appearance (NY6 equivalent)
The last elite season Nebraska has had dates back to 2001 (nearly 2 decades)
Listed is what other blue blood programs have accomplished since that time (2001)
Texas - 7 top 10s, 5 major bowls, 1 nat title
USC - 9 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 2 nat titles
Alabama - 13 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 5 nat titles
Michigan - 5 top 10s, 6 major bowls
OSU - 16 top 10s, 15 major bowls, 2 nat titles
ND - 3 top 10s, 5 major bowls
OU - 12 top 10s, 14 major bowls
Penn State – 6 top 10s, 5 major bowls
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
List of longest streaks (cycles) without a top ten finish or major bowl appearance by a blue blood (+ Penn State)
1960 - current
Michigan - 4 years
Alabama - 5 years
OSU - 6 years
USC - 7 years
ND - 7 years
Texas - 8 years
PSU - 8 years
OU - 12 years
Nebraska - 18 years and counting
will Frost get Neb back to having an elite season/status ... it didn't take very long for other blue bloods when they got their coach
Blue Blood programs and time to an elite season. In parenthesis is the number of wins the program had in the 3 years prior to being hired. Jury is out for some - Harbaugh and Herman. Urban took over a team already performing at an elite level so I did not include him. Kept the list to the 90s onward.
Of the 10 coaches listed (not including Frost)
6/10 - elite season in year 2
9-10/10 - elite season by year 3 - can debate Mack Brown
6/10 had won a national title by yr 3
7/10 had played for a national title (above 6 + Kelly)
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite season by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost - 0.375 winning percentage in 2 years (19 wins the prior 3 years)
I will say this about Nebraska fans, as an Iowa fan. You guys will likely never be as pathetic a fanbase as Gopher fans. Very impressive how well you guys have continued to support the program through the rough patch. I don't know if you guys can ever get to like consistently OSU/Bama level again on the field but obviously you'll be contending again at some point in the conference and have always gotten recruiting classes with guys that can compete anywhere so anything can happen.Minnesota has more national titles than Nebraska and has been irrelevant much longer.
TL/DR, and didn’t need to read your agenda driven post.
I’m glad you included Penn St because I dont know why certain publications fail to include them as a blueblood. They certainly meet every metric. Whether it be wins, top 10 finishes, top 5 finishes, NC’s, NC games played in, Major bowl wins, Major Bowls played in, All Americans produced, NFL players produced, etc. etc. Historically, they are a top ten recruiter that recruits Nationally. Joe Paterno is No 1 overall in wins. I say that that’s a “blue blood” resume. Been a fan for 47 years and read your board pretty regularly. No doubt in my mind Frost can bring Nebraska back, he just needs that break thru year to get the ball rolling.well since someone mentioned blue bloods ...
how long before one is at risk for losing "blue blood" status?
I assume blue bloods are expected to be elite at least some of the time.. there has to be more than just total wins, most of which are meaningless
if you define an elite season (worthy of blue blood status) as a top 10 finish or major bowl appearance (NY6 equivalent)
The last elite season Nebraska has had dates back to 2001 (nearly 2 decades)
Listed is what other blue blood programs have accomplished since that time (2001)
Texas - 7 top 10s, 5 major bowls, 1 nat title
USC - 9 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 2 nat titles
Alabama - 13 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 5 nat titles
Michigan - 5 top 10s, 6 major bowls
OSU - 16 top 10s, 15 major bowls, 2 nat titles
ND - 3 top 10s, 5 major bowls
OU - 12 top 10s, 14 major bowls
Penn State – 6 top 10s, 5 major bowls
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
List of longest streaks (cycles) without a top ten finish or major bowl appearance by a blue blood (+ Penn State)
1960 - current
Michigan - 4 years
Alabama - 5 years
OSU - 6 years
USC - 7 years
ND - 7 years
Texas - 8 years
PSU - 8 years
OU - 12 years
Nebraska - 18 years and counting
will Frost get Neb back to having an elite season/status ... it didn't take very long for other blue bloods when they got their coach
Blue Blood programs and time to an elite season. In parenthesis is the number of wins the program had in the 3 years prior to being hired. Jury is out for some - Harbaugh and Herman. Urban took over a team already performing at an elite level so I did not include him. Kept the list to the 90s onward.
Of the 10 coaches listed (not including Frost)
6/10 - elite season in year 2
9-10/10 - elite season by year 3 - can debate Mack Brown
6/10 had won a national title by yr 3
7/10 had played for a national title (above 6 + Kelly)
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite season by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost - 0.375 winning percentage in 2 years (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Thanks for the Cliffs... I’m assuming you pulled the original post from that saved document you have entitled, “Stirthepot”.here's the CliffsNotes for you
of the blue blood programs:
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
elite season - major bowl (New Years 6 or equivalent) or top 10 finish
Just can't stand it, can you?
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Well stated and I agree. Recruiting is key and we should all know that high level coaching is a rare commodity these days. Nebraska had one common thread through the great years, Tom Osborne, perhaps the best of all time.
A tough patch? If you drove on a 20 year stretch of bad highway your shock absorbers would be dead and all the fillings in your mouth would fall out. Just the ugly appearance we have today! We never should have left the Big 12. All we had to do then was beat one program and we were elevated to a top 20 team. Do you consider any Big 12 team to be top teir except Oklahoma? Face it, we will never be anything other than a middle of the road Big team, and never again rise to blue blood except by drinking blue Kool Aid.We are a blue blood going through a tough patch. Not difficult to understand
well since someone mentioned blue bloods ...
how long before one is at risk for losing "blue blood" status?
I assume blue bloods are expected to be elite at least some of the time.. there has to be more than just total wins, most of which are meaningless
if you define an elite season (worthy of blue blood status) as a top 10 finish or major bowl appearance (NY6 equivalent)
The last elite season Nebraska has had dates back to 2001 (nearly 2 decades)
Listed is what other blue blood programs have accomplished since that time (2001)
Texas - 7 top 10s, 5 major bowls, 1 nat title
USC - 9 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 2 nat titles
Alabama - 13 top 10s, 10 major bowls, 5 nat titles
Michigan - 5 top 10s, 6 major bowls
OSU - 16 top 10s, 15 major bowls, 2 nat titles
ND - 3 top 10s, 5 major bowls
OU - 12 top 10s, 14 major bowls
Penn State – 6 top 10s, 5 major bowls
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 5 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 10 years
Nebraska is the only program without an elite season in the past 15 years
List of longest streaks (cycles) without a top ten finish or major bowl appearance by a blue blood (+ Penn State)
1960 - current
Michigan - 4 years
Alabama - 5 years
OSU - 6 years
USC - 7 years
ND - 7 years
Texas - 8 years
PSU - 8 years
OU - 12 years
Nebraska - 18 years and counting
will Frost get Neb back to having an elite season/status ... it didn't take very long for other blue bloods when they got their coach
Blue Blood programs and time to an elite season. In parenthesis is the number of wins the program had in the 3 years prior to being hired. Jury is out for some - Harbaugh and Herman. Urban took over a team already performing at an elite level so I did not include him. Kept the list to the 90s onward.
Of the 10 coaches listed (not including Frost)
6/10 - elite season in year 2
9-10/10 - elite season by year 3 - can debate Mack Brown
6/10 had won a national title by yr 3
7/10 had played for a national title (above 6 + Kelly)
Blue Blood + Great Coach = elite season by years 2-3 (modern era)
Mack Brown - yr 3 - 7 -1 in conference top 15 -- yr 4 top 10 - (22 combined wins the 3 yrs prior)
Tom Herman - year 2 NY6 win -- (16 wins 3 yrs prior)
Pete Carrol - year 2 top 5 -- Nat Title yrs 3-4 -- (19 wins the prior 3 yrs)
Lloyd Carr - year 3 nat title (25 wins prior 3 years)
Jim Harbaugh - year 2 - top 10 + major bowl (20 wins the prior 3 years)
Jim Tressel - year 2 nat title (25 wins the prior 3 years)
Bob Stoops - year 2 - nat title (12 wins the prior 3 years)
Lou Holtz - year 3 national title (19 wins the prior 3 years)
Brian Kelly - year 3 nat title game (16 wins the prior 3 years)
Nick Saban - year 2 ranked 6th - year 3 nat title (22 wins the prior 3 years)
Scott Frost - 0.375 winning percentage in 2 years (19 wins the prior 3 years)
It’s not about what has happened the last 20 years... it’s historical... and historically we are one of the greats. Can we play our way out of blue blood status? Absolutely. And we are closer to that than we are solidifying our BB status. But we aren’t out of the club yet.Is Nebraska still a "blue blood" program? I'd say "no", at least no more than Minnesota or Tennessee are these days. It's been 20 years since we've won any kind of championship. Going 5 years without winning one is a 'dry spell'. Going 20? Well, I think anyone who honestly believes we're still part of the upper crust is only fooling themselves.
Is Nebraska still a "blue blood" program? I'd say "no", at least no more than Minnesota or Tennessee are these days. It's been 20 years since we've won any kind of championship. Going 5 years without winning one is a 'dry spell'. Going 20? Well, I think anyone who honestly believes we're still part of the upper crust is only fooling themselves.