Interesting Info...

[cdriftt24]

Here is just a sampling of what Riley is working with for the uninformed. Pelini had 54 signees in 2011 (redshirt fresh)-2013 that would be leaders of this years team. Where are they now? Johnny Stanton (tsf), Kevin Gladney (tsf), Courtney Love (tsf), Greg Hart (Tsf), Drake Martinez (tsf), Avery Moss (tsf), Aaron Green (tsf), Maurice Bondo (tsf), Klachko (tsf), Todd Peat (tsf). Jared Afalva (tsf), Tre’vell Dixon (tsf), Braylon Heard (tsf), Earnest Suttles (kicked off team), Leroy Alexander (kicked off team), David Santos (kicked off team), Max Pirlman (kicked off team), Dymira Mixon (tsf), Thomas Brown (tsf), Tyler Moore (tsf), Cory Whitaker (tsf), Bubba Starling (never enrolled), Randy Gregory (graduated early), Mohammed Seisey (graduated), Zaire Anderson (graduated), Michael Rose (injured), Josh Banderas (injured), Kevin Williams (injured), Dave Sutton (out til Nov), Givens Price (bust), Aaron Curry (bust), Dwayne Johnson (bust), Joseph Boaz (bust), Chongo Kondolo (bust), Adam Taylor (bust), Gabriel Miller (long snapper), AJ Natter (bust). An astounding 36 out of 54 recruits that would have been Jr’s/Srs that either transferred, got kicked off team, or were busts. There is ZERO depth on this team; they are 1 deep at almost every position. Really, No one can be judged fairly entering a situation like that. Riley is in the wrong place, wrong time, thanks to Bo Pelini. Add in new schemes, numerous injuries, a culture change and just plain heartbreaking losses, it is no wonder the season turned out the way it did. After the NW loss, I think the team has simply given up.

Why is Riley a bad hire? What would Bo’s record be this year?

Some facts:
Offense:
Ameer and KB are gone – They equaled 43% of yards, 47% of TDs scored (Both won games for us last year as well)
DPE has been hurt, and Turner is clearly not as good as we were always told. Meaning our 2nd best WR is probably a Freshman.
Our O-line is Bo’s O-line and has sucked for 4 years now. Why should it be better now?
Our best RB is either a FB, or a Riley recruit.

Defense:
4 of the top 5 (according to tackles) defensive players are gone. Throw in Josh Mitchell and that’s 5 guys gone! The only top 5 player is Gerry, who lacks on pass defense and can’t win a 1 on 1 situation in my opinion.
-Of the other top returning defensive players, we have had 0, I’ll repeat 0 games where they’ve all played together for an entire game.

Do I know if Riley is the guy to bring us a championship? Nope! But I do know Bo would be in the same boat, and doing it with a lot less class. It’s quite telling that our best defensive players are a converted TE, and Riley’s true freshman LB.

 

[PAHUSKER21]

Great information

 

[jlb321]

maybe Bo would be in the same boat maybe he wouldn't .. I personally feel the roster Riley was handed was beyond poor

at this point I wish we would have kept Bo to take the fall with this roster so all the fans would realize what a massive rebuilding job there is

there is not a single offensive lineman starting that has any business starting at the Univ of Nebraska and it remains to be seen if we have one with said talent on the entire roster

 

[timnsun]

That's pretty telling, really. Admittedly, if the coaches would have played a little better to the strengths of this team, our record would show it. But I also appreciate how much our struggles show recruits what our needs are and gives them the sense of early playing time.

 

[Rocky Mtn Husker]

I don't have any statistics in the post. No facts, no figures, no history, no information on past recruits or current players.

I just have a hypothetical question: What would Urban Meyer's record be with this team? I don't want look backwards anymore. I want to look forward. Bo's gone---let him go. Based on what I've seen from this team this year, I suspect Urban Meyer would have a better record than Mike Riley-- probably much better. But Urban Meyer's not here. Neither is Jim Harbaugh. Nick Saban is still coaching Alabama. All successful coaches have had to deal with losing recruits, injuries and transfers. They've all had to deal with reasons they can't win. But they won and it didn't take that long.

The only statistic that is important is how many wins and how many losses do you have. Mike Riley needs to start proving that he can win no matter what the circumstances are. That's the bottom line. Forget all the ratios, percentages, reasons and excuses. "Just win, baby". GBR.

 

[resdog851]

I agree that this staff was handed a weak hand in terms of talent. That doesn't explain the absolute clown car this team has turned into. Only a handful of players are anywhere near as good as they played last year. Pretty good players have regressed to the point that you wonder how they are even on the field. Then you remember that the coach says that the gap is considerable between them and the backup. Most positions are far worse than they were last year. I couldn't stand Bo and his junior high staff, but we can all see it on the field. This staff with four hundred years experience can't teach crap it appears.

 

[TruHusker]

That's pretty telling, really. Admittedly, if the coaches would have played a little better to the strengths of this team, our record would show it. But I also appreciate how much our struggles show recruits what our needs are and gives them the sense of early playing time.

I am a little more than a casual observer of football but tell me what their strengths really area? We don't have the O line to run consistently or block on passing plays. I do think our WR corp and RB's as groups are good but we have break downs in the pieces that support them. The strength of the D is stopping the run - sometimes as we have seen the last two weeks. But they can't even slow down the pass so what difference does it really make if you give up 500 yards but only 50 were on the ground verses last year where it was flipped? Kill me by shooting or stabbing, you still kill me.

Also when we say play to this teams strength (which is debatable if they have any) the other team knows that as well and stops it cold. Yes Purdue had a porous run D but my goodness they loaded to stop the run yesterday which is exactly what I would do to us. When you have maybe one little spark it is easily taken away then you have nothing.

 

[timnsun]

I don't have any statistics in the post. No facts, no figures, no history, no information on past recruits or current players.

I just have a hypothetical question: What would Urban Meyer's record be with this team? I don't want look backwards anymore. I want to look forward. Bo's gone---let him go. Based on what I've seen from this team this year, I suspect Urban Meyer would have a better record than Mike Riley-- probably much better. But Urban Meyer's not here. Neither is Jim Harbaugh. Nick Saban is still coaching Alabama. All successful coaches have had to deal with losing recruits, injuries and transfers. They've all had to deal with reasons they can't win. But they won and it didn't take that long.

The only statistic that is important is how many wins and how many losses do you have. Mike Riley needs to start proving that he can win no matter what the circumstances are. That's the bottom line. Forget all the ratios, percentages, reasons and excuses. "Just win, baby". GBR.

Why is it that it is always Urban or Nick or Jim that are the names people mention? Did we ever have a shot with these guys?

It always makes me laugh when the comparisons people make are to the GREATEST coaches in the game today. You could do so much better if you would name coaches like Tom Hermann or Jim McElwain, who haven't proven nearly as much as two guys who have won NC's at two different schools. Like that's a fair comparison.

 

[Rocky Mtn Husker]

Why is it that it is always Urban or Nick or Jim that are the names people mention? Did we ever have a shot with these guys?

It always makes me laugh when the comparisons people make are to the GREATEST coaches in the game today. You could do so much better if you would name coaches like Tom Hermann or Jim McElwain, who haven't proven nearly as much as two guys who have won NC's at two different schools. Like that's a fair comparison.

Because I'm making a comparison with Riley and a "successful coach". If Tom Hermann or Jim McElwain are your examples of successful then insert them in place of Meyer and Saban. It doesn't matter. All that any of us want is a winner. I could care less what his name is. GBR.

 

[SPbObRT]

Great post! You hit the nail on the head. No depth anywhere!

 

[Corn_Bred]

Pretty sure Barry Switzer said: "it's not about the X's and Pylons...it's the Jimmy and Johns!" Cool

 

[regionsdoc]

That's pretty telling, really. Admittedly, if the coaches would have played a little better to the strengths of this team, our record would show it. But I also appreciate how much our struggles show recruits what our needs are and gives them the sense of early playing time.

maybe Bo would be in the same boat maybe he wouldn't .. I personally feel the roster Riley was handed was beyond poor

at this point I wish we would have kept Bo to take the fall with this roster so all the fans would realize what a massive rebuilding job there is

there is not a single offensive lineman starting that has any business starting at the Univ of Nebraska and it remains to be seen if we have one with said talent on the entire roster

Gannon, knevel, farmer, foster, Barnett all say hello. All were heavily recruited Nationally coming out of high school

 

[HuskerLegion]

So if you have no depth its a great idea to go on the road and have your backup QB throw it 50 times? The game planning is horrible and the lack of rotation on the O line is just stubborn and dumb.

 

[StrongArm517]

Thank you for this in depth review of the roster. It is mindblowing to say the least. I hate to bash on our players talent, because I respect them and they're Cornhuskers, but it only takes a couple chinks in the armour to dismantle a giant. We're seeing this weekly.

 

[newAD]

Pretty sure Barry Switzer said: "it's not about the X's and Pylons...it's the Jimmy and Johns!" Cool

I thought it was X's and O's and Jimmy's and Joe's, but point taken.

 

[Gimmered]

Great post. Now post the same information for the Purdue team that just kicked our ass and get back to me.

 

[SilentCommit]

I'm onboard with the understanding that Riley walked into a situation that was worse than what anyone outside the program realized. However, what I saw yesterday was inexplicable, tbh. Injuries, locker room dissent, player apathy aside - you can't have a performance like that against one of the worst teams in college football. You just can't.

 

[kakdawg]

Here is just a sampling of what Riley is working with for the uninformed. Pelini had 54 signees in 2011 (redshirt fresh)-2013 that would be leaders of this years team. Where are they now? Johnny Stanton (tsf), Kevin Gladney (tsf), Courtney Love (tsf), Greg Hart (Tsf), Drake Martinez (tsf), Avery Moss (tsf), Aaron Green (tsf), Maurice Bondo (tsf), Klachko (tsf), Todd Peat (tsf). Jared Afalva (tsf), Tre’vell Dixon (tsf), Braylon Heard (tsf), Earnest Suttles (kicked off team), Leroy Alexander (kicked off team), David Santos (kicked off team), Max Pirlman (kicked off team), Dymira Mixon (tsf), Thomas Brown (tsf), Tyler Moore (tsf), Cory Whitaker (tsf), Bubba Starling (never enrolled), Randy Gregory (graduated early), Mohammed Seisey (graduated), Zaire Anderson (graduated), Michael Rose (injured), Josh Banderas (injured), Kevin Williams (injured), Dave Sutton (out til Nov), Givens Price (bust), Aaron Curry (bust), Dwayne Johnson (bust), Joseph Boaz (bust), Chongo Kondolo (bust), Adam Taylor (bust), Gabriel Miller (long snapper), AJ Natter (bust). An astounding 36 out of 54 recruits that would have been Jr’s/Srs that either transferred, got kicked off team, or were busts. There is ZERO depth on this team; they are 1 deep at almost every position. Really, No one can be judged fairly entering a situation like that. Riley is in the wrong place, wrong time, thanks to Bo Pelini. Add in new schemes, numerous injuries, a culture change and just plain heartbreaking losses, it is no wonder the season turned out the way it did. After the NW loss, I think the team has simply given up.

Why is Riley a bad hire? What would Bo’s record be this year?

Some facts:
Offense:
Ameer and KB are gone – They equaled 43% of yards, 47% of TDs scored (Both won games for us last year as well)
DPE has been hurt, and Turner is clearly not as good as we were always told. Meaning our 2nd best WR is probably a Freshman.
Our O-line is Bo’s O-line and has sucked for 4 years now. Why should it be better now?
Our best RB is either a FB, or a Riley recruit.

Defense:
4 of the top 5 (according to tackles) defensive players are gone. Throw in Josh Mitchell and that’s 5 guys gone! The only top 5 player is Gerry, who lacks on pass defense and can’t win a 1 on 1 situation in my opinion.
-Of the other top returning defensive players, we have had 0, I’ll repeat 0 games where they’ve all played together for an entire game.

Do I know if Riley is the guy to bring us a championship? Nope! But I do know Bo would be in the same boat, and doing it with a lot less class. It’s quite telling that our best defensive players are a converted TE, and Riley’s true freshman LB.

Bo IMO would not have lost the BYU game,the Illinois game,or the Purdue game. IMO he wins those. But also IMO he loses the Minnesota game. Everything else would stay the same....losses at the U and loses to Wiscy and to Northwestern. So I have him at about 5-4 with 2 more losses coming from MSU and Iowa. I think he would've beaten Rutgers so by my count I would have Bo at prolly 6-6 this year with these same circumstances and his system and his recruits being in place for 7 years.

Riley on the other hand IMO doesn't win another game. So I have him at an awful 3-9.

Terrible first year for him and no sugar coating that. A combination of coaches blunders, time management issues,suspect play calling,as well a lack of identity and THATS just on offense.

Defensively we continually have a group of DBs going out there trying to do things that they obviously aren't talented enough or well coached enough to do. I think it's both. At Lb I think we have done as well as can be expected considering what was left and the injury situation. On the Do we have no and I repeat NO pas fishers outside of a RS freshman that was recruited to play TE. THAT is not a Riley issue. Its a talent issue.

I wish the coaches could/would've adjusted there scheme some defensively because this result is somewhat predictable.

When u have a defensive that tries to cover man all over the field and a defensive line that gets no pressure on the QB you have a recipe for disaster.

So IMO Riley and staff should be held accountable for a very sub par year. Yes they didn't have the most talent to work with and after watching this team you can see that. BUT losses to Illinois,Purdue,and IMO BYU are DIRECTLY on the coaches. Those we're not talent issue games. There we're things in those games that average D1 coaches do that win those games.

Now as far as Bo Im just as glad he is gone as the day the fired his ass. Like I said 6-6 no year 8 isn't anything to cheer about either and IMO that's exactly what Bo would finish here. Hed have NO excuses whatsoever but I digress.
I don't know if Riley was the right choice or not. Right now if I was guessing I'd say NO. THAT said you don't stand pat with what we seen from the previous staff either.

Maybe we hired the wrong guy... idk but the other guy definitely needed to go. Jmo

Holla

 

[jlb321]

Gannon, knevel, farmer, foster, Barnett all say hello. All were heavily recruited Nationally coming out of high school

they are all waving Hello from the bench sitting behind perhaps the worst starting offensive line Nebraska has ever fielded in the modern era ... they are young so perhaps they will develop but the the starting group isn't exactly setting a high bar with regards to getting on the field

 

[JHball]

Here is just a sampling of what Riley is working with for the uninformed. Pelini had 54 signees in 2011 (redshirt fresh)-2013 that would be leaders of this years team. Where are they now? Johnny Stanton (tsf), Kevin Gladney (tsf), Courtney Love (tsf), Greg Hart (Tsf), Drake Martinez (tsf), Avery Moss (tsf), Aaron Green (tsf), Maurice Bondo (tsf), Klachko (tsf), Todd Peat (tsf). Jared Afalva (tsf), Tre’vell Dixon (tsf), Braylon Heard (tsf), Earnest Suttles (kicked off team), Leroy Alexander (kicked off team), David Santos (kicked off team), Max Pirlman (kicked off team), Dymira Mixon (tsf), Thomas Brown (tsf), Tyler Moore (tsf), Cory Whitaker (tsf), Bubba Starling (never enrolled), Randy Gregory (graduated early), Mohammed Seisey (graduated), Zaire Anderson (graduated), Michael Rose (injured), Josh Banderas (injured), Kevin Williams (injured), Dave Sutton (out til Nov), Givens Price (bust), Aaron Curry (bust), Dwayne Johnson (bust), Joseph Boaz (bust), Chongo Kondolo (bust), Adam Taylor (bust), Gabriel Miller (long snapper), AJ Natter (bust). An astounding 36 out of 54 recruits that would have been Jr’s/Srs that either transferred, got kicked off team, or were busts. There is ZERO depth on this team; they are 1 deep at almost every position. Really, No one can be judged fairly entering a situation like that. Riley is in the wrong place, wrong time, thanks to Bo Pelini. Add in new schemes, numerous injuries, a culture change and just plain heartbreaking losses, it is no wonder the season turned out the way it did. After the NW loss, I think the team has simply given up.

Why is Riley a bad hire? What would Bo’s record be this year?

Some facts:
Offense:
Ameer and KB are gone – They equaled 43% of yards, 47% of TDs scored (Both won games for us last year as well)
DPE has been hurt, and Turner is clearly not as good as we were always told. Meaning our 2nd best WR is probably a Freshman.
Our O-line is Bo’s O-line and has sucked for 4 years now. Why should it be better now?
Our best RB is either a FB, or a Riley recruit.

Defense:
4 of the top 5 (according to tackles) defensive players are gone. Throw in Josh Mitchell and that’s 5 guys gone! The only top 5 player is Gerry, who lacks on pass defense and can’t win a 1 on 1 situation in my opinion.
-Of the other top returning defensive players, we have had 0, I’ll repeat 0 games where they’ve all played together for an entire game.

Do I know if Riley is the guy to bring us a championship? Nope! But I do know Bo would be in the same boat, and doing it with a lot less class. It’s quite telling that our best defensive players are a converted TE, and Riley’s true freshman LB.

We lost to Illinois, Purdue and Northwestern all in the same season and Purdue was basically a blowout. There is just no way to spin that.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

Here is just a sampling of what Riley is working with for the uninformed. Pelini had 54 signees in 2011 (redshirt fresh)-2013 that would be leaders of this years team. Where are they now? Johnny Stanton (tsf), Kevin Gladney (tsf), Courtney Love (tsf), Greg Hart (Tsf), Drake Martinez (tsf), Avery Moss (tsf), Aaron Green (tsf), Maurice Bondo (tsf), Klachko (tsf), Todd Peat (tsf). Jared Afalva (tsf), Tre’vell Dixon (tsf), Braylon Heard (tsf), Earnest Suttles (kicked off team), Leroy Alexander (kicked off team), David Santos (kicked off team), Max Pirlman (kicked off team), Dymira Mixon (tsf), Thomas Brown (tsf), Tyler Moore (tsf), Cory Whitaker (tsf), Bubba Starling (never enrolled), Randy Gregory (graduated early), Mohammed Seisey (graduated), Zaire Anderson (graduated), Michael Rose (injured), Josh Banderas (injured), Kevin Williams (injured), Dave Sutton (out til Nov), Givens Price (bust), Aaron Curry (bust), Dwayne Johnson (bust), Joseph Boaz (bust), Chongo Kondolo (bust), Adam Taylor (bust), Gabriel Miller (long snapper), AJ Natter (bust). An astounding 36 out of 54 recruits that would have been Jr’s/Srs that either transferred, got kicked off team, or were busts. There is ZERO depth on this team; they are 1 deep at almost every position. Really, No one can be judged fairly entering a situation like that. Riley is in the wrong place, wrong time, thanks to Bo Pelini. Add in new schemes, numerous injuries, a culture change and just plain heartbreaking losses, it is no wonder the season turned out the way it did. After the NW loss, I think the team has simply given up.

Why is Riley a bad hire? What would Bo’s record be this year?

Some facts:
Offense:
Ameer and KB are gone – They equaled 43% of yards, 47% of TDs scored (Both won games for us last year as well)
DPE has been hurt, and Turner is clearly not as good as we were always told. Meaning our 2nd best WR is probably a Freshman.
Our O-line is Bo’s O-line and has sucked for 4 years now. Why should it be better now?
Our best RB is either a FB, or a Riley recruit.

Defense:
4 of the top 5 (according to tackles) defensive players are gone. Throw in Josh Mitchell and that’s 5 guys gone! The only top 5 player is Gerry, who lacks on pass defense and can’t win a 1 on 1 situation in my opinion.
-Of the other top returning defensive players, we have had 0, I’ll repeat 0 games where they’ve all played together for an entire game.

Do I know if Riley is the guy to bring us a championship? Nope! But I do know Bo would be in the same boat, and doing it with a lot less class. It’s quite telling that our best defensive players are a converted TE, and Riley’s true freshman LB.

Basically, you are an excuse maker. You cannot excuse taking a team that won at the clip Nebraska has the past 7 years and then explain a 3-6 team. You just can't. You act as if attrition and injuries only happen at Nebraska. They happen everywhere. Riley was a bad hire because he is a career .500 coach. He is currently 3-6 against a very easy schedule. How would Bo be doing...well considering he never won fewer than 9 games-I would assume he would be on pace to win 9 again this year. He would probably also have 10 unsportsmanlike penalties, been on ESPN 1000 times with stupid-pissed off screaming tirades on the sideline, said Nebraska has the worst fans, berated the media and continued the us vs the world theme in the locker room. This shouldn't be about Bo vs Riley. Neither should be the head coach at Nebraska.

There are a lot of teams that have had scheme changes this year, that took over programs that were not as successful as Nebraska has been, that are now winning. Riley took over a decent team and turned them into a laughing stock.

The fact is, Nebraska is inept and they are getting worse. A lot of it has to do with coaching and it is starting to look like he is losing the locker room. I don' know if a coach can recover once he loses the locker room. You can't buy into a coach when you do what they tell you and then lose 6 of your first 9 games...especially when you are accustomed to winning.

 

[TruHusker]

So if you have no depth its a great idea to go on the road and have your backup QB throw it 50 times? The game planning is horrible and the lack of rotation on the O line is just stubborn and dumb.

You make assumptions with your comment. 1. that we were in an position to not throw which we were not by any metrics meaning we were down the entire game, we were playing 9 man fronts and getting stuffed, 2. That there are adequate people to rotate in on the O line. The few subs we have seen have been a disaster. So I am not sure how automatically subbing fixes the problem. There is no one to sub without getting someone else killed.

 

[JHball]

You make assumptions with your comment. 1. that we were in an position to not throw which we were not by any metrics meaning we were down the entire game, we were playing 9 man fronts and getting stuffed, 2. That there are adequate people to rotate in on the O line. The few subs we have seen have been a disaster. So I am not sure how automatically subbing fixes the problem. There is no one to sub without getting someone else killed.

We were running jet sweeps and delayed hand offs against 9 man fronts. We're pretty good at getting under center with a fullback and pounding it straight ahead yet we go away from it every time. Also, we wouldn't have been down by so much and had to throw late if we weren't chucking it so much to the other team with our backup QB so early in the game. Also, Purdue just scored again. PURDUE

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

You make assumptions with your comment. 1. that we were in an position to not throw which we were not by any metrics meaning we were down the entire game, we were playing 9 man fronts and getting stuffed, 2. That there are adequate people to rotate in on the O line. The few subs we have seen have been a disaster. So I am not sure how automatically subbing fixes the problem. There is no one to sub without getting someone else killed.

People make too much of not rotating offensive lineman. It would be nice to do in the future if you have quality depth. It is necessary when you play teams with a lot of really good defensive lineman that rotate a bunch of players to keep them fresh. Nebraska hasn't played any teams that wore down their offensive line.

To your 1. Nebraska was running into stacked boxes, but still rushed 18 times for 95 yards with the running backs. Throw in the reverse and two fb runs and you are 21 rushes for 116 or close to that number. So you really can't say that Nebraska was not able to run. The reason Nebraska was down the entire game is because they kept throwing frickin interceptions with a back up QB. Purdue's game plan was to try and stop the run and make the back up QB beat them. Nebraska, as usual with this staff, fell into their trap--and they didn't need to. If you watch the first series, it was actually a very well called series...all the throws were basically one read-easy throws that help your QB. If Nebraska had called similar plays most of the game they would have won big.

 

[HuskerLegion]

You make assumptions with your comment. 1. that we were in an position to not throw which we were not by any metrics meaning we were down the entire game, we were playing 9 man fronts and getting stuffed, 2. That there are adequate people to rotate in on the O line. The few subs we have seen have been a disaster. So I am not sure how automatically subbing fixes the problem. There is no one to sub without getting someone else killed.

Why can't they shorten the game by running it a little more and mixing in PA passes. If you can't stop the opponent don't give them the ball. If there are not adequate people to sub in my question is why? Are they not getting enough reps? Are they just not good enough? I remember early in the year we were told Foster was close what happened to that?

 

[redfanusa]

An astounding 36 out of 54 recruits that would have been Jr’s/Srs that either transferred, got kicked off team, or were busts.

Sorry, but you're totally off base. Of the players listed, only 29 were busts. The others were successful players who graduated, or are currently injured. On average, only about half of any recruiting class contributes in a meaningful way. So out of the 54 recruits, you would expect 27 to bust. The 29 listed only a hair over that number. In other words, typical.

Every team has injuries. It is just part of the game. Or have we forgotten Ohio State blowing a lead to Nebraska to give Bo his "greatest" comeback ever?

Now that I have proven that the current talent situation is normal, we have to find another excuse. May I suggest an alternative? POOR COACHING. #winning

 

[whiteshoes97]

Great post. Now post the same information for the Purdue team that just kicked our ass and get back to me.

It's been posted on RSS, but if there is an objective way to measure talent based on recruiting rankings, D1 offers, etc, than the starting lineup for Purdue had more talent than the starting lineup for NU

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

It's been posted on RSS, but if there is an objective way to measure talent based on recruiting rankings, D1 offers, etc, than the starting lineup for Purdue had more talent than the starting lineup for NU

You mean that chart that metal head husker posted? The one that shows 12 people on Nebraska's offensive depth chart so Nebraska can claim two walk on full backs AND two walk on receivers. That was a BS chart shown to distort the truth. When you take away 2 walk on's off that chart (so you are comparing apples to apples) the numbers are different.

Please don't tell me you think Purdue was the better team. Nebraska had 5 turnovers and lost by 10 points. Nebraska should have clobbered Purdue. Talent level wasn't even close.

 

[RedSea]

People keep saying this disaster season is because Bo didn't recruit well enough. But he always had enough talent to get his 9 wins, even at the end. The drop off in the talent he had couldn't have fallen off so much from last year to this. The other thing that bothers me about this line of argument is that people seem to assume that Riley will bring in better talent. Why do they believe that? What if Riley only gets talent at the same overall level as Bo?

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

People keep saying this disaster season is because Bo didn't recruit well enough. But he always had enough talent to get his 9 wins, even at the end. The drop off in the talent he had couldn't have fallen off so much from last year to this. The other thing that bothers me about this line of argument is that people seem to assume that Riley will bring in better talent. Why do they believe that? What if Riley only gets talent at the same overall level as Bo?

Bo was a lazy ass-ineffective recruiter. This staff actually puts effort into recruiting and is innovative. That is why Nebraska has a chance with a lot of good prospects. That is why a lot of people are willing to give this staff the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that as these losses continue to mount, recruiting gets harder and harder. It will be interesting to see how Nebraska does down the stretch with recruiting.

 

[T...Chafes]

Depth has nothing to do with penalties, poor play calling, continually not utilizing players' strengths, and uninspired performances on the field.

 

[whiteshoes97]

You mean that chart that metal head husker posted? The one that shows 12 people on Nebraska's offensive depth chart so Nebraska can claim two walk on full backs AND two walk on receivers. That was a BS chart shown to distort the truth. When you take away 2 walk on's off that chart (so you are comparing apples to apples) the numbers are different.

Please don't tell me you think Purdue was the better team. Nebraska had 5 turnovers and lost by 10 points. Nebraska should have clobbered Purdue. Talent level wasn't even close.

We started a walk-on at QB, Guard, WR and both DEnd positions. The numbers are just about dead even.

 

[barney44]

Pretty sure Barry Switzer said: "it's not about the X's and Pylons...it's the Jimmy and Johns!" Cool

Every coach says that and a place like USC can recruit itself but it sure as hell cant coach itself. In the majority of cases you need great coaches if you want to be great.

 

[suhnami]

I'm onboard with the understanding that Riley walked into a situation that was worse than what anyone outside the program realized. However, what I saw yesterday was inexplicable, tbh. Injuries, locker room dissent, player apathy aside - you can't have a performance like that against one of the worst teams in college football. You just can't.

Well Riley has done it against Illinois and now Purdue. 2 of the worst teams in the entire nation. So I think you're underestimating how poorly he can do.

 

[Harry Caray]

Until I see concrete proof that this staff can recruit can recruit at higher level than the previous staff, I will be skeptical. We've had some good visitors, but can they close the deal? When was the last time we got a commit? Seems like months ago.

And based on what I've seen from this staff, we're going to need Top Ten recruiting classes to beat the likes of Ohio State and Michigan. We're certainly not going to out-coach them with inferior talent.

 

[timnsun]

Basically, you are an excuse maker. You cannot excuse taking a team that won at the clip Nebraska has the past 7 years and then explain a 3-6 team. You just can't. You act as if attrition and injuries only happen at Nebraska. They happen everywhere. Riley was a bad hire because he is a career .500 coach. He is currently 3-6 against a very easy schedule. How would Bo be doing...well considering he never won fewer than 9 games-I would assume he would be on pace to win 9 again this year. He would probably also have 10 unsportsmanlike penalties, been on ESPN 1000 times with stupid-pissed off screaming tirades on the sideline, said Nebraska has the worst fans, berated the media and continued the us vs the world theme in the locker room. This shouldn't be about Bo vs Riley. Neither should be the head coach at Nebraska.

There are a lot of teams that have had scheme changes this year, that took over programs that were not as successful as Nebraska has been, that are now winning. Riley took over a decent team and turned them into a laughing stock.

The fact is, Nebraska is inept and they are getting worse. A lot of it has to do with coaching and it is starting to look like he is losing the locker room. I don' know if a coach can recover once he loses the locker room. You can't buy into a coach when you do what they tell you and then lose 6 of your first 9 games...especially when you are accustomed to winning.

So teams can't go from 9 win seasons to 3-6 in the span of a year? I am going to go out on a limb and say it has happened before this year... Having said that, so much comes into play, and neither side is willing to budge much on this.

Whether you want to accept it or not, 23 of the 36 names listed are no longer at Nebraska. How is that not legitimate and germane to the struggles we are having? That is a full Bo class and then some. Do other teams have full recruiting classes playing elsewhere? Maybe they do and I'm looking even more foolish now, I don't know. But to say other teams deal with this too, I'm not sure they do to this extent.

I do agree that the coaching has been not good much of the time, and that it seems as if they might be losing the locker room as well. The only part the current coaches play in this fiasco is coaching (which admittedly is huge). But there is so much more than coaching affecting this team, and it all factors in. Talent, departures, walk ons, all are an issue. Coaching is an issue. Locker room vibe is an issue. This all plays a part. And you want to exclusively make it a coaching issue. I can't and don't agree with that. Coaching is a big part of it, but it's much more than that.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

So teams can't go from 9 win seasons to 3-6 in the span of a year? I am going to go out on a limb and say it has happened before this year

Bet you can't find a single example of that happening to a good coach.

Talent, departures, walk ons, all are an issue. Coaching is an issue. Locker room vibe is an issue. This all plays a part. And you want to exclusively make it a coaching issue. I can't and don't agree with that. Coaching is a big part of it, but it's much more than that.

As I have said, EVERY program has attrition and every program has injuries. I agree Nebraska has depth issues. Bo was not a good recruiter. However, Nebraska isn't losing to top 25 teams. Nebraska has 6 losses against teams that are not very good. Nebraska's talent didn't all of a sudden get that much worse when Bo was fired. I read somewhere that Nebraska had 15 or 17 returning starters. When a 9 win team has that many retuning starters-you normally have a really good year.

 

[timnsun]

Bet you can't find a single example of that happening to a good coach.



As I have said, EVERY program has attrition and every program has injuries. I agree Nebraska has depth issues. Bo was not a good recruiter. However, Nebraska isn't losing to top 25 teams. Nebraska has 6 losses against teams that are not very good. Nebraska's talent didn't all of a sudden get that much worse when Bo was fired. I read somewhere that Nebraska had 15 or 17 returning starters. When a 9 win team has that many retuning starters-you normally have a really good year.

You may be right... Maybe it hasn't happened... are you taking into consideration the new coaching staff? I don't know, you absolutely could be right. And I don't disagree about attrition. My question was the magnitude of attrition here. Not only did we lose 23 scholarship players among the 36 in the OP's original post, what about the fact that we never filled classes under Bo? This makes things even worse...

Also, of those 15-17 returning starters, how many have been starting? Lot of injuries on defense...

I agree that coaching is a big issue. I especially struggle with our defensive backfield and the suckitude they have achieved. If we saw a change in the defensive side of the ball I wouldn't be upset. I still think we can develop into a good offense in time. I don't feel the same way about our defense.

 

[cidsports]

The extremes would have been larger ... 23 points and 6 losses

Bo Pelini might have ended up being fired mid-season?

SEPTEMBER
Sat. 5 at Pittsburgh 570 WKBN L, 37-45 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 12 Robert Morris 570 WKBN | ESPN3 W, 21-14 Final - OT Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 19 Saint Francis (Pa.) 570 WKBN | ESPN3 W, 48-3 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos

OCTOBER
Sat. 3 at South Dakota * 570 WKBN | WBCB W, 31-3 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 10 Illinois State * 570 WKBN | ESPN3 | Football Alumni Day L, 29-31 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 17 South Dakota State * 570 WKBN | ESPN3 | Homecoming L, 8-38 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 24 at Southern Illinois * 570 WKBN | WBCB L, 31-38 Final - OT Box Score | Recap | Photos
Sat. 31 at Western Illinois * 570 WKBN | WBCB W, 23-21 Final Box Score | Recap | Photos

Nice Homecoming Loss to South Dakota State. Competitive, as well, but a 30 point loss at home ... larger extreme for Bo.

Food for thought in 2015!

 

[Corn_Bred]

I thought it was X's and O's and Jimmy's and Joe's, but point taken.

You are correct. I just happened to be eating Jimmy Johns.

 

[HuskersBraden]

Why is Riley a bad hire? What would Bo’s record be this year?

Some facts:
Offense:
Ameer and KB are gone – They equaled 43% of yards, 47% of TDs scored (Both won games for us last year as well)
DPE has been hurt, and Turner is clearly not as good as we were always told. Meaning our 2nd best WR is probably a Freshman.
Our O-line is Bo’s O-line and has sucked for 4 years now. Why should it be better now?
Our best RB is either a FB, or a Riley recruit.

Defense:
4 of the top 5 (according to tackles) defensive players are gone. Throw in Josh Mitchell and that’s 5 guys gone! The only top 5 player is Gerry, who lacks on pass defense and can’t win a 1 on 1 situation in my opinion.
-Of the other top returning defensive players, we have had 0, I’ll repeat 0 games where they’ve all played together for an entire game.

Do I know if Riley is the guy to bring us a championship? Nope! But I do know Bo would be in the same boat, and doing it with a lot less class. It’s quite telling that our best defensive players are a converted TE, and Riley’s true freshman LB.

A friend notified me I was being plagiarized.

If you're going to plagiarize, at least change a few words. I posted this information on an article here a few weeks ago.

Looks like you also stole most of "Gary formerly..." information about the recruiting class.

I took time to research that information, please give credit when it's not your work!