In State players blown off by Pelini

[newAD]

Due to our MASH unit defensive roster, I was looking at in state players we could have on the roster, but Pelini passed on, vs who we got.

2011- Didn't offer Cole Fisher. He is at Iowa and has been a contributor for most of his career. His brother wasn't utilized by Pelini much, but in a defense like Nebraska runs now, I think he'd excel. I think this led to Cole not being offered. Certainly could have used him IMO in the BIG. Who we took instead: Max Pirman (transferred, never really contributed) and David Santos (contributed, transferred or shown the door?).

2012- Didn't offer Drew Ott. He has been a contributor at Iowa. To bad for him he tore his ACL. Took Avery Moss (um, what happened again?) and Greg McMullen (Contributor/starter) instead. Certainly could use him IMO.

2012- Didn't offer Nathan Bazata. He is contributing at Iowa. Took Aaron Curry (Transferred to TCU) and Valentine (multi year starter). It'd be nice to have him.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101315aaj.html

2012- Didn't offer Casey Sayles. Ohio depth chart shows him a starter at Ohio at NT. May not sound impressive but if we lose to Minny, and Ohio should have, what does it say about Nebraska. He may have been a DE recruit here or maybe grows to DT but again took Curry, Valentine, McMullen, and Moss.

2012- Nick DeLuca, wasn't offered. Believe he is a starter at NDSU, and when was the last year you are sure Nebraska would have been able to beat them? Instead we took Afalava (gone, never did anything here), Zaire Anderson (was a contributor), Brown (never made it/did anything), Rose (happy about that). At 6' 3", 250, he could be a good physical MLB for BIG season.

2013- Harrison Phillips, offered but slow played. Started at Stanford, but tore a knee. Instead we took on the DL, Collins (happy with that), Gregory (good pick up, wish he was still here, could have done more), Maurice (showing promise, too bad he got injured), Mixon (never made it), Natter (still waiting to see what he can do), and Suttles (never made it).

2011 Class we took Reeves, Davie, Sutton and Sterup from instate.

2012 Class we took only Cotton from instate.

2013 Class we took only Banderas only from instate.

The 2016 Class we only have Stille. We've lost out on Bubak and Fant, but it appears the staff at least tried, but they apparently felt they fit better elsewhere. I wonder if we'd have Fant locked up had it not become fashionable for so many guys to leave the state and go to Iowa?

JMHO, but this attitude since Cally of pretty much letting Nebraska kids go elsewhere needs to stop. I hope this staff doesn't do the same. I'm not saying offer every Micah Kreikemeier, but we have been missing a lot of heart and fight that the instate kids gave us for decades, and in a season like this, we could sure use some more. Too bad this current generation of high school players have not grown up in an era where Nebraska kids seemed valuable to their state school.

 

[ridge22]

I hear what you are saying, but this is not the 80's or 90's where the state was really flush with talent. There have also been a few that NU has passed on that have not panned out, Bender to K-State, Sellers to KU, Lamkin to ISU. It is an inexact science. I would like to see Omaha and Lincoln start producing some better talent in the next few years. It is hard to have a run of players like there was in the 90's come out of the state. Look at all of the I-Backs that came out of Omaha from about 86 to 95, maybe that was due to the system, but you just don't see those athletes right now in Nebraska.

 

[newAD]

I hear what you are saying, but this is not the 80's or 90's where the state was really flush with talent. There have also been a few that NU has passed on that have not panned out, Bender to K-State, Sellers to KU, Lamkin to ISU. It is an inexact science. I would like to see Omaha and Lincoln start producing some better talent in the next few years. It is hard to have a run of players like there was in the 90's come out of the state. Look at all of the I-Backs that came out of Omaha from about 86 to 95, maybe that was due to the system, but you just don't see those athletes right now in Nebraska.

My point was the front 7 on D. We still produce those players. I'm not talking skill players. I could write an essay on why Omaha hasn't produced skill players in the last 10 years or so.

Somewhere along the line it just became assumed that Nebraska kids can't play at this level. When Nebraska doesn't offer, then no one thinks they are any good.

 

[jflores]

Due to our MASH unit defensive roster, I was looking at in state players we could have on the roster, but Pelini passed on, vs who we got.

2011- Didn't offer Cole Fisher. He is at Iowa and has been a contributor for most of his career. His brother wasn't utilized by Pelini much, but in a defense like Nebraska runs now, I think he'd excel. I think this led to Cole not being offered. Certainly could have used him IMO in the BIG. Who we took instead: Max Pirman (transferred, never really contributed) and David Santos (contributed, transferred or shown the door?).

2012- Didn't offer Drew Ott. He has been a contributor at Iowa. To bad for him he tore his ACL. Took Avery Moss (um, what happened again?) and Greg McMullen (Contributor/starter) instead. Certainly could use him IMO.

2012- Didn't offer Nathan Bazata. He is contributing at Iowa. Took Aaron Curry (Transferred to TCU) and Valentine (multi year starter). It'd be nice to have him.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101315aaj.html

2012- Didn't offer Casey Sayles. Ohio depth chart shows him a starter at Ohio at NT. May not sound impressive but if we lose to Minny, and Ohio should have, what does it say about Nebraska. He may have been a DE recruit here or maybe grows to DT but again took Curry, Valentine, McMullen, and Moss.

2012- Nick DeLuca, wasn't offered. Believe he is a starter at NDSU, and when was the last year you are sure Nebraska would have been able to beat them? Instead we took Afalava (gone, never did anything here), Zaire Anderson (was a contributor), Brown (never made it/did anything), Rose (happy about that). At 6' 3", 250, he could be a good physical MLB for BIG season.

2013- Harrison Phillips, offered but slow played. Started at Stanford, but tore a knee. Instead we took on the DL, Collins (happy with that), Gregory (good pick up, wish he was still here, could have done more), Maurice (showing promise, too bad he got injured), Mixon (never made it), Natter (still waiting to see what he can do), and Suttles (never made it).

2011 Class we took Reeves, Davie, Sutton and Sterup from instate.

2012 Class we took only Cotton from instate.

2013 Class we took only Banderas only from instate.

The 2016 Class we only have Stille. We've lost out on Bubak and Fant, but it appears the staff at least tried, but they apparently felt they fit better elsewhere. I wonder if we'd have Fant locked up had it not become fashionable for so many guys to leave the state and go to Iowa?

JMHO, but this attitude since Cally of pretty much letting Nebraska kids go elsewhere needs to stop. I hope this staff doesn't do the same. I'm not saying offer every Micah Kreikemeier, but we have been missing a lot of heart and fight that the instate kids gave us for decades, and in a season like this, we could sure use some more. Too bad this current generation of high school players have not grown up in an era where Nebraska kids seemed valuable to their state school.

I don't think Fant is at Iowa because it's fashionable.

 

[TruHusker]

it is always easy to go back a few years later and make the call. I think you are going to find this with about any coach. That is not to say they should not have been recruited but you can't look at things 2-4 years down the road, you have to make the assessment when they are seniors.

 

[red rover 70]

When it comes to players and recruiting newAD knows his stuff! I will follow his advice and treat his information as gospel. Others would be prudent to do likewise.

 

[MITCH492]

I'm not convinced Fant will stay with Iowa.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Outside of Ott (who every Husker fan wanted), it seems like you are doing a lot of hindsight kind of thing, which you can do with any program in the country. Impossible to predict injuries and transfers and boneheaded decisions to expose yourself. Ott was a swing and a miss, which happens, but the rest is just the way it goes. Seems like you're basically saying the previous staff should have been able to see into the future and know how everything would work out. Now you might say that isn't what you meant, but it looks like that's what you did. BTW,I wished I would have invested in Microsoft when I was a freshman in high school. No stock I currently own did as well as that one.

 

[supersport24]

Outside of Ott (who every Husker fan wanted), it seems like you are doing a lot of hindsight kind of thing, which you can do with any program in the country. Impossible to predict injuries and transfers and boneheaded decisions to expose yourself. Ott was a swing and a miss, which happens, but the rest is just the way it goes. Seems like you're basically saying the previous staff should have been able to see into the future and know how everything would work out. Now you might say that isn't what you meant, but it looks like that's what you did. BTW,I wished I would have invested in Microsoft when I was a freshman in high school. No stock I currently own did as well as that one.

Outside of Ott (who every Husker fan wanted), it seems like you are doing a lot of hindsight kind of thing, which you can do with any program in the country. Impossible to predict injuries and transfers and boneheaded decisions to expose yourself. Ott was a swing and a miss, which happens, but the rest is just the way it goes. Seems like you're basically saying the previous staff should have been able to see into the future and know how everything would work out. Now you might say that isn't what you meant, but it looks like that's what you did. BTW,I wished I would have invested in Microsoft when I was a freshman in high school. No stock I currently own did as well as that one.

Exactly, Ott was the only true screw up on the list. Phillips was still offered the season before his senior year. Pelini would have got blasted if he offered a lot of those guys on here.

 

[newAD]

I don't think Fant is at Iowa because it's fashionable.

Seth Olsen. Jeff Tarpinian, Prater brothers, Fisher, Ott, Bazaar, etc made it that much easier for Iowa to come in to Omaha and snag him. Had there not been so many local players going there in recent years, maybe Iowa doesn't find it so easy to woo him, and get him to leave.

 

[nebcountry]

Just did a simple search. 107 players from Nebraska are listed on Rivals. 81 of 107 show some sort of "interest" for NU. 5 of them are rated, all are 3 stars. NU has made offers to 3 of them (according to Rivals, and if I did the search correctly), Bubak, Fant, and Stille. Bubak and Fant both were offered by the previous staff, and both have chosen other programs for whatever reason. If nothing else changes, we end up with one scholarship player from Nebraska this year.

NU holds a camp for in-state kids to be evaluated. 3 offers. Some of the 107 players will go on to be contributors or maybe better, but the vast majority won't. We didn't offer in the past, and we aren't going to offer now. I really don't see what the point of this thread is, other than to use hindsight to list a handful of players out of hundreds.

 

[newAD]

Outside of Ott (who every Husker fan wanted), it seems like you are doing a lot of hindsight kind of thing, which you can do with any program in the country. Impossible to predict injuries and transfers and boneheaded decisions to expose yourself. Ott was a swing and a miss, which happens, but the rest is just the way it goes. Seems like you're basically saying the previous staff should have been able to see into the future and know how everything would work out. Now you might say that isn't what you meant, but it looks like that's what you did. BTW,I wished I would have invested in Microsoft when I was a freshman in high school. No stock I currently own did as well as that one.

No, I'm saying the previous two staffs basically gave up going after Nebraska kids. Had TO had this attitude would the Phill Ellis', Terry Connealy's, Danny Noonan's, Loran Kaiser's, Kevin Rameakers', Brian Shaw's, etc, etc ever have happened.

I'm saying that recent history shows that our recruiting classes will always have a certain percentage of out of state players who will leave when it becomes clear that they are not going to play, because there is not the loyalty factor.

I'm saying guys like Chris Webber and Andy Janovich (yes I know they are walk ons), who deep down inside have something to prove would certainly add something to the program.

Personally I'd love to have Deluca on this team. He was a 2 time first team all State selection in high school, he started all 4 of their Playoff games last year, and in his 5 starts, he averaged 9 tackles a game. But, oh, since the star gazers didn't view him worthy, he wasn't considered by the prior staff.

I'm saying that the types of classes Nebraska recruits, you can afford to take a chance on the right 1-2 instate kids, who will feel they have something to prove vs feel like they are owed something.

 

[newAD]

Just did a simple search. 107 players from Nebraska are listed on Rivals. 81 of 107 show some sort of "interest" for NU. 5 of them are rated, all are 3 stars. NU has made offers to 3 of them (according to Rivals, and if I did the search correctly), Bubak, Fant, and Stille. Bubak and Fant both were offered by the previous staff, and both have chosen other programs for whatever reason. If nothing else changes, we end up with one scholarship player from Nebraska this year.

NU holds a camp for in-state kids to be evaluated. 3 offers. Some of the 107 players will go on to be contributors or maybe better, but the vast majority won't. We didn't offer in the past, and we aren't going to offer now. I really don't see what the point of this thread is, other than to use hindsight to list a handful of players out of hundreds.

And I pointed out this staff tried on the 3 players you noted.

The prior 2 staffs didn't give the impression they value in state kids. I hope this staff will.

 

[Catch50]

Due to our MASH unit defensive roster, I was looking at in state players we could have on the roster, but Pelini passed on, vs who we got.

2011- Didn't offer Cole Fisher. He is at Iowa and has been a contributor for most of his career. His brother wasn't utilized by Pelini much, but in a defense like Nebraska runs now, I think he'd excel. I think this led to Cole not being offered. Certainly could have used him IMO in the BIG. Who we took instead: Max Pirman (transferred, never really contributed) and David Santos (contributed, transferred or shown the door?).

2012- Didn't offer Drew Ott. He has been a contributor at Iowa. To bad for him he tore his ACL. Took Avery Moss (um, what happened again?) and Greg McMullen (Contributor/starter) instead. Certainly could use him IMO.

2012- Didn't offer Nathan Bazata. He is contributing at Iowa. Took Aaron Curry (Transferred to TCU) and Valentine (multi year starter). It'd be nice to have him.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101315aaj.html

2012- Didn't offer Casey Sayles. Ohio depth chart shows him a starter at Ohio at NT. May not sound impressive but if we lose to Minny, and Ohio should have, what does it say about Nebraska. He may have been a DE recruit here or maybe grows to DT but again took Curry, Valentine, McMullen, and Moss.

2012- Nick DeLuca, wasn't offered. Believe he is a starter at NDSU, and when was the last year you are sure Nebraska would have been able to beat them? Instead we took Afalava (gone, never did anything here), Zaire Anderson (was a contributor), Brown (never made it/did anything), Rose (happy about that). At 6' 3", 250, he could be a good physical MLB for BIG season.

2013- Harrison Phillips, offered but slow played. Started at Stanford, but tore a knee. Instead we took on the DL, Collins (happy with that), Gregory (good pick up, wish he was still here, could have done more), Maurice (showing promise, too bad he got injured), Mixon (never made it), Natter (still waiting to see what he can do), and Suttles (never made it).

2011 Class we took Reeves, Davie, Sutton and Sterup from instate.

2012 Class we took only Cotton from instate.

2013 Class we took only Banderas only from instate.

The 2016 Class we only have Stille. We've lost out on Bubak and Fant, but it appears the staff at least tried, but they apparently felt they fit better elsewhere. I wonder if we'd have Fant locked up had it not become fashionable for so many guys to leave the state and go to Iowa?

JMHO, but this attitude since Cally of pretty much letting Nebraska kids go elsewhere needs to stop. I hope this staff doesn't do the same. I'm not saying offer every Micah Kreikemeier, but we have been missing a lot of heart and fight that the instate kids gave us for decades, and in a season like this, we could sure use some more. Too bad this current generation of high school players have not grown up in an era where Nebraska kids seemed valuable to their state school.

DeLuca is starting at NDSU and leads the team in tackles.

 

[newAD]

DeLuca is starting at NDSU and leads the team in tackles.

And he's a hell of a football player. But.....he didn't have enough stars by his name for Pelini.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Due to our MASH unit defensive roster, I was looking at in state players we could have on the roster, but Pelini passed on, vs who we got.

2011- Didn't offer Cole Fisher. He is at Iowa and has been a contributor for most of his career. His brother wasn't utilized by Pelini much, but in a defense like Nebraska runs now, I think he'd excel. I think this led to Cole not being offered. Certainly could have used him IMO in the BIG. Who we took instead: Max Pirman (transferred, never really contributed) and David Santos (contributed, transferred or shown the door?).

2012- Didn't offer Drew Ott. He has been a contributor at Iowa. To bad for him he tore his ACL. Took Avery Moss (um, what happened again?) and Greg McMullen (Contributor/starter) instead. Certainly could use him IMO.

2012- Didn't offer Nathan Bazata. He is contributing at Iowa. Took Aaron Curry (Transferred to TCU) and Valentine (multi year starter). It'd be nice to have him.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101315aaj.html

2012- Didn't offer Casey Sayles. Ohio depth chart shows him a starter at Ohio at NT. May not sound impressive but if we lose to Minny, and Ohio should have, what does it say about Nebraska. He may have been a DE recruit here or maybe grows to DT but again took Curry, Valentine, McMullen, and Moss.

2012- Nick DeLuca, wasn't offered. Believe he is a starter at NDSU, and when was the last year you are sure Nebraska would have been able to beat them? Instead we took Afalava (gone, never did anything here), Zaire Anderson (was a contributor), Brown (never made it/did anything), Rose (happy about that). At 6' 3", 250, he could be a good physical MLB for BIG season.

2013- Harrison Phillips, offered but slow played. Started at Stanford, but tore a knee. Instead we took on the DL, Collins (happy with that), Gregory (good pick up, wish he was still here, could have done more), Maurice (showing promise, too bad he got injured), Mixon (never made it), Natter (still waiting to see what he can do), and Suttles (never made it).

2011 Class we took Reeves, Davie, Sutton and Sterup from instate.

2012 Class we took only Cotton from instate.

2013 Class we took only Banderas only from instate.

The 2016 Class we only have Stille. We've lost out on Bubak and Fant, but it appears the staff at least tried, but they apparently felt they fit better elsewhere. I wonder if we'd have Fant locked up had it not become fashionable for so many guys to leave the state and go to Iowa?

JMHO, but this attitude since Cally of pretty much letting Nebraska kids go elsewhere needs to stop. I hope this staff doesn't do the same. I'm not saying offer every Micah Kreikemeier, but we have been missing a lot of heart and fight that the instate kids gave us for decades, and in a season like this, we could sure use some more. Too bad this current generation of high school players have not grown up in an era where Nebraska kids seemed valuable to their state school.

I know Bo (and staff) didn't do everything they needed to fill the classes, but when we start discussing players that went to Ohio and North Dakota State, we're reaching a bit. The only players mentioned that I would have taken over those we got are Ott and maybe Fischer, although I was never really sold on his brother's play at Nebraska. I wasn't upset with Bo for the talent he took as much as I was for mailing in the effort on our last 5 or 6 recruits, or not taking as many recruits as he could each year.

I will always say that Ferentz is a better coach than Bo. Go look at the talent on Iowa's roster. There is no way in hell Bo and his merry band of misfits would take that talent to 6-0. I maintain that if you gave Ferentz (and staff) the talent Bo had recruited here, he would have won our division every year, and we might have won a B1G title in 2011, 2012, or 2013.

 

[red rover 70]

Just look at Janovich ànd our current play. He's the guy making play after play yet look how Bo utilized him.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Wait...are we now complaining that Bo went after players that only had a lot of stars? ha

Come on! The man was a horrible recruiter in every sense of the word. If anything he seemed to go after a lot of low ranked guys

 

[JHball]

For hating the guy so much you sure do share a lot of similarities

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Just look at Janovich ànd our current play. He's the guy making play after play yet look how Bo utilized him.

So...Jano should have been taking touches from AA?

 

[red rover 70]

Wait...are we now complaining that Bo went after players that only had a lot of stars? ha

Come on! The man was a horrible recruiter in every sense of the word. If anything he seemed to go after a lot of low ranked guys

No, i think the point is he didn't like Nebraska and didn't respect the kid's from here.

 

[newAD]

I know Bo (and staff) didn't do everything they needed to fill the classes, but when we start discussing players that went to Ohio and North Dakota State, we're reaching a bit. The only players mentioned that I would have taken over those we got are Ott and maybe Fischer, although I was never really sold on his brother's play at Nebraska. I wasn't upset with Bo for the talent he took as much as I was for mailing in the effort on our last 5 or 6 recruits, or not taking as many recruits as he could each year.

I will always say that Ferentz is a better coach than Bo. Go look at the talent on Iowa's roster. There is no way in hell Bo and his merry band of misfits would take that talent to 6-0. I maintain that if you gave Ferentz (and staff) the talent Bo had recruited here, he would have won our division every year, and we might have won a B1G title in 2011, 2012, or 2013.

But ask yourself, why do Nebraska kids end up at North Dakota State and Ohio? Could it be because the coaches there at the time realize there are some players to be found?

Nebraska kids are victims of population and geography. We are surrounded by South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa. Not exactly hotbeds for college football. So if Nebraska doesn't see value in a kid in state, why would major P5 schools (minus the schools bordering the state) possibly offer? That doesn't leave a lot of options for most Nebraska kids, thus the Dakota schools, Ohio, and now Wyoming get a few. If Nebraska was located say where Indiana was, I'd bet there'd be more options available.

So when you say oh well this kid only went to NDSU, I'd say, when Nebraska doesn't offer, the other P5 schools automatically think, why offer this kid? Nebraska didn't even offer him. So the fact that Deluca ended up at NDSU doesn't mean the kid couldnt play here. And as I asked before, when is the last year you think Nebraska would beat NDSU?

I'm just glad these star rankings weren't around in the 60s-90s. It seems some coaches and a lot of fans today are more worried about where their school will end up on ESPNs Signing Day Special Rankings than they are finding football players.

 

[red rover 70]

So...Jano should have been taking touches from AA?

So was Rathman taking touches away from Craig??? Or did his skill complement the offense??? I choose the later.