Met a friend of a friend this week who's son was roommates with Hunter last year. Guy said Hunter was skinny as a rail and his son said Hunter was just constantly partying. In comes HCSF, Hunter was up at the crack of dawn every day going to the gym and stopped partying all the time. Guy said he saw Hunter this spring and was shocked at how big he had gotten. End of story... believe in HCSF... it's working.