Harbaugh re satellite camps

[inWV]

jimmy h doesn't have a big fan base here from what I've seen but I liked this
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...igan-coach-ncaa-bans-satellite-camp/82956254/

 

[Husker.Wed.]

jimmy h doesn't have a big fan base here from what I've seen but I liked this
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...igan-coach-ncaa-bans-satellite-camp/82956254/

I'm as quick to bash Harbaugh an any other fan who doesn't wear maize and blue, but in this case I can't find one statement he made in the article I disagree with. I'm glad he had the nads to say what he did.

 

[newAD]

I'm as quick to bash Harbaugh an any other fan who doesn't wear maize and blue, but in this case I can't find one statement he made in the article I disagree with. I'm glad he had the nads to say what he did.

I hope his brother holds a "John Harbaigh Football camp" somewhere down south in the heart of SEC country this summer with Ravens staff, and then shares the evaluations with his brother. The NCAA couldn't do $#^@ about it, and it would piss off the crooked as a dog's hind leg SEC people.

OR, have a bunch of Michigan alum with NFL experience run camps all over the south. I can't stand Tom Brady, but if he did this and gave a finger to the critics I'd love it. It'd be even better of they all wore Michigan shirts.

 

[Cloud@Heart]

That's a great idea newAD, except who you have running it!

Suh is going to run a big and nasty big man camp.

Lavonte is running a beast mode linebacker clinic.

A kicker camp by committee,.... What else we got?

 

[newAD]

That's a great idea newAD, except who you have running it!

Suh is going to run a big and nasty big man camp.

Lavonte is running a beast mode linebacker clinic.

A kicker camp by committee,.... What else we got?

I'd certainly love to see an unofficial Nebraska camp(s) get going down south too with any alumni interested in doing so. Maybe Zac Taylor could help Suh in the Miami area.

I'm just not sure Riley would be able to round up enough to push the envelope like JH would.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

That's a great idea newAD, except who you have running it!

Suh is going to run a big and nasty big man camp.

Lavonte is running a beast mode linebacker clinic.

A kicker camp by committee,.... What else we got?

We could field a damn good "500" throwing team.

 

[jay-cheese]

Change is tough (especially for the South). They can stop this (for now) but I'm sure there is another method teams will try. Somebody or group at the NCAA likely got paid to make this happen...

 

[jteten]

I understand his angst, but Im relatively sure that if Saban had camps in Ohio and Michigan, the outrage from Jim would be rather loud. Everyone tries to protect their turf. I understand both sides.

 

[Soda Popinski]

I understand his angst, but Im relatively sure that if Saban had camps in Ohio and Michigan, the outrage from Jim would be rather loud. Everyone tries to protect their turf. I understand both sides.

The difference is that wouldn't be worth Saban's time. Now if Saban and Meyer switched positions, would Saban have held satellite camps and be whining and complaining to holy hell right now about the decision? You betcha.

 

[newAD]

I understand his angst, but Im relatively sure that if Saban had camps in Ohio and Michigan, the outrage from Jim would be rather loud. Everyone tries to protect their turf. I understand both sides.

So I guess we should have an academic equivalent to this, and start banning college fairs. After all, a conference with 5 of the bottom 10 states for education should do whatever they can to keep their best and brightest.

 

[jteten]

The difference is that wouldn't be worth Saban's time. Now if Saban and Meyer switched positions, would Saban have held satellite camps and be whining and complaining to holy hell right now about the decision? You betcha.

Absolutely. Its all relative. I cant imagine why anyone is surprised/outraged by the SEC/ACC coaches trying to block this. However, its absurd for the NCAA to govern such a thing.

 

[newAD]

Absolutely. Its all relative. I cant imagine why anyone is surprised/outraged by the SEC/ACC coaches trying to block this. However, its absurd for the NCAA to govern such a thing.

This^^^^^^.

IMO, this is nothing more then the NCAA caving to the pressure of the SEC/ACC/BIG 12 school, as they are scared of the possibility of them bolting (and taking other major conferences) to form a new organization, and thus making them irrelevant.

 

[Soda Popinski]

Absolutely. Its all relative. I cant imagine why anyone is surprised/outraged by the SEC/ACC coaches trying to block this. However, its absurd for the NCAA to govern such a thing.

I think the difference is cultural between the SEC and BIG. The SEC long ago gave up trying to pretend that college football was anything but a business. The BIG is still living in denial for the most part and doesn't want to concede that at least for college football, there are no student athletes.

 

[newAD]

I think the difference is cultural between the SEC and BIG. The SEC long ago gave up trying to pretend that college football was anything but a business. The BIG is still living in denial for the most part and doesn't want to concede that at least for college football, there are no student athletes.

Cultural?

 

[ellobo]

@jteten you shouldn't be so sure...Harbaugh gave an open invitation to EVERY single college coach in the nation (last year) to be a guest at "Exposure U" which was the big summer camp held in Ann Arbor. Pat Fitzgerald actually took him up on it and Harbaugh made him a keynote speaker at the camp.

In addition, the Sound Mind Sound Body camp started in Detroit and has had college coaches from around the country attend. Meyer and his staff have been regulars. Both Michigan and MSU gave been strong supporters of SMSB which not only allowed out of state coaches exposure to Detroit but brought in tOSU as one of the draws for kids.

 

[jteten]

So I guess we should have an academic equivalent to this, and start banning college fairs. After all, a conference with 5 of the bottom 10 states for education should do whatever they can to keep their best and brightest.

@jteten you shouldn't be so sure...Harbaugh gave an open invitation to EVERY single college coach in the nation (last year) to be a guest at "Exposure U" which was the big summer camp held in Ann Arbor. Pat Fitzgerald actually took him up on it and Harbaugh made him a keynote speaker at the camp.

In addition, the Sound Mind Sound Body camp started in Detroit and has had college coaches from around the country attend. Meyer and his staff have been regulars. Both Michigan and MSU gave been strong supporters of SMSB which not only allowed out of state coaches exposure to Detroit but brought in tOSU as one of the draws for kids.

There is a significant difference in being a controlled guest at a summer camp held at Ann Arbor, vs a satellite camp.

To be very clear, I dont care who does what and where. Recruiting is down and dirty, and takes a tremendous amount of effort and time to be successful, especially when recruiting in someone elses backyard. Harbaugh is clearly out-working other coaches and doing what it takes to "win" on the recruiting front. It sucks for us and everyone else, but the stakes have been raised when he joined the BIG. The conference is better for it.

 

[ellobo]

There is a significant difference in being a controlled guest at a summer camp held at Ann Arbor, vs a satellite camp.

To be very clear, I dont care who does what and where. Recruiting is down and dirty, and takes a tremendous amount of effort and time to be successful, especially when recruiting in someone elses backyard. Harbaugh is clearly out-working other coaches and doing what it takes to "win" on the recruiting front. It sucks for us and everyone else, but the stakes have been raised when he joined the BIG. The conference is better for it.

SMSB is not controlled by Michigan. In fact one of its founders now works for MSU. Michigan has just been one of its advocates but as a guest as it was in essence a satellite camp that happened to be held within the state...this upcoming year it was to be extended into other states in which any coach could attend.

As you point out Harbaugh is out working other coaches. But you might not be quite familiar with his personality. He wouldn't have been bothered by coaches trying to do what he does (even in his home state)...rather he would take it as challenge to work even harder....he is weird and wired like that.

 

[jteten]

SMSB is not controlled by Michigan. In fact one of its founders now works for MSU. Michigan has just been one of its advocates but as a guest as it was in essence a satellite camp that happened to be held within the state...this upcoming year it was to be extended into other states in which any coach could attend.

As you point out Harbaugh is out working other coaches. But you might not be quite familiar with his personality. He wouldn't have been bothered by coaches trying to do what he does (even in his home state)...rather he would take it as challenge to work even harder....he is weird and wired like that.

Jim, is that you?

 

[Hoosker Du]

Listening to Mike Leach, and he said that 11 of the 12 PAC-12 schools voted to keep satellite camps (1 abstention). And yet the PAC-12 as a conference voted against keeping satellite camps. How does something like that happen??

 

[ellobo]

Jim, is that you?

The funny thing is the last time someone challenged me on your board less than 24 yours later your own coach (Riley) said EXACTLY what I did. That was about a week ago. Again, confirmed what I said...your own coach did that...

I'm not some super insider...I'm not a psychic or whatever...but I do this really odd thing...it's called reading the news. When it comes to Michigan I might be a pseudo insider because I'm an alum who gives enough to go to the events which any alum can go to as long as we write a big enough check to cover the meal and tip. Group that with my ability to read and my ability to pay $200 a year for a couple subscriptions to our sites...and...

And...

Well...I can give you an informed opinion...your snark is noted

 

[TheLiberalHunter]

The funny thing is the last time someone challenged me on your board less than 24 yours later your own coach (Riley) said EXACTLY what I did. That was about a week ago. Again, confirmed what I said...your own coach did that...

I'm not some super insider...I'm not a psychic or whatever...but I do this really odd thing...it's called reading the news. When it comes to Michigan I might be a pseudo insider because I'm an alum who gives enough to go to the events which any alum can go to as long as we write a big enough check to cover the meal and tip. Group that with my ability to read and my ability to pay $200 a year for a couple subscriptions to our sites...and...

And...

Well...I can give you an informed opinion...your snark is noted

Do you have a Twitter Feed I can follow? You seem to have good insight. I'm a Liberal and could use all the FREE education I can get....I kid....I'm not a Liberal.

 

[jteten]

The funny thing is the last time someone challenged me on your board less than 24 yours later your own coach (Riley) said EXACTLY what I did. That was about a week ago. Again, confirmed what I said...your own coach did that...

I'm not some super insider...I'm not a psychic or whatever...but I do this really odd thing...it's called reading the news. When it comes to Michigan I might be a pseudo insider because I'm an alum who gives enough to go to the events which any alum can go to as long as we write a big enough check to cover the meal and tip. Group that with my ability to read and my ability to pay $200 a year for a couple subscriptions to our sites...and...

And...

Well...I can give you an informed opinion...your snark is noted

Thanks for stopping by Jim!

I have some info that might just blow your mind.......ready? You are just a message board poster, like everyone else on here and the Michigan boards. Sure, you have a different perspective on a Nebraska board, but that is simply because you are a Michigan fan, but that is not revolutionary. So, tap the breaks on your incredible ability to read a couple of articles and then regurgitate the info to a bunch of free board posters, all while clearly having a tremendous Michigan bias. Oh, and congrats on the ability to pay $200.

 

[timnsun]

Thanks for stopping by Jim!

I have some info that might just blow your mind.......ready? You are just a message board poster, like everyone else on here and the Michigan boards. Sure, you have a different perspective on a Nebraska board, but that is simply because you are a Michigan fan, but that is not revolutionary. So, tap the breaks on your incredible ability to read a couple of articles and then regurgitate the info to a bunch of free board posters, all while clearly having a tremendous Michigan bias. Oh, and congrats on the ability to pay $200.

What did ellobo say that was wrong? Even if it was opinion, are only Nebraska fans allowed an opinion?

Even though ellobo is a Michigan fan, i think he has good info more often than not. We have people on this board who do so much more trolling than ellobo; I may not always agree with him but he certainly isn't disrespectful.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[jay-cheese]

Wow...once again posters on this site showing major ignorance. Ellobo, what you are witnessing is stupidity from those that label you as an outsider and different b/c the Huskers aren't your #1 team. I understand that mentality, but it's a stupid one. I've read your messages. They are easily much more intelligent and thought provoking than the norm here. As you can see, that's very threatening b/c it's different than what they are accustomed too. Good luck. Frankly, it's nice to see intelligent discussion...

GBR

 

[jteten]

Wow...once again posters on this site showing major ignorance. Ellobo, what you are witnessing is stupidity from those that label you as an outsider and different b/c the Huskers aren't your #1 team. I understand that mentality, but it's a stupid one. I've read your messages. They are easily much more intelligent and thought provoking than the norm here. As you can see, that's very threatening b/c it's different than what they are accustomed too. Good luck. Frankly, it's nice to see intelligent discussion...

GBR

You are just upset that your Kobe thread backfired. It happens.

 

[jteten]

What did ellobo say that was wrong? Even if it was opinion, are only Nebraska fans allowed an opinion?

Even though ellobo is a Michigan fan, i think he has good info more often than not. We have people on this board who do so much more trolling than ellobo; I may not always agree with him but he certainly isn't disrespectful.

Just my 2 cents...

I was likely too aggressive. Its fair to think im a D for it. Ill own it.

Apologies to Ellobo.

 

[timnsun]

I was likely too aggressive. Its fair to think im a D for it. Ill own it.

Apologies to Ellobo.

Don't be too hard on yourself...

There are a lot of opposing fans I would love to see gone, ellobo just isn't one of them. You can definitely be aggressive towards a lot of Iowa fans, for example.

 

[SilentCommit]

Do you have a Twitter Feed I can follow? You seem to have good insight. I'm a Liberal and could use all the FREE education I can get....I kid....I'm not a Liberal.

I'm starting to doubt you even know what a "liberal" is. Worse, I'm starting to doubt you can think for yourself. Good news though - today's another chance to think outside your comfort zone.

 

[ellobo]

Thanks to those who recognize that I come in peace and at least attempt to give an intelligent point of view. And @jteten ....I will give you the respect deserved for actually admitting you might have come off as a bit strong...most would just pretend it never happened and abandoned the thread.

Speaking of which (in an attempt to get this back on track)...it hasn't been hard for me to find topics of interest (to me) on other schools boards lately. If you haven't noticed (ha ha) Harbaugh has been in the news a bit lately. When I go to other boards there are many words I've seen used to describe him with many not being kind (believe it or not you guys are a lot more civil about his personality than most). But here is the thing...Harbaugh is...well...different...so it is not unexpected to see people react to him in different ways.

Some might say he "follows the beat of a different drummer"...I would counter he "follows the beat of some guy playing a didgeridoo, with a kazoo sticking out of each nostril and wires attached to his leg that beats a drum attached to his back every time he takes a step." Yeah, maybe a bit of a strange image but it is this analogy or metaphor (not sure which to call it) that might explain the disconnect between myself and jteten.

Jteten, the first mistake I think (imo) is that you came to the conclusion that Harbaugh would act like others: that if roles were reversed he would feel the same way. The second mistake (if I read into the intent of your posts correctly) I think you made is to assume I was trying to be a homer defending him instead of just being a homer trying to explain him who thinks that if someone doesn't like him (after getting the facts or at least an objective opinion) then so be it. I threw out an actual fact: SMSB is a "non-Michigan" controlled camp held in Detroit which among many things gave our biggest rival a large stage in Michigan each year. Now, instead of fighting it, it was embraced. Moreover, Harbaugh looked at that and the fact other schools where doing something more direct (though not technically doing so, they were in spirit "co-hosting" satellite camps in other states) and took it as a challenge (he saw an opportunity) to work even harder and bring it to another level (instead of whining about it like some other coaches did/do). That is the part of his personality I was trying to explain to you...he is weird and wired like that.

 

[leodisflowers]

Thanks to those who recognize that I come in peace and at least attempt to give an intelligent point of view. And @jteten ....I will give you the respect deserved for actually admitting you might have come off as a bit strong...most would just pretend it never happened and abandoned the thread.

Speaking of which (in an attempt to get this back on track)...it hasn't been hard for me to find topics of interest (to me) on other schools boards lately. If you haven't noticed (ha ha) Harbaugh has been in the news a bit lately. When I go to other boards there are many words I've seen used to describe him with many not being kind (believe it or not you guys are a lot more civil about his personality than most). But here is the thing...Harbaugh is...well...different...so it is not unexpected to see people react to him in different ways.

Some might say he "follows the beat of a different drummer"...I would counter he "follows the beat of some guy playing a didgeridoo, with a kazoo sticking out of each nostril and wires attached to his leg that beats a drum attached to his back every time he takes a step." Yeah, maybe a bit of a strange image but it is this analogy or metaphor (not sure which to call it) that might explain the disconnect between myself and jteten.

Jteten, the first mistake I think (imo) is that you came to the conclusion that Harbaugh would act like others: that if roles were reversed he would feel the same way. The second mistake (if I read into the intent of your posts correctly) I think you made is to assume I was trying to be a homer defending him instead of just being a homer trying to explain him who thinks that if someone doesn't like him (after getting the facts or at least an objective opinion) then so be it. I threw out an actual fact: SMSB is a "non-Michigan" controlled camp held in Detroit which among many things gave our biggest rival a large stage in Michigan each year. Now, instead of fighting it, it was embraced. Moreover, Harbaugh looked at that and the fact other schools where doing something more direct (though not technically doing so, they were in spirit "co-hosting" satellite camps in other states) and took it as a challenge (he saw an opportunity) to work even harder and bring it to another level (instead of whining about it like some other coaches did/do). That is the part of his personality I was trying to explain to you...he is weird and wired like that.

I don't care how the guy is wired.. He's a winner, and I'd take him any day of the week. He is an outside of the box thinker, and the guy gets it done. Love him or hate him, you can't contest anything he has done in football. UM is lucky, and is going to be a power again very soon.

 

[jteten]

Thanks to those who recognize that I come in peace and at least attempt to give an intelligent point of view. And @jteten ....I will give you the respect deserved for actually admitting you might have come off as a bit strong...most would just pretend it never happened and abandoned the thread.

Speaking of which (in an attempt to get this back on track)...it hasn't been hard for me to find topics of interest (to me) on other schools boards lately. If you haven't noticed (ha ha) Harbaugh has been in the news a bit lately. When I go to other boards there are many words I've seen used to describe him with many not being kind (believe it or not you guys are a lot more civil about his personality than most). But here is the thing...Harbaugh is...well...different...so it is not unexpected to see people react to him in different ways.

Some might say he "follows the beat of a different drummer"...I would counter he "follows the beat of some guy playing a didgeridoo, with a kazoo sticking out of each nostril and wires attached to his leg that beats a drum attached to his back every time he takes a step." Yeah, maybe a bit of a strange image but it is this analogy or metaphor (not sure which to call it) that might explain the disconnect between myself and jteten.

Jteten, the first mistake I think (imo) is that you came to the conclusion that Harbaugh would act like others: that if roles were reversed he would feel the same way. The second mistake (if I read into the intent of your posts correctly) I think you made is to assume I was trying to be a homer defending him instead of just being a homer trying to explain him who thinks that if someone doesn't like him (after getting the facts or at least an objective opinion) then so be it. I threw out an actual fact: SMSB is a "non-Michigan" controlled camp held in Detroit which among many things gave our biggest rival a large stage in Michigan each year. Now, instead of fighting it, it was embraced. Moreover, Harbaugh looked at that and the fact other schools where doing something more direct (though not technically doing so, they were in spirit "co-hosting" satellite camps in other states) and took it as a challenge (he saw an opportunity) to work even harder and bring it to another level (instead of whining about it like some other coaches did/do). That is the part of his personality I was trying to explain to you...he is weird and wired like that.

I'll keep it relatively short regarding my thoughts, and (mostly) ignore what you perceive as my mistakes. Here are my thoughts on Harbaugh.

First of all, he could coach my team any day of the week, period. Understand that.

He also has permanent redass. Just like Saban, the old ball coach, Urb, Bo, etc... I dont buy that, if he coached Bama, he would take high road regarding the satellite camps and simply see it as a challenge and work harder. Great coaches are always working for advantages.....Always. Show me a coach that doesnt push the envelope and find ways to recruit better, gameplan harder, and bend the rules to succeed, and I will show you a coach without a job.....and that includes our sainted Dr. Tom back in the day. I am of an opinion that Jim would pull a scholarship from his mom if it meant making his team better, and im good with that.

That should make it relatively clear that we will not agree regarding Jim, and thats cool. Just know that being closer to a situation or person might make you more informed, but it also makes you susceptible to bias.

 

[TheLiberalHunter]

I'm starting to doubt you even know what a "liberal" is. Worse, I'm starting to doubt you can think for yourself. Good news though - today's another chance to think outside your comfort zone.

I'm starting to think you like stalking...you didn't used to work at a Flower Shop in Wayne, NE, did you? you have some of the same traits...it seems. I am glad I have you thinking for me like a good Lib. Control the words, win the argument....

SC: Lib Hunter...I don't like what you post

Lib Hunter: So, don't read it..

SC: no, I mean I don't want anyone else to read it, either.

Anything else you need defined?

 

[ellobo]

I'll keep it relatively short regarding my thoughts, and (mostly) ignore what you perceive as my mistakes. Here are my thoughts on Harbaugh.

First of all, he could coach my team any day of the week, period. Understand that.

He also has permanent redass. Just like Saban, the old ball coach, Urb, Bo, etc... I dont buy that, if he coached Bama, he would take high road regarding the satellite camps and simply see it as a challenge and work harder. Great coaches are always working for advantages.....Always. Show me a coach that doesnt push the envelope and find ways to recruit better, gameplan harder, and bend the rules to succeed, and I will show you a coach without a job.....and that includes our sainted Dr. Tom back in the day. I am of an opinion that Jim would pull a scholarship from his mom if it meant making his team better, and im good with that.

That should make it relatively clear that we will not agree regarding Jim, and thats cool. Just know that being closer to a situation or person might make you more informed, but it also makes you susceptible to bias.

I don't think you and I are as far off as you think (or I did before what you just wrote). In fact, I couldn't agree more that he is the type of coach that looks to work every advantage possible. But where I see it as different is he tries to work the rules, to put them in his favor, instead of just complaining when the rule is not in his favor. This does not mean he likes all the rules (he is quite expressive about the ones he doesn't) but his personality has shown to be one that he feels he will get more done trying to find better ways to work them then trying to change them...I mean within days of the satellite camp vote it was announced he will be giving the commencement speech at Paramus Catholic a NJ power house program (yes that story is real if you've seen it)...and there is more to come, the next thing will be bigger...

 

[SilentCommit]

I'm starting to think you like stalking...you didn't used to work at a Flower Shop in Wayne, NE, did you? you have some of the same traits...it seems. I am glad I have you thinking for me like a good Lib. Control the words, win the argument....

SC: Lib Hunter...I don't like what you post

Lib Hunter: So, don't read it..

SC: no, I mean I don't want anyone else to read it, either.

Anything else you need defined?

Not at all, you're more than welcome to your opinion, although I do disagree. Not aware of anything in Wayne, Ne. (besides, I assume, people). I'll guess that's a slam? I simply would wish you wouldn't brand all liberals with your particular impression - there are some that fit the mold you describe, but many that do not. I don't, for example, think that all conservatives are knuckle dragging, gun kissing, bible thumping reactionaries. I don't want to change your opinions. However, I only reply when you make threads about liberals, rather than the subject at hand. In my (lone) opinion, it doesn't offer anything of value to our board community. I'm not telling you to stop with your incessant anti-liberal agenda, but I hope that you'll at least think about what value it brings.