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Husker Hank

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Despite Republican efforts to suppress votes, the dems could still hold the house and easily add to their majority in the Senate so then the filibuster will be ended. Then all the Republican efforts will be for not.
it's 'naught' brainiac....
 

stevehammer

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"All of the recounts turned out the same".

I'm sorry, but God what a dumb ass you seem to be!

The problem had NOTHING to do with how votes are counted, but rather how they were obtained in a world where tens of millions of absentee ballots were floating around that anyone could have cast.

You don't care about evidence and anything I show you, like for example 90% of the votes in my county above the 2016 total numbers went for Biden when historically the distribution of new votes has stayed close to the final vote split in every other freaking election, you'll just discount with some bullshit excuse.

You're just happy that your side won, and you don't care if they had to stuff the ballot box to do it.

You can't have evidence without an investigation.

It's like have a person shot dead and the police come upon the body and guy with a gun and blood on him is standing over the body. Then the police say, you're free to go, because no one saw who shot the dead person.
Man, you got FVCKING nothing. NOTHING at all to point to as actual evidence of any sort of fraud. Nothing. 60 court cases with no results. Trump's attorneys actually had to admit they were not accusing fraud. If you think your county is so dang off, why are there no court cases? Why are there no criminal charges?

You're delusional. Do you even know how absentee ballots work? They don't give them to fictional people, man. You're so freaking brainwashed it's absolutely pathetic. Biden won by 7 million votes. Fvcking admit he won already. Republicans are always going on and on about the Constitution, until it's inconvenient for them.
 

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And what is an impossible vote distribution?
For the 20th time, for example, in all of the "new" votes in 2020 above 2016 in my county in Georgia (a large one), Biden got 90% of these votes. In all past elections, the increase in votes from one election to the next has been distributed close to the distribution of the final result. It's pretty clear that a bunch of Biden votes in bulk was thrown into the mix.

This happened in all of these contested states, and these votes mostly came in late with the same pattern.
 

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Man, you got FVCKING nothing. NOTHING at all to point to as actual evidence of any sort of fraud. Nothing. 60 court cases with no results. Trump's attorneys actually had to admit they were not accusing fraud. If you think your county is so dang off, why are there no court cases? Why are there no criminal charges?

You're delusional. Do you even know how absentee ballots work? They don't give them to fictional people, man. You're so freaking brainwashed it's absolutely pathetic. Biden won by 7 million votes. Fvcking admit he won already. Republicans are always going on and on about the Constitution, until it's inconvenient for them.
I know 100X what you will ever be capable of knowing about this stuff. Point to all of the court cases you want, but the flux of absentee ballots filled out by "helpers" and turned in late was what turned this election.

You can call me any name in the book, but what happened here was obvious to anyone with 1/2 a wit. Just keep writing about court cases and fictional people, as if that was ever a point and keep wallowing in your own biased crap.

What does talking about the constitution have to do with anything here? The constitution does not call for unlimited, no questions asked, absentee ballots and no voter ID, the central tenant of how you guys steal elections.

It's NEVER going to happen again you freaking thieves!
 
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Here let me debunk it before he responds.




What is this crap?
 

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People still talking about the huge fraud refuse to look at what would have had to go into such a thing. The number of people that need to be involved would be massive and no way does it stay quiet. All it takes is a little common sense to see that could not happen. In addition the numbers that keep getting thrown around with percentages are ridiculous and wrong.
 

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I know 100X what you will ever be capable of knowing about this stuff. Point to all of the court cases you want, but the flux of absentee ballots filled out by "helpers" and turned in late was what turned this election.

You can call me any name in the book, but what happened here was obvious to anyone with 1/2 a wit. Just keep writing about court cases and fictional people, as if that was ever a point and keep wallowing in your own biased crap.

What does talking about the constitution have to do with anything here? The constitution does not call for unlimited, no questions asked, absentee ballots and no voter ID, the central tenant of how you guys steal elections.

It's NEVER going to happen again you freaking thieves!
You should go back to playing with crayons.
 

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Dude you've been shown a dozen times that's not true. Yore an idiot who doesn't understand math
You can't just say stuff ^^^ and proclaim what I say isn't true just to serve your purpose. Cobb County Georgia. Trump had a normal amount of increased voting for our population growth, Biden well, did not.

Cobb County voters trend conservative and that still showed in the most of the down ballot, but for some reason, they voted for Biden by 13 points. Republican Tom Price won our congressional seat 62-38 in 2016, but in 2020, the democrat won by 5 points, a 29 point swing going from a medical doctor to a flight attendant. Our county demographics have not changed like that in 4 years.

First, tell me what math is wrong dipshit. Second, tell me with a straight face that Biden would have won without unlimited and unchecked absentee voting.

20162020Delta
Clinton then Biden163,01449.78%223,13456.67%60,12090.75%
Trump/Libertarian164,48550.22%170,61243.33%6,1279.25%
 

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You should go back to playing with crayons.
The bane of this generation is that when they have nothing to offer, they resort just to wisecracks and proclaiming how "smart" they are. What a joke!

BTW, I colored with crayons when I was a kid, I didn't "play" with them. What are you, some kind of freak?
 

HUSKERinLA

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The bane of this generation is that when they have nothing to offer, they resort just to wisecracks and proclaiming how "smart" they are. What a joke!

BTW, I colored with crayons when I was a kid, I didn't "play" with them. What are you, some kind of freak?
LOL @ you grew up!
 

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For the 20th time, for example, in all of the "new" votes in 2020 above 2016 in my county in Georgia (a large one), Biden got 90% of these votes. In all past elections, the increase in votes from one election to the next has been distributed close to the distribution of the final result. It's pretty clear that a bunch of Biden votes in bulk was thrown into the mix.

This happened in all of these contested states, and these votes mostly came in late with the same pattern.

I don't know where you're getting this or why you're sticking to it, we've been through your formula, you've confirmed my interpretation of your formula, it's been shown a flawed metric.

According to your formula in 2016 "154%" of "new votes" - over 2012 - in Cobb County went to Clinton. In 2012 "134%" of "new votes" - over 2008 - in Cobb County went to Obama. That's certainly not distributed close to the distribution of the final result.

Now let's look at the 2020, 2016, and 2012 elections as a whole. I show 3,153 county equivalents - counties plus parishes, burroughs, etc. - in 2020. I show 3,101 continuous county equivalents from 2008-2016. Here are the County equivalent instances, and percentage of all counties, of Rgrachek's_NewVoteShare "new votes" >90% in favor of one candidate:

DemGOPDem%GOP%
2020​
319​
1094​
10.25%​
35.14%​
2016​
952​
1522​
30.58%​
48.89%​
2012​
1333​
599​
42.82%​
19.24%​
 

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You can't just say stuff ^^^ and proclaim what I say isn't true just to serve your purpose. Cobb County Georgia. Trump had a normal amount of increased voting for our population growth, Biden well, did not.

Cobb County voters trend conservative and that still showed in the most of the down ballot, but for some reason, they voted for Biden by 13 points. Republican Tom Price won our congressional seat 62-38 in 2016, but in 2020, the democrat won by 5 points, a 29 point swing going from a medical doctor to a flight attendant. Our county demographics have not changed like that in 4 years.

First, tell me what math is wrong dipshit. Second, tell me with a straight face that Biden would have won without unlimited and unchecked absentee voting.

20162020Delta
Clinton then Biden163,01449.78%223,13456.67%60,12090.75%
Trump/Libertarian164,48550.22%170,61243.33%6,1279.25%

Does this demonstrate to you yet why your formula is flawed:

2012​
2016​
Delta
Obama then Clinton
133124​
42.86%​
160,121​
47.93%​
26,997​
114.97%​
Romney then Trump/Libertarian
171464​
55.21%​
167,378​
50.10%​
-4,086​
-17.40%​

To avoid confusion, I used official numbers: [1], [2]
 
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I don't know where you're getting this or why you're sticking to it, we've been through your formula, you've confirmed my interpretation of your formula, it's been shown a flawed metric.

According to your formula in 2016 "154%" of "new votes" - over 2012 - in Cobb County went to Clinton. In 2012 "134%" of "new votes" - over 2008 - in Cobb County went to Obama. That's certainly not distributed close to the distribution of the final result.

Now let's look at the 2020, 2016, and 2012 elections as a whole. I show 3,153 county equivalents - counties plus parishes, burroughs, etc. - in 2020. I show 3,101 continuous county equivalents from 2008-2016. Here are the County equivalent instances, and percentage of all counties, of Rgrachek's_NewVoteShare "new votes" >90% in favor of one candidate:

DemGOPDem%GOP%
2020​
319​
1094​
10.25%​
35.14%​
2016​
952​
1522​
30.58%​
48.89%​
2012​
1333​
599​
42.82%​
19.24%​

You're digging where there ain't no potatoes my friend.

I'm sure you've read enough of that posters submissions to know that the response will just extend your ride on the trolley and take you deeper into the Land of Make Believe where you may be able to have just as productive of a conversation with King Friday.
 
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I don't know where you're getting this or why you're sticking to it, we've been through your formula, you've confirmed my interpretation of your formula, it's been shown a flawed metric.

According to your formula in 2016 "154%" of "new votes" - over 2012 - in Cobb County went to Clinton. In 2012 "134%" of "new votes" - over 2008 - in Cobb County went to Obama. That's certainly not distributed close to the distribution of the final result.

Now let's look at the 2020, 2016, and 2012 elections as a whole. I show 3,153 county equivalents - counties plus parishes, burroughs, etc. - in 2020. I show 3,101 continuous county equivalents from 2008-2016. Here are the County equivalent instances, and percentage of all counties, of Rgrachek's_NewVoteShare "new votes" >90% in favor of one candidate:

DemGOPDem%GOP%
2020​
319​
1094​
10.25%​
35.14%​
2016​
952​
1522​
30.58%​
48.89%​
2012​
1333​
599​
42.82%​
19.24%​
We're all dumber now for reading that. It makes no sense at all and you know it's just gaslighting bullshit. How do you get 154% of new voters? If there were 1,000 new voters, did Hillary get 1,540?
 

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You're digging where there ain't no potatoes my friend.

I'm sure you've read enough of that posters submissions to know that the response will just extend your ride on the trolley and take you deeper into the Land of Make Believe where you may be able to have just as productive of a conversation with King Friday.
Damn you Libs are dumb.
 

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Pimping NBC news as a legit news source. That’s adorable.
Why are Trumpers the dumbest of the dumb and refuse to do basic research before calling shit fake news?


 

zar45

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We're all dumber now for reading that. It makes no sense at all and you know it's just gaslighting bullshit. How do you get 154% of new voters? If there were 1,000 new voters, did Hillary get 1,540?

You realize I'm using the formula you proposed, that I repeated back to you, and that you confirmed in the linked posts, right?

This is your formula's output and your "labels". You are interpreting your own formula's output incorrectly, as also demonstrated here:

 

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You can't just say stuff ^^^ and proclaim what I say isn't true just to serve your purpose. Cobb County Georgia. Trump had a normal amount of increased voting for our population growth, Biden well, did not.

Cobb County voters trend conservative and that still showed in the most of the down ballot, but for some reason, they voted for Biden by 13 points. Republican Tom Price won our congressional seat 62-38 in 2016, but in 2020, the democrat won by 5 points, a 29 point swing going from a medical doctor to a flight attendant. Our county demographics have not changed like that in 4 years.

First, tell me what math is wrong dipshit. Second, tell me with a straight face that Biden would have won without unlimited and unchecked absentee voting.

20162020Delta
Clinton then Biden163,01449.78%223,13456.67%60,12090.75%
Trump/Libertarian164,48550.22%170,61243.33%6,1279.25%

So your contention is...what exactly? Fake people voted? Dems hacked the votes of people who didn't vote and voted for them?
 
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For the 20th time, for example, in all of the "new" votes in 2020 above 2016 in my county in Georgia (a large one), Biden got 90% of these votes. In all past elections, the increase in votes from one election to the next has been distributed close to the distribution of the final result. It's pretty clear that a bunch of Biden votes in bulk was thrown into the mix.

This happened in all of these contested states, and these votes mostly came in late with the same pattern.
They didn't come in late, the GOP led governments wouldn't allow them to count ballots before the 4th so they appear "late"

You see the drastically different turn out as you had the most hated president of my life time, He was hated more than even Hilary.

This led to the orange goo getting demolished by a Senile dementia patient who was "the worse candidate ever" 🤣
 
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You can't just say stuff ^^^ and proclaim what I say isn't true just to serve your purpose. Cobb County Georgia. Trump had a normal amount of increased voting for our population growth, Biden well, did not.

Cobb County voters trend conservative and that still showed in the most of the down ballot, but for some reason, they voted for Biden by 13 points. Republican Tom Price won our congressional seat 62-38 in 2016, but in 2020, the democrat won by 5 points, a 29 point swing going from a medical doctor to a flight attendant. Our county demographics have not changed like that in 4 years.

First, tell me what math is wrong dipshit. Second, tell me with a straight face that Biden would have won without unlimited and unchecked absentee voting.

20162020Delta
Clinton then Biden163,01449.78%223,13456.67%60,12090.75%
Trump/Libertarian164,48550.22%170,61243.33%6,1279.25%
Adding Trump and libertarian together is statistically dishonest 🤷‍♂ you need 3 rows bro
 
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Adding Trump and libertarian together is statistically dishonest 🤷‍♂ you need 3 rows bro
It's ignorant:
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I know 100X what you will ever be capable of knowing about this stuff. Point to all of the court cases you want, but the flux of absentee ballots filled out by "helpers" and turned in late was what turned this election.

You can call me any name in the book, but what happened here was obvious to anyone with 1/2 a wit. Just keep writing about court cases and fictional people, as if that was ever a point and keep wallowing in your own biased crap.

What does talking about the constitution have to do with anything here? The constitution does not call for unlimited, no questions asked, absentee ballots and no voter ID, the central tenant of how you guys steal elections.

It's NEVER going to happen again you freaking thieves!
So, you live in Georgia? You realize that you have a hard core Republican Secretary of State, who certified the election? There were multiple recounts. No credible cases of fraud.

You're delusional man.

WIth the huge get out the vote effort by Democrats, you don't think it's possible that they, well, actually got out the vote?
 

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We're all dumber now for reading that. It makes no sense at all and you know it's just gaslighting bullshit. How do you get 154% of new voters? If there were 1,000 new voters, did Hillary get 1,540?

You're not calculating what you think you're calculating. According to your formula, a county with a [2020_turnout] equal to [2016_turnout]+1 that had 1 new democratic voter and 1 swing voter to Democrat, would show the Democrats winning 200% of "new voters".

According to your formula, a county with a [2020_turnout] equal to [2016_turnout]+1 that had 2 new democratic voters and 1 2016 Republican voter pass away, would show the Democrats winning 200% of "new voters".
 
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You're not calculating what you think you're calculating. According to your formula, a county with a [2020_turnout] equal to [2016_turnout]+1 that had 1 new democratic voter and 1 swing voter to Democrat, would show the Democrats winning 200% of "new voters".

According to your formula, a county with a [2020_turnout] equal to [2016_turnout]+1 that had 2 new democratic voters and 1 2016 Republican voter pass away, would show the Democrats winning 200% of "new voters".
Dude,

All I did was look at the vote count in 2016 for the 2 sides and added the 2 together. Then I did the same for 2020. Approximately 327,499 people voted for President in 2016, 393,746 in 2020 (There were 66,247 more votes for President in 2020 than in 2016 and the democrats got 60,120 of them, over 90%). Also, 80% of the new voters voted absentee.

Sure, there may have been some people who changed their vote from 2016 to 2020, but not in mass here in Cobb County. What you are saying is that in 2020, about 15% of the population decided to change their political world view from conservative, low tax, strong defense, etc. to this progressive shit show. What you are saying is that this county legitimately converted from a 2016 election of their congressman by 23 points to electing a progressive incompetent dolt by 5 points in 4 years.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about otherwise with my "formula". It's an empirical assessment, not a formula.

The democrat establishment harvested absentee ballots. Do you ever ask yourself why democrats spend so much time bashing voter ID and not sending out millions of ballots to everyone? You now the answer. Republicans don't let other people vote for them. Democrats do. This gaslighting shit is too old.
 

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Dude,

All I did was look at the vote count in 2016 for the 2 sides and added the 2 together. Then I did the same for 2020. Approximately 327,499 people voted for President in 2016, 393,746 in 2020 (There were 66,247 more votes for President in 2020 than in 2016 and the democrats got 60,120 of them, over 90%). Also, 80% of the new voters voted absentee.

Sure, there may have been some people who changed their vote from 2016 to 2020, but not in mass here in Cobb County. What you are saying is that in 2020, about 15% of the population decided to change their political world view from conservative, low tax, strong defense, etc. to this progressive shit show. What you are saying is that this county legitimately converted from a 2016 election of their congressman by 23 points to electing a progressive incompetent dolt by 5 points in 4 years.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about otherwise with my "formula". It's an empirical assessment, not a formula.

The democrat establishment harvested absentee ballots. This gaslighting shit is too old.

I know how you're getting your numbers, I've reverse engineered your "formula" or "empirical assessment" several times:
Cobb County grew ~5% from 2016 to 2020. You're calculating Biden's share of new votes as (Biden_Votes_2020 - Hillary_Votes_2016)/(Total_Votes_2020 - Total_Votes_2016) = Rgrachek's_Biden2020_NewVoteShare. You've previously alluded to this result being strange because far exceeds Hillary_Voteshare_2016. In Cobb County, Rgrachek's_Biden2020_NewVoteShare : Hillary_Voteshare_2016 is 83:51 or a coefficient of 1.62. So anything greater 1.62 is strange and evidence of fraud.

Miami Dade County grew by ~1% from 2016 to 2020. In Miami Dade County, Trump_Voteshare_2016 = 35%, while Rgrachek's_Trump2020_NewVoteShare = 103%, Rgrachek's_Trump2020_NewVoteShare : Trump_Voteshare_2016 = 103:35 or a coefficient of 2.94. This must be very strange and even greater evidence of fraud on Trump's behalf.

No offense, but what the hell is this stupid shit ^^^^.

In 2016 in Cobb Miami Dade County:

Clinton 160,121 624,146
Trump + Libertarian 167,378 347,218

In 2020 in Cobb Miami Dade County:

Biden 221,846 617,864
Trump + Libertarian 171,900 532,833

Difference:

Clinton/Biden +61,725 -6,282
Trump + Libertarian +4,522 +185,615

You have to assume that a person voting for a Libertarian would almost never vote for a Harris/Biden ticket. Although I granted you this premise, it's false: In 2016, 25% of Gary Johnson voters said they would have voted Hillary while 15% said they'd vote for Trump.

Total Votes:

2016 327,499 970,563
2020 393,746 1,150,697

20.2% 18.6% increase in vote vs. 2016 - I'll assume your 5% growth number is correct. On Miami Dade's 1% population growth

There were 66,247 180,134 more votes than in 2016. But of those 66,247 180,134 extra votes, over 93% 103% (very strange indeed, the way you worded this) went to Trump Biden!

Sure, there may have been some from 2016 change their vote one way or another, but probably not that many. The polls in Cobb Miami Dade County had Trump running about 2-3 20 points behind Biden throughout the campaign.

You're telling me that the campaign, who hid in the basement all fall, who openly promoted riots in the streets and socialism Trump beat the campaign that was having rallies with tens of thousands of people and was promoting freedom and liberty Biden 93-7 103-(-3???) with new voters, while at the same time a republican legislature was elected again in Georgia Trump lost 0.5pp margin of victory in Florida sans Miami-Dade?!!

I even analyzed every county equivalent in the last three elections using your "formula" or "empirical assessment", showing that your "impossible vote distribution" is actually normal.

I don't know where you're getting this or why you're sticking to it, we've been through your formula, you've confirmed my interpretation of your formula, it's been shown a flawed metric.

According to your formula in 2016 "154%" of "new votes" - over 2012 - in Cobb County went to Clinton. In 2012 "134%" of "new votes" - over 2008 - in Cobb County went to Obama. That's certainly not distributed close to the distribution of the final result.

Now let's look at the 2020, 2016, and 2012 elections as a whole. I show 3,153 county equivalents - counties plus parishes, burroughs, etc. - in 2020. I show 3,101 continuous county equivalents from 2008-2016. Here are the County equivalent instances, and percentage of all counties, of Rgrachek's_NewVoteShare "new votes" >90% in favor of one candidate:

DemGOPDem%GOP%
2020​
319​
1094​
10.25%​
35.14%​
2016​
952​
1522​
30.58%​
48.89%​
2012​
1333​
599​
42.82%​
19.24%​

I even specified Cobb County's last election, using official numbers, with an outcome that you claim is "impossible".

Does this demonstrate to you yet why your formula is flawed:

2012​
2016​
Delta
Obama then Clinton
133124​
42.86%​
160,121​
47.93%​
26,997​
114.97%​
Romney then Trump/Libertarian
171464​
55.21%​
167,378​
50.10%​
-4,086​
-17.40%​

To avoid confusion, I used official numbers: [1], [2]


You fail to grasp that the majority of Americans do not fit into the Republican or Democrat worldview you ascribe to them. Many of them have complex worldviews that cut across all sorts of ideologies. Many of them have poorly thought out worldviews and/or don't care to think about it too much at all. Many of them vote based solely on visceral reactions. It's an average of cerebral, emotional, social, etc. decisions that are what they've always been: not intentional, wild swings from fascist to communist ideologies; but the will of The People, on average, in the myriad of ways they make their decisions.
 

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Dude,

All I did was look at the vote count in 2016 for the 2 sides and added the 2 together. Then I did the same for 2020. Approximately 327,499 people voted for President in 2016, 393,746 in 2020 (There were 66,247 more votes for President in 2020 than in 2016 and the democrats got 60,120 of them, over 90%). Also, 80% of the new voters voted absentee.

Sure, there may have been some people who changed their vote from 2016 to 2020, but not in mass here in Cobb County. What you are saying is that in 2020, about 15% of the population decided to change their political world view from conservative, low tax, strong defense, etc. to this progressive shit show. What you are saying is that this county legitimately converted from a 2016 election of their congressman by 23 points to electing a progressive incompetent dolt by 5 points in 4 years.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about otherwise with my "formula". It's an empirical assessment, not a formula.

The democrat establishment harvested absentee ballots. Do you ever ask yourself why democrats spend so much time bashing voter ID and not sending out millions of ballots to everyone? You now the answer. Republicans don't let other people vote for them. Democrats do. This gaslighting shit is too old.

You're getting closer, but still not quite there. One major flaw in your logic, we have no idea how these 66K "new voters" voted. Right off the bat, your claim that Biden got 90% of these "new votes" is incorrect. In fact, your 90% value really isn't measuring anything at all. What we can say for certain (based off your table) is that Biden got ~60K more votes than Hillary, and Trump got ~7K more votes than he did in 2016.

Instead. A better assumption would be the "new votes" were split 50/50 between Trump and Biden. That would mean that ~7-8% of folks that voted for Trump in 2016 switched and voted for Biden in 2020. Do you think that seems plausible? That 1 in 10 people were turned off by how Trump worked for 4 years and instead went with a fairly conservative democrat.

Also, something that contains addition, subtraction, and division is, by definition, a formula.
 

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Adding Trump and libertarian together is statistically dishonest 🤷‍♂ you need 3 rows bro

I think you can add Trump supporters and Libertarians together and label the group: “Non-thinking.”
 

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Would agree. I dont know many libertarians that would be OK with the insurrection party.
I’m libertarian and would live to see DC torn to the f’ing ground. If there’s a place that needs rioters to light shit on fire, it’s there.
 

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I know how you're getting your numbers, I've reverse engineered your "formula" or "empirical assessment" several times:




I even analyzed every county equivalent in the last three elections using your "formula" or "empirical assessment", showing that your "impossible vote distribution" is actually normal.



I even specified Cobb County's last election, using official numbers, with an outcome that you claim is "impossible".




You fail to grasp that the majority of Americans do not fit into the Republican or Democrat worldview you ascribe to them. Many of them have complex worldviews that cut across all sorts of ideologies. Many of them have poorly thought out worldviews and/or don't care to think about it too much at all. Many of them vote based solely on visceral reactions. It's an average of cerebral, emotional, social, etc. decisions that are what they've always been: not intentional, wild swings from fascist to communist ideologies; but the will of The People, on average, in the myriad of ways they make their decisions.

You're getting closer, but still not quite there. One major flaw in your logic, we have no idea how these 66K "new voters" voted. Right off the bat, your claim that Biden got 90% of these "new votes" is incorrect. In fact, your 90% value really isn't measuring anything at all. What we can say for certain (based off your table) is that Biden got ~60K more votes than Hillary, and Trump got ~7K more votes than he did in 2016.

Instead. A better assumption would be the "new votes" were split 50/50 between Trump and Biden. That would mean that ~7-8% of folks that voted for Trump in 2016 switched and voted for Biden in 2020. Do you think that seems plausible? That 1 in 10 people were turned off by how Trump worked for 4 years and instead went with a fairly conservative democrat.

Also, something that contains addition, subtraction, and division is, by definition, a formula.
I admire the efforts but @rgrachek is either incapable of understanding basic math or willfully ignorant or even just flat out dishonest.

We have literally explained this to him a dozen times and yet he still keeps claiming that 80% of new voters are Biden which is just patently dumb
 

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Sounds like you changed parties to me.
Libertarian = make the Federal Gov’t what it was intended to be. Three things... 1) border defense (epic fail.) 2) system of courts to settle disputes (1000x too many lawyers, abysmal fail). 3) protection of property rights (see how far Woke culture goes, not optimistic)
The federal government has failed and we need to organize to change it. F Trump. We can do better, but Washington is beyond repair, as-is. Whatever it takes.
 

nelsonj22

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Libertarian = make the Federal Gov’t what it was intended to be. Three things... 1) border defense (epic fail.) 2) system of courts to settle disputes (1000x too many lawyers, abysmal fail). 3) protection of property rights (see how far Woke culture goes, not optimistic)
The federal government has failed and we need to organize to change it. F Trump. We can do better, but Washington is beyond repair, as-is. Whatever it takes.
Your forgot the biggest one 4) Protect the constitutional rights of American citizens from fvcked up state govt.

See civil war
 

zar45

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Libertarian = make the Federal Gov’t what it was intended to be. Three things... 1) border defense (epic fail.) 2) system of courts to settle disputes (1000x too many lawyers, abysmal fail). 3) protection of property rights (see how far Woke culture goes, not optimistic)
The federal government has failed and we need to organize to change it. F Trump. We can do better, but Washington is beyond repair, as-is. Whatever it takes.

1) Directly from the 2020 Libertarian Party platform:

"3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders."

2) Aren't lawyers necessary to a system of courts to settle disputes?
 

zar45

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I admire the efforts but @rgrachek is either incapable of understanding basic math or willfully ignorant or even just flat out dishonest.

We have literally explained this to him a dozen times and yet he still keeps claiming that 80% of new voters are Biden which is just patently dumb

Partisanship's a helluva drug. From one Professional Engineer to another (with an MBA(?) no less), I'm confident he's capable of understanding the flaws in his math, he just either refuses to give it a moment's thought or knows he's wrong but defending his brainchild to the death.