TWs defense was almost a mirror of our offense. We did great moving the ball between the 20s a lot of the time, but could not put the ball in the endzone. Or hell, even make a field goal. His defense did great a lot of the game, but always wilted when it mattered most. Its been since the Pelini/Wisconsin debacles that I have been that annoyed watching an NU defense let teams carve them up. Im also glad he is gone. Everyone is replaceable.
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I understand the feeling, but good luck with that. This is college football now. There are no coaches who just "want to be here." I would prefer that White had stayed, but this panic over him leaving is stupid.
White's 3 3 5 defense turned out to be exactly what we heard it could be: great at run- stuffing but vulnerable to big plays.
Maybe he could do better with better DBs but the scheme was exposed with repeated passes underneath and and bombs.
Maybe he could do better with better DBs but the scheme was exposed with repeated passes underneath and and bombs.
As Jay Moore pointed out yesterday, if you have the dudes, any of the common defenses can be effective. Dudes and coordinator.
This is really the key. Think of Pelini when he had a DT like Suh, Crick or Glen that can control the middle. It let him do exactly what he wanted to do in other areas and if you had dudes like Gomes and Prince that could hide mediocre LB's it all worked well. Lose dudes at any level and it all goes downhill. At the end of the day you get fired usually because of lack of dudes, not the scheme.
it’s why I said one of the questions we need to ask any DLine candidate is “who can you bring with you?” RVP I think will be good but we need another grown man inside.
The run D was supercharged by the presence of Ty and Nash, two men who are very athletic for their large size.
Their departure could be another reason for White taking off.
I agree, he knew there was a potential for a step back. He gets credited for the #'s the D put up but not the Ls. Can go turn around FSU and be the hottest HC candidate name next off season.
Jeudy played a bit his first year, then was rotational this year. He'll either start or play a lot next year. It's not like Jeudy is some kind of Mosai Newsome clone. Jeudy and RVP give them two big men. Sua Lefotu was injured early and didn't play much. Would think he becomes a rotational player. Tagaloa needs a bit more weight to play inside. They need a couple of guys from the portal, but interior D linemen are hard to find.
I have it on good authority that White wasn't coming back regardless, not his choice. That would jive with him going to a place that didn't have that great of potential job security.
I suppose this is an example of shit we want to know about, but probably should not.
That is interesting. If true maybe that is why defensive recruits have commented about staying committed. Maybe they know who the new DC will be and just has not been announced yet.
I didn't mind TW but I think running a 4-3 or 3-4 fits us better for the kids we can recruit somewhat locally.
If it was because Rhule was unhappy with White’s scheme, that’s on Rhule for hiring him in the first place.
At present, there are more DE/Jack type players than DL type players. NU needs more interior linemen on the defensive line regardless of whether they run a 3 or 4 player front. They have the DEs to play a 4-3.
Maybe, but it could just be they chose Nebraska and not solely for White.
Yes, everything is on Rhule. How many more times can it be said? Apparently one more. Some of you guys are like the toxic girlfriend that can't move on but only wants to argue about the past.
If Rhule decided to move on from a mostly successful TW because he decided the scheme wasn't working great against good teams - good for him. That's a pretty ballsy move. Rhule has made a lot of mistakes and it appears he's willing to change course to take the next step. We've had some douchebag coaches that couldn't move on from a mistake no matter how obvious it was.
Well, that's one way to look at it. But yes, everything is on Rhule as the head coach and the person who hired the assistant coaches.
My understanding is that it wasn't about scheme, more about adjustments both lack of and inability to make correct ones. Games against Indiana, UCLA, USC and to an extent Wisconsin with 5th and 6th year guys also didn't help.
Thanks. That makes more sense. Probably could add Illinois to that list.
Also the Illinois game where they ran the same play concept and we never switched it up.
Of course it is on Rhule for hiring White, but also credit for making a change if it wasn't working out. There are tons of relationships that look like they are working from the outside only to find out things aren't as they appear. Also when you hire someone you always think it is going to work out. Sometimes you're wrong.
UCLA was the real head scratcher. They held onto the ball for almost all the first half. And they were not an offensive juggernaut by any means.
Multiple tweets from defensive recruits last night (Jones, VerMaas, and Dawson) acting excited, so it seems they do know.
Van Poppel has done nothing but impress every time he's on the field. A 3* steal.
I'd have him as a OLB. I think hes fast. Don't know how he is in coverage but I like his pass rush as a blitzer
Yeah, kid is going to be a absolute stud. He was a hell of a player as a big time pup last year.
You are one of my favorites on the board. Truly.
I disagree here though.
Was he perfect? No, but he was overall a great defensive coordinator. I was looking forward to having him with Holgorsen for next year.
Having him leave laterally for a struggling program is a kick in the nuts. Don’t spin it.
Mostly positive. But that Indiana game plan was about as bad as you could possibly do.
Other programs wanted him? Obviously 2-10 FSU did. But unless they quickly flip the script their HC will be gone. Of course I realize Tony is trying to best position himself for a HC job. Who knows, he might get one during this offseason.
The days of Nebraska having long-time assistants like we had under TO are long gone. Most of these dudes are constantly on the move and Tony White certainly has wandered around since leaving San Diego State — four coordinator jobs in the last five years.
The talk about White leaving started almost immediately after he got here. Enough is enough already. Time to turn the page.
Now that I have had 24 hours to digest, I agree totally. For all the reasons people mention on this thread. Most galling to me was no pass rush and breaking down when needed the most starting with game 1 against Minnesota last year when we lost on a long bomb at the end of the 4th Q. One other thing was 16 turnovers gained. Not bad, middle of the pack, but really good defenses had more than 20.
Very hard to find a legit NT. I think it's easier to find 2 4-3 DT's then 1 good NT and a good edge. Nebraska and the surrounding area has a lot of TE/DE body types. Those kids aren't going to get to 290 but they can certainly get to 260 to play 4-3 DE.
Best way to put it: with the 3 3 5 you needed to find a good NT, Edge, and rover. Way harder IMO to find that combination. I would think it would be way easier to plug and play portal guys from a 4-3.
I don't disagree on the 4-3...but I did see Wisconsin wreck havoc for a decade in a 3-4.
I'm not glad he's gone and his defense was the best we've had over a 2-season stretch in a long time. That said, he was always destined to leave (we assumed for an HC position) and most people thought it could be as early as this off-season. We can move on now.
3-4 works fine, but you need elite lineman which they had
Wisconsin has a lot of fat people too. Kind of like the south. Easier recruiting.
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