What is Frost recruiting blueprint? Is it recruiting the 2-3 star type players and coaching them up thinking they might turn out to be a good player or recruiting the top 100 or 200 players 4 & 5 star players with good talent across the country to come here? Knowing the recruiting landscape has changed, we'll see how he does and tries to get players that Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, and etc gets every year.
Frost Recruiting Blueprint?
- Thread starter starhusker
- Start date
If his blueprint is to focus on recruiting 2-3 star-type players and coaching them up (which makes sense), then we won't see how he does and tries to get players that Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and etc gets every year, because they only recruit the 4 & 5 star players, so Frost should be good.
He should recruit 4 and 5 star players and coach them up imho fwiw lmao.
He'll coach up whatever the staff can recruit. When we start winning more, the recruiting services will take notice and bump the kids we're recruiting up to 4* status.
Winning games and playing for championships make getting 4-5* players easier to get.
I think hes made it clear they are looking for young men with charachter, leaders, that are coachable that fit their system in all 3 phases of the game and dont really care about star rankings or where they are from. He is looking at walkons to earn schollies that anyone willing to come in and put the work in is welcome
I think they are absolutely going after the best talent for their system. That isn't always the prototypical 5 star kids that fit in all the prostyle systems, but often is. Tweeners and "ATH" at the skill positions that often don't get ranked quite as high because they don't have a natural position in a prostyle offense fit great in this system. Guys like Miles Jones, JD Spielman and Jamie Nance. Same thing on defense at DE and OLB. At some positions like ILB and OL, they are after those prototype guys. And I don't think they are afraid to go head to head with the big dogs to get them.
Recruiting and developing players isn't an either or, to win big you MUST do both and this staff gets that. They also know how to say what the fans want to hear and what the kids need to hear.
Recruiting and developing players isn't an either or, to win big you MUST do both and this staff gets that. They also know how to say what the fans want to hear and what the kids need to hear.
Last edited:
After this year's mediocre season, people will already start to question his recruiting blueprint, and frustrations will grow and grow in the off season while Nebraskans have nothing else to think about except how farming and ranching will survive the trade wars.
That sounds good and is true to a degree (character matters, best players will play). But make no mistake, they are busting their humps to get big time talent. Frost didn't fly the red eye after UCF's Bowl Game to see Adrian Martinez because he is a good babysitter. Held hasn't been to every corner of the US recruiting for fun. They know what they want and they recruit hard.
Of the 2018 signees and 2019 commits, 59% are high 3*-4* (5.7 and above). It would seem that Frost is recruited the best kids he can for his system.
Signed for 2018 and committed so far in 2019
4*-12
5.9-1
5.8-11
3*-24
5.7-11
5.6-4
5.5-9
2*-1
5.4-1
NR-2
Signed for 2018 and committed so far in 2019
4*-12
5.9-1
5.8-11
3*-24
5.7-11
5.6-4
5.5-9
2*-1
5.4-1
NR-2
I think its a combination of having the tools to be successful in the scheme, a little bit of "upside," some intangibles like work ethic and potential for development, as well as overall skill (as measured by the star ranking system.) I think, smartly, right now he's just looking for basic skill sets and desire to work. Later, as the team gets more successful, it will be easier to recruit in the highly ranked recruits, though I would say that for Frosts's scheme (spread option speed attack with tons of variation in play calling, for lack of a better term), you don't always need 4 and 5 star players to run it effectively, though it sure helps.
He’s going after the best kids he can get for his system. This year on rivals yes it shows 3 4 Stars and number of higher 3 star players. There’s only a couple low 3 star and one 2 star player. On ESPN and 24/7 there a 2-3 kids that rivals has 3 Stars ranked as 4 Stars and two of them in ESPNs top 300 (rivals version of top 250). With that considered, we have like 6 4 star players, all the rest 3 Stars. I don’t consider our one 2 star a true two star because he’s a 3 star on all the other recruiting services. Yes I take into count of all the recruiting services when I look at our overal recruiting levels.
Our current 4 star players.
Rahmer Johnson 4 Star RB
Desmond Bland 4 star OL
Jackson Hannah 4 star LB
Luke McCaffery 4 Stars QB
Nick Henrichs 4 star LB
Ronald Thompkins 4 star RB.
For those that want to or don’t know.
Rahmer Johnson 4 Star RB
Desmond Bland 4 star OL
Jackson Hannah 4 star LB
Luke McCaffery 4 Stars QB
Nick Henrichs 4 star LB
Ronald Thompkins 4 star RB.
For those that want to or don’t know.
Frost is using the same blueprint Osborne used. Find players that fit his system and will fit in Lincoln! They use their own rating system. To Frost and his crew what Rivals or whoever rate them does not really matter.
Right now, going off 247's rankings, NU is #6 in the B1G for average recruit rating behind OSU, UM, PSU, MSU, and UW. That has to improve if they want to get out of the middle of the West Division, let alone hoist the trophy.
There are a couple guys I suspect get bumped up to 4* over the course of their senior year. I'd really like to see them take another QB this class. Especially because if Martinez ends up starting by the end of the year, you have to figure Gebbia transfers. IF. I'm still putting my chips on Gebbia to start.
McCaffrey has that Bobby Newcombe feel to me, where he's too much of a problem with his legs to let him ride pine and develop his passing. You gotta get a kid like that on the field. He does a bunch of things well and passing is probably last on that list.
Modeling our program recruiting wise to what he and Chip did at Oregon seems like the easiest path. Take 2-3 Star prospects that are fast and work in the system, have success, higher level prospects will take notice. I mean Oregon is still recruiting at a high success and the people that made that program have all left.
Also, having a particular niche would help as wel, Oregon did it with uniforms but something that separates up from others is nice.
Also, having a particular niche would help as wel, Oregon did it with uniforms but something that separates up from others is nice.
But Frost is taking 3-4* guys. Are you saying he should take things down a notch?
How many 4-5 star guys were on the UCF team last year? Seems they did OK against “higher level” competition.
My opinion: if it gets to year 3 and you dont see improvements in performance and effort, worry about stars.
The fact is, Frost is the absolute best guy that NU could get. Period. I like what I see and what I hear. NU will be just fine.
My opinion: if it gets to year 3 and you dont see improvements in performance and effort, worry about stars.
The fact is, Frost is the absolute best guy that NU could get. Period. I like what I see and what I hear. NU will be just fine.
Tend to agree to a point. I think the recruiting actually fell off after Kelly left, but you saw improvement from when Belloti was the coach to where Kelly was the coach.
Oregon recruiting rankings while Frost was on the staff.
Disclaimer: these rankings are not an indication of how Frost will recruit to Nebraska, or that he was totally responsible for the recruiting at Oregon. These rankings are strictly from Rivals.
Kelly HC
2009 - 32nd 4 4stars - 4 of 26 4/5 star
2010- 13th 1 5 star, 10 4 stars - 11 of 24 4/5 star
2011 - 9th 2 5 stars, 9 4 stars - 11 of 23 4/5 star
2012 - 16th, 10 4 stars - 10 of 21 4/5 star
Helfrich HC
2013 - 22nd 1 5 star, 7 4 stars - 8 of 19 4/5 star
2014 - 26th 5 4 stars 5/21 4/5 star
2015 - 17th 8 4 stars - 8 of 22 4/5 star
*2016 - 25th 5 4 stars - 4 of 20 4/5 star
*even though Frost left for UCF in Dec 2015 3/4 of the class was already committed.
Edit - It was after the 2014 season that Oregon played Ohio St for the title. I have adjusted the numbers accordingly
Oregon played in the national title games following the 2010 season and the 2014 season. But if you look at the talent that would have been on the 2014 team (2011-2014) classes, there were 36 4/5 star players, out of 84 recruits. Maybe it was all Helfrich's issues, but from 2014 to 2016, the year Frost left to go to UCF, that pct had dwindled from 43% to 32%, and the record in 2015 was 9-4.
I know @SoFL Husker it's just more stats and analytics, but it is certainly weird how they accurately show how a team performed.
Last edited:
From 2014-17, Rivals' UCF page has 5 4* players listed, with 22 3*s recruited in the past two years.
I don't see where anyone is doubting whether or not Frost is the right guy for the job.
UCF was 2-2 against P5 teams in 2016 and 2017. They split with Maryland, they lost to Michigan and beat Auburn. I am not necessarily downplaying the record against "higher level" competition. Just saying there isn't much of a sample size.
McCaffrey the little bit he's played QB thus far has completed over 70% of his passes with very few INTs/attempt. He is a ridiculously smart player. His dad was known as one of the brightest players in pro football when he played. McCaffrey is the perfect fit for what Frost looks for in a QB. He is probably my most wanted recruit in this entire class. He will be a difference maker IMO who could possibly get on the field early at a position other than QB. Great get.
Please..not even close
I agree... my point wasnt to say he doesnt recruit hard.. in fact just the opposite ..i believe he leaves no stone unturned and the entire staff works their tails off
I never said he wasn't smart. I'm happy to be proven wrong if he ends up being a great QB. So far from what I saw on his film, I like his running ability and his defense. His raw passing skills don't blow me away.
A lot of that also is that when he gets here, he could potentially be behind a a sophomore starter and a RS-Fr backup. To get him on the field as a true freshman, it probably wouldn't be at QB.
Last edited:
I believe ESPN has him as a 4-star - http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/221802/rahmir-johnson
Fair enough, I looked at the top 300 and figured that was where their 4 stars ended.
Only reason I knew was because I glanced at it a day or two ago. It's always interesting to see the differences in a player's rating between the three major services.
I guess you focus on the best players that are out there that fit the system. I had heard that he had done a pretty good job at UCF of getting guys that didn't get the offers from the big boys in the SEC and ACC. Can you do that at Nebraska, maybe, maybe not.
I hope this pans out pretty similar to what is happening at Washington with Petersen. He had a lot of success at Boise, especially beating P5 school and now has Washington flirting with what they were in the 90's. It can be done.
Last edited:
I wonder if Frost isn't taking a flyer of sorts this year in recruiting the top guys so he can focus more on development and coaching and fixing the culture this year. I think going into August and throughout much of the season their focus is going to be almost completely on instilling a winning attitude with the guys we already have on the roster. There will be no time for chasing around prima donnas for as much that needs to be fixed immediately. I think he's fine with this recruiting class in filling needs and taking guys he thinks he can develop into good football players.
Unfortunately not giving normal or more attention to recruiting would just lengthen the time to return to what we fans consider normal. Ten wins or more and competing for championships! It is like any new job. You have to spend extra time on everything the first couple of years until things are fit to you so you can then go to normal work schedules!
if SF starts crapping out low level recruiting classes like BP, I think people are going to have legit concerns. I can even recall people blaming BP for last years' performance.. ugh.. I don't care if SF is the pope.. he's gonna get rekt if he can't start pulling in some top classes to go along with his 'best of ' speeches.
Coach has not even coached a game yet and people are up in arms in recruiting. Let the coach do his thing. It's July months away from signing day. Win games and get recruits attention. It will all come together. Frost will have the big red machine humming again.
GBR
GBR
